Martial Law Exercises and the Death of Posse Comitatus

[killer]

Originally Posted by Seabeescotty

the first shots fired weren't fired by the troops.

Not following you. You say there were some in the Kent State crowd armed...and they fired the 1st shots or the students in effect fired the first shots with their actions?

I believe the site where the 4 students died was basically made into a parking lot a few years ago.

We don't have 1/10 of the amount of unrest yet in this nation that existed back then I don't think. It was actually a very cool period of time I always thought.

[SKS NOOB]

That would depend. From my experience, some talk big but wind up giving in when things get tough. ESPECIALLY when thinking of family. This kind of thing WILL have to have LOTS of available Americans to prevent the losing of our 2nd amendment rights. Not just a few die-hards and "gun nuts". All of us from all walks of life in order to represent the true opinions of America. So I ask you, do you have what it takes or take what you have and either cave in... or go psyco in the eyes of the "public"?

[GlockMeister]

The part I read that concerns me and has me 2nd guessing it all is the fact, they say it's for a pre-deployment exercise to give them (the marines in the exercise) as realistic a scenario/setting as possible. But the thing is, they already have those set up, one it says in Kuwait, where they can use live ammo, which is the preferred way to train. So why then do it here which makes me feel this is all a bunch of CRAP concealed in a burning paper bag.

This section/paragraph here is what I'm talking about.

"But the cover story has several obvious flaws, as the Marines have a multitude of facilities in which to experience “realistic scenarios.” To begin Camp Lejeune is home of MOUT Military Operations Urban Terrain or urban combat training village, modeled after an Iraqi town. Located in Kuwait is a high tech realistic urban MOUT training facility (watch video) covering 30 acres and costing taxpayers 15 million to build. The FBI in Quantico, VA has an extensive “Hogan’s Alley,” urban combat training center where the Marines could practice for pre – deployment and fire live ammunition."

Another thing I'd add. I truly believe the market, Hell, our economy is going to crash, and they, our Government knows this, and they're getting ready for what will happen because of same.


I posted about the FFL I use having been offered $200 bucks from a guy who wanted some SHTF information and guidance because his son works in D.C.. and walks in the halls with the guys who print our money and deal with our economy every day. I'm beginning to think this guys son, who told his father to convert about 10% of his assets, as I posted it then, was telling my FFL the truth. There are many signs pointing to this. It could be why this training is taking place, as they're getting ready for the affects of a market/economy crash.

I mean, why would the FBI/Homeland Security be involved with a group of Marines and their training for deployment into Iraq? And why, as I said above, would they train them in Indianapolis, when they have, as reported in the link in this post/thread, many other, more suitable spots to train, all of which they can also, as I said above, do so with live fire, which is the preferred method. Hell, that I've heard said while watching the military channel.

I think our Government knows its coming and they're keeping us in the dark for obvious reasons..

[Rave]

A lot of this could have been avoided by a bit of thoughful voteing in the past,now....

[Windwalker]

I like tooman and Scottys version of Kent State but unfortunately that was not the way I heard it. However what I heard was just hearsay also. Can anyone offer proof that the National Guard troops were fired upon first?

As for the current situation if the Country is under Martial Law there will be no elections and there will be a bunch of mad Democratics because they are not running the Government.

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Kent State was out and out murder if you ask me.

Wikipedia among others.

At this point, at 12:22 PM,[1] a number of guardsmen at the top of the hill abruptly turned and fired their M1 Garand rifles at the students. The guardsmen directed their fire not at the closest students, who were on the Taylor Hall veranda, but at those on the grass area and concrete walkway below the veranda, at those on the service road between the veranda and the parking lot, and at those in the parking lot.[improper synthesis?] Bullets were not sprayed in all directions, but instead were confined to a fairly limited line of fire leading from the top of the hill to the parking lot. Not all the soldiers who fired their weapons directed their fire into the students. Some soldiers fired into the ground while a few fired into the air. In all, 29 of the 77 guardsmen claimed to have fired their weapons. A total of 67 bullets were fired. The shooting was determined to have lasted only 13 seconds, although a New York Times reporter stated that "it appeared to go on, as a solid volley, for perhaps a full minute or a little longer." The question of why the shots were fired is widely debated.
The Adjutant General of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which itself remains a debated allegation. Many guardsmen later testified that they were in fear for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance of the wounded students. Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State". The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided the question of why the shootings happened and harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."
On May 1, 2007, various news agencies reported the claim of a former student who was injured in the shooting to have uncovered new evidence that the guardsmen were ordered to fire upon the crowd. Terry Strubbe, a student who lived in a dormitory overlooking the anti-war rally site, placed a microphone at a windowsill and recorded[15] nearly 30 minutes of the event on reel-to-reel tape. He sent a copy of the tape to the FBI and kept a copy in a safe deposit box. The government copy has been archived at Yale University. According to Alan Canfora, who was injured in the wrist that day by a gunshot, a voice can be heard on the tape yelling, "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!" before the 13-second volley of gunfire.[15] Canfora said he has obtained a copy of that tape and that he plans to release it on CD. He wants the government to reopen the investigation of the 37-year-old case.[16]
The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, were walking from one class to the next. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet (22 m) to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet (81 m) away.