Disney Blasted Over Gun Law `Exemption`

[Mike Franklin]

Here's the regular deal. An Employer will not let you have the means to defend yourself on company property. In return they have a low bid security guard. He/She has 40 hours training, less than most Concealed Carry Permits require. He/She was once actually shown a film on how pepper spray works. They are told repeatedly, when being trained, that they ARE NOT POLICE OFFICERS, they believe that they are. Most of the time they do not carry guns because the employer doesn't want people 'to get the wrong idea' about the business. Very many of them are not High School Grads, I meet many who can not read or write English. If the average Security Guard could make change they'd work at a Convenience Store but......
BTW, at the first attack on the Twin Towers the security guards didn't do a thing to stop the attack.
What do you expect for minimum wage protection?

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Why would anyone get booted out of the service for using drugs? After all they were just choosing what laws to obey or what laws they would not obey.

Isnt that exactly what Disney is doing? Choosing what laws they want to obey and those they dont?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Why would anyone get booted out of the service for using drugs? After all they were just choosing what laws to obey or what laws they would not obey.

Isnt that exactly what Disney is doing? Choosing what laws they want to obey and those they dont?

I believe that's the salient point: Disney's private property rights do not extend to flagrantly refusing to comply with the law as written, any more than I have the right to break a law just because I'm in my own home.

Originally Posted by HARDERTR

I'm with you Rambo. The Disney theme parks, to include THEIR parkinglot is private property.

This letter from the attorney representing the Grays is typical of something the NRA would back:
NRA-ILA :: Legislation

In a nutshell....the Grays KNEW they were violating company policy, and feel "zero tolerance" really means...."aw shucks, our rules don't have to apply to EVERYBODY."

I hate attorneys...and the NRA more and more everyday.

You know, if I live in California where "medicinal marijuana" is legal for headaches.... do you expect me to HAVE TO let someone roll one and smoke it at my kitchen table just becasue it's legal??

Hardertr, I seriously doubt anyone who's honestly using marijuana for medical purposes would even think of lighting up at your dinner table. They're more likely to be someone like my seventy-year-old neighbor. She smoked it in the privacy of her own home while she was undergoing chemotherapy, because it was the only thing that stopped her puking her guts out and let her keep food down. Until she started doing so she was wasting away to skin and bones, and it was her doctor who suggested the marijuana because nothing he gave her was working.

You might want to lighten up a bit; everyone who smokes medical marijuana isn't a stoned hippy with a legal cover for his habit...

[cma g21]

I'm just curious as to why those defending Disney's position believe the private property rights of an artificial person (corporation) to ban something from their parking lot, trump the private property rights of real persons to keep legal property locked in their private vehicles?

Also, this is not about carrying a gun on their property, it's about keeping one locked in a private vehicle (and even then only for CCW holders).

It wasn't written so employees could have a gun at work (where it's locked in the car), but to allow employees to have a means of protection when traveling to and from work.

The irony here is Disney's policy was one of the main catalysts for passing this law.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by cma g21

I'm just curious as to why those defending Disney's position believe the private property rights of an artificial person (corporation) to ban something from their parking lot, trump the private property rights of real persons to keep legal property locked in their private vehicles?
Also, this is not about carrying a gun on their property, it's about keeping one locked in a private vehicle (and even then only for CCW holders).
It wasn't written so employees could have a gun at work (where it's locked in the car), but to allow employees to have a means of protection when traveling to and from work.
The irony here is Disney's policy was one of the main catalysts for passing this law.

+1, and well-spoken.

[HARDERTR]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You might want to lighten up a bit; everyone who smokes medical marijuana isn't a stoned hippy with a legal cover for his habit...

(nothing to do with the main conversation....BUT, it might surprise you to know I am 100% FOR medicinal drugs (illicit or otherwise) that have a positive affect on diseases or chronic pain.) My example was a "headache" which is sufficient to get a piece of paper and head down to the local herb shop. Just relaying/employing information gained from a few people around me who are from California. One of which actually has a mother who smokes for the exact same reason you cite.


As far as the CCW versus securing a weapon in the car….. don’t you think the next logical step is to fight the system to get the gun out of the car? You leave your gun in the car, and it gets stolen, is that Disney’s fault? If the gun is simply NOT ALLOWED on the property, you stop the avalanche of “what if” planning that has to be done.

I do not carry, but I plan to get a permit as soon as I return to the States. I have noticed a few “gun free zone” signs already, and am sure I will be caught off-guard a few times until I figure out exactly WHO does not allow guns in their establishment. At that point, I have the choice to either leave my gun at home, or not go to that store/restaurant/park/etc… If I KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that guns were not allowed, I would leave it at home.

[TXplt]

HARDERTR--again, thank you for your service, sir.

FL will accept your gun cards and statement of service (available online from HHB/OSS) with no additional training required when you fill out their package. Many states have a break for veterans when applying for ccw.

The "Ghostbuster" signs or the "No firearms" signs in FL and TX don't carry any legal weight. There's no legal prohibition against carrying there save if you're found out, and then the only recourse is the property manager can ask you to leave. As long as you comply if you print (which shouldn't normally happen) there's no problem. Same as in TX--in TX the prohibit signs need to have a ".30-06" in them. You can look up the no carry zones on line as far as CCW--in the car it's all good.

Both FL and TX have an online documentation of "no carry" i.e. "shooting gallery" zones. PA is more sane than most.

Cheers, and welcome home when you get here

[Burke]

Originally Posted by troy2000

They're basically just telling the state of Florida to take its law and shove it. That's like the hillbilly whose neighbor asks if he can borrow a mule for the day, and he replies, "I reckon not, Clem, I ain't shaved today." The neighbor says, "okay, Jed, thanks anyhow," and leaves. Jed's wife lays into him and says, "old man, I never heard the like. What in tarnation does shaving have to do with lending out a mule?"

And Jed tells her, "weel, honeybunch, if you ain't a'gonna do somethin,' one excuse is as good as another..."

Ahh, Troy your wit is endless...I enjoyed that little diddy..