Why Not Here?

GGReporter · 06-30-2008, 09:32 AM

It didn`t take many calls over the weekend to leave us with the impression that Mayor Bloomberg is mistaken in his assertion that the Supreme Court`s decision on the right to keep a gun is not going to have an impact on New York`s regulation of guns.

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GlockMeister · 06-30-2008, 11:09 PM

In reading the article, that the links eventually take you to, the article said something in regards to the state of New York's constitution. Well that got me to thinking just what does Illinois's constitution say about the right to bear arms?

Well it says pretty much the same thing, minus certain words, as the U.S. Constitutions 2nd Amendment. But what begins Section 22 it is what confuses me. Sorry to sound or seem stupid, but can someone explain what "subject only to the police power" portion of section 22 Right to Arms of Illinois's constitution means? I mean to be honest, I have some ideas or thoughts as to what it could mean or means, but I'm just not sure, so I'd like someone else's' opinion on it? Again what does what I put in red below exactly mean >>>

SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the
individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

Again, sorry to sound or seem stupid, but the way things get worded sometimes,
can sometimes have different meanings to different people.

troy2000 · 07-01-2008, 12:23 AM

Good article. For those who don't have the time to read the whole thing, or can't get the link to work, here's the tail end of it:

"There is no reason why the freedom vouchsafed by the Second Amendment and New York State's own civil rights law — and affirmed by the Supreme Court last week — can't be enjoyed by the people of our city. They are as law abiding, as adult, as responsible, as American as the citizens of any other city and state where this civil right is taken as a matter of course. Heller is an occasion for our leaders to start treating their constituents as such."

ArkansasHunter · 07-01-2008, 01:11 AM

That comma makes it 2 statement thus the people there do have the right to keep and bear arms ect.

Just like I said several times about the U.S. constitution that comma say's it all.
A.H

GlockMeister · 07-01-2008, 01:27 AM

But what is Subject only to the police power? That's what I don't get, police power? Since in Illinois, the FOID card is issued through them, is that what they mean by police power? That's as I said what confuses me or where I get confused, subject only to the police power. I mean, all I should care about is what it says after that comma, but hell, I wanna to know what subject only to the police power means? lol

troy2000 · 07-01-2008, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

But what is Subject only to the police power? That's what I don't get, police power? Since in Illinois, the FOID card is issued through them, is that what they mean by police power? That's as I said what confuses me or where I get confused, subject only to the police power. I mean, all I should care about is what it says after that comma, but hell, I wanna to know what subject only to the police power means? lol

According to a Wikipedia article, "Police power is the capacity of a state to regulate behaviours and enforce order within its territory, often framed in terms of public welfare, security, morality, and safety."

It's basically the normal and inherent powers a government has for keeping law and order and the peace, as opposed to what's specifically spelled out in a Constitution, Charter or whatever.

mym1a · 07-01-2008, 09:28 AM

as for NY this will be interesting as per state law, towns with a population of over 100,000 can pretty much create their own ordinances. in upstate NY pistol permits aren't as difficult to aquire nor is their a 3 year $300.00 fee. addendums cost $3.00 and ten dollars every 5 years for the nicsback ground check .

mym1a · 07-01-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

According to a Wikipedia article, "Police power is the capacity of a state to regulate behaviours and enforce order within its territory, often framed in terms of public welfare, security, morality, and safety."

It's basically the normal and inherent powers a government has for keeping law and order and the peace, as opposed to what's specifically spelled out in a Constitution, Charter or whatever.

and political correctness has pretty much rendered them inaffective!!!!!!!!!!

06-30-2008, 09:32 AM	#1
GGReporter Magazine Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 717	Why Not Here? It didn`t take many calls over the weekend to leave us with the impression that Mayor Bloomberg is mistaken in his assertion that the Supreme Court`s decision on the right to keep a gun is not going to have an impact on New York`s regulation of guns. More...

06-30-2008, 11:09 PM	#2
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,483	In reading the article, that the links eventually take you to, the article said something in regards to the state of New York's constitution. Well that got me to thinking just what does Illinois's constitution say about the right to bear arms? Well it says pretty much the same thing, minus certain words, as the U.S. Constitutions 2nd Amendment. But what begins Section 22 it is what confuses me. Sorry to sound or seem stupid, but can someone explain what "subject only to the police power" portion of section 22 Right to Arms of Illinois's constitution means? I mean to be honest, I have some ideas or thoughts as to what it could mean or means, but I'm just not sure, so I'd like someone else's' opinion on it? Again what does what I put in red below exactly mean >>> SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Source: Illinois Constitution.) Again, sorry to sound or seem stupid, but the way things get worded sometimes, can sometimes have different meanings to different people. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-01-2008, 12:23 AM	#3
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,459 Images: 9	Good article. For those who don't have the time to read the whole thing, or can't get the link to work, here's the tail end of it: "There is no reason why the freedom vouchsafed by the Second Amendment and New York State's own civil rights law — and affirmed by the Supreme Court last week — can't be enjoyed by the people of our city. They are as law abiding, as adult, as responsible, as American as the citizens of any other city and state where this civil right is taken as a matter of course. Heller is an occasion for our leaders to start treating their constituents as such." __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

07-01-2008, 01:27 AM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,483	But what is Subject only to the police power? That's what I don't get, police power? Since in Illinois, the FOID card is issued through them, is that what they mean by police power? That's as I said what confuses me or where I get confused, subject only to the police power. I mean, all I should care about is what it says after that comma, but hell, I wanna to know what subject only to the police power means? lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-01-2008, 01:11 AM	#4
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,705	That comma makes it 2 statement thus the people there do have the right to keep and bear arms ect. Just like I said several times about the U.S. constitution that comma say's it all. A.H

07-01-2008, 09:28 AM	#7
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	as for NY this will be interesting as per state law, towns with a population of over 100,000 can pretty much create their own ordinances. in upstate NY pistol permits aren't as difficult to aquire nor is their a 3 year $300.00 fee. addendums cost $3.00 and ten dollars every 5 years for the nicsback ground check .