Fn 49

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-06-2003, 07:42 PM

Guys, I have come across an FN-49 in really good shape. I assume it is all matching but do not know. The dealer said he has to check the rifle out and figure out his price, but mentioned the tune of 400$ range. I doubt it will be this cheap but will probably jump on it for that price. He has aquired it as part of another dealer's collection, thus the delay in pricing.

Tell me what you know about them. It's cal is 7.92. How rare is that?

PAPA G · 10-06-2003, 10:39 PM

what i know??? is that they were exceptioanlly well built and robust rifle, all machined. which is what killed it, they had to compete in a postwar world, flooded with WWII leftovers.

they came in 7mm, 8mm, 7.65mm Mauser, and 30-06; Argentine converted theirs to 7.62 Nato.

my 7mm from Venezuala though a trifle banged up. is a marvel of the machinest art. if you can get it for about $400 thats one ringy-dingy price!!!

Gyrene · 10-14-2003, 12:13 AM

Phacopsrana - The FN-49 you mentioned is probably one built for the Egyptians in 7.92 x 57mm (8mm).

Search on FN-49, and you will find the best sources for details about the FN-49.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-14-2003, 10:32 AM

Doesn't the FN-49 use a similar tilting bolt locking system to the SKS and FAL?

Gyrene · 11-09-2003, 01:33 AM

BattleRifleG3 - You are correct in that the bolt system is a lot like the SKS, and since it is the Father of the FAL, it is definitely like the FAL.

I have seen it written that there is no way that the efforts of Saive which began in about the middle 1930's could have colaborated with Simonov in the bolt design, as the SKS was an early 1940's effort. I have seen that there was an earlier anti-tank weapon (I've read both German and Russian, and maybe they both had them) PTR that had the same bolt/bolt carrier design, several years before.

11-09-2003, 06:17 AM

Model 1949 FN Semiautomatic Rifle
Designed by Dieudonne Saive of Fabrique Nationale prior to WWII. Initial patents were filed in 1936. The FN 49 was not produced until after WWII.
Adopted by the Belgian Army in 1951 in 30.06
Here are some of the other countries that adopted the FN:
Luxembourg (30.06);
Venezuela (7mm Mauser);
Egypt (8mm Mauser);
Argentina (7.65 mm Argentine).

11-09-2003, 06:19 AM

interesting read here

http://www.mg0815.com/FALinfo.htm

DANA · 11-09-2003, 10:11 AM

BUY IT!!!!

BLUE BOOK
FN-49
7X57 MAUSER 8003 MFG FOR VENEZUELA
7.65 MM 5500 MFG FOR ARGENTINA
7.92MM OR 30/06 MFG 160000
ADD 10% FOR 30/06
ADD 100% FOR SNIPER VERSION
ADD 10% FOR SLOTTED RECIEVERS
ADD $650 FOR CORRECT SCOPE, RING, AND MOUNT
SUBTRACT 20% FOR RECENTLY ASSEMBLED EGYPTIAN PARTS MODELS

100% $700
98% $575
95% $450
90% $300
80% $250
70% $225
60% $175

I HAVE 10 FN-49'S
ONE CORRECT SCOPED
TWO 30/06
ALL ARE SLOTTED
SOME OF THEM ARE AT ABOUT 100% NOT EVEN A STOCK DING OR STAIN.

BUY BUY BUY

DANA

11-09-2003, 10:13 AM

Dana is one of my heros

BigJake · 11-10-2003, 10:15 PM

Gyrene,
You are right, although I do not read or converse in Russian or German, Siminov did invent an earlier example of the now known SKS action. It was named PTRS anti-tank rifle.
It shot a 14.5mm projectile at a little over 3000 fps. The common weight of the projectile was 994 gr.

Wish I could log one of those in as a C&R......

11-10-2003, 11:10 PM

It shot a 14.5mm projectile at a little over 3000 fps. The common weight of the projectile was 994 gr.

sounds like it had some serious kick..go ahead and try it first

NRAJOE · 11-10-2003, 11:50 PM

Have you seen these 49's at SOG?

http://www.southernohiogun.com/

PAPA G · 11-11-2003, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phacopsrana
Guys, I have come across an FN-49 in really good shape. I assume it is all matching but do not know. The dealer said he has to check the rifle out and figure out his price, but mentioned the tune of 400$ range. I doubt it will be this cheap but will probably jump on it for that price. He has aquired it as part of another dealer's collection, thus the delay in pricing.

Tell me what you know about them. It's cal is 7.92. How rare is that?

has it joined you yet???

BigJake · 11-11-2003, 12:18 PM

Reply to Logansdad-

I bet so, I think it was mounted down pretty good but even then the precussion must have been felt pretty good.

I dont think I will ever get the chance to partake in the slack jaw firing of one of those beasts, although I have been stubborn enough to live up to one of my mottos:

If it is made to be shot, and is structurably sound I will shoulder it,
and/or hold it, and/or just pull the trigger. (at least once)

there are a few acceptions to this rule of mine including several cheaply made hanguns like the 25. cal junkers usually located exiled in their own case away from the nice handguns. Another acception would be something like the French full auto that was used before the BAR was adopted.

I am not too picky tho "the worst gun is better than your next best alternative"

11-11-2003, 07:09 PM

here's that Simonov PTRS

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Heavy/PTRS-41.htm

11-11-2003, 07:12 PM

check out the Nazi version
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pzb.htm

BigJake · 11-11-2003, 07:57 PM

Wow, thanks for that link,

my only knowledge on this was in text. I did't know it even had a stock on it. more exciting than that, is the fact that it does not fit into the "Destructive device" catagory. hmmmmm.

I would shoulder it and fire it.
I bet ammo is hard to find for it. I am curious about this.
Thanks Logansdad

BattleRifleG3 · 11-11-2003, 09:51 PM

How does it not fit into the Destructive device category? It is over 50 caliber and not a sporting shotgun. Suppose it could be converted to 50 BMG?

BigJake · 11-11-2003, 10:39 PM

It shoots a 14.5mm bullet and evedently some people have gotten them in listed as "small arms" since the bullet is smaller than 20mm.

check out the link that logansdad put on the first page of this conversation.

here it is

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Heavy/PTRS-41.htm

BattleRifleG3 · 11-11-2003, 11:12 PM

20mm is a destructive device. Anything over 50 cal is a destructive device with the exception of shotguns in the explicit wording of the NFA, which has been read to include specific big game cartridges.

10-06-2003, 07:42 PM	#1
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 3,974 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 3	Fn 49 Guys, I have come across an FN-49 in really good shape. I assume it is all matching but do not know. The dealer said he has to check the rifle out and figure out his price, but mentioned the tune of 400$ range. I doubt it will be this cheap but will probably jump on it for that price. He has aquired it as part of another dealer's collection, thus the delay in pricing. Tell me what you know about them. It's cal is 7.92. How rare is that? __________________ The conversion rate for Stanley dimes to Shrutebucks is the same as leprechauns to unicorns.

10-14-2003, 10:32 AM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	Doesn't the FN-49 use a similar tilting bolt locking system to the SKS and FAL? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-10-2003, 10:15 PM	#10
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Gyrene, You are right, although I do not read or converse in Russian or German, Siminov did invent an earlier example of the now known SKS action. It was named PTRS anti-tank rifle. It shot a 14.5mm projectile at a little over 3000 fps. The common weight of the projectile was 994 gr. Wish I could log one of those in as a C&R...... __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

11-10-2003, 11:50 PM	#12
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 18,662 Images: 5	Have you seen these 49's at SOG? http://www.southernohiogun.com/ __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-11-2003, 12:18 PM	#14
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Reply to Logansdad- I bet so, I think it was mounted down pretty good but even then the precussion must have been felt pretty good. I dont think I will ever get the chance to partake in the slack jaw firing of one of those beasts, although I have been stubborn enough to live up to one of my mottos: If it is made to be shot, and is structurably sound I will shoulder it, and/or hold it, and/or just pull the trigger. (at least once) there are a few acceptions to this rule of mine including several cheaply made hanguns like the 25. cal junkers usually located exiled in their own case away from the nice handguns. Another acception would be something like the French full auto that was used before the BAR was adopted. I am not too picky tho "the worst gun is better than your next best alternative" __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

10-06-2003, 10:39 PM	#2
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	what i know??? is that they were exceptioanlly well built and robust rifle, all machined. which is what killed it, they had to compete in a postwar world, flooded with WWII leftovers. they came in 7mm, 8mm, 7.65mm Mauser, and 30-06; Argentine converted theirs to 7.62 Nato. my 7mm from Venezuala though a trifle banged up. is a marvel of the machinest art. if you can get it for about $400 thats one ringy-dingy price!!!

10-14-2003, 12:13 AM	#3
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Phacopsrana - The FN-49 you mentioned is probably one built for the Egyptians in 7.92 x 57mm (8mm). Search on FN-49, and you will find the best sources for details about the FN-49.

11-09-2003, 01:33 AM	#5
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	BattleRifleG3 - You are correct in that the bolt system is a lot like the SKS, and since it is the Father of the FAL, it is definitely like the FAL. I have seen it written that there is no way that the efforts of Saive which began in about the middle 1930's could have colaborated with Simonov in the bolt design, as the SKS was an early 1940's effort. I have seen that there was an earlier anti-tank weapon (I've read both German and Russian, and maybe they both had them) PTR that had the same bolt/bolt carrier design, several years before.

11-09-2003, 06:17 AM	#6
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Model 1949 FN Semiautomatic Rifle Designed by Dieudonne Saive of Fabrique Nationale prior to WWII. Initial patents were filed in 1936. The FN 49 was not produced until after WWII. Adopted by the Belgian Army in 1951 in 30.06 Here are some of the other countries that adopted the FN: Luxembourg (30.06); Venezuela (7mm Mauser); Egypt (8mm Mauser); Argentina (7.65 mm Argentine).

11-09-2003, 06:19 AM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	interesting read here http://www.mg0815.com/FALinfo.htm

11-09-2003, 10:11 AM	#8
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,562	BUY IT!!!! BLUE BOOK FN-49 7X57 MAUSER 8003 MFG FOR VENEZUELA 7.65 MM 5500 MFG FOR ARGENTINA 7.92MM OR 30/06 MFG 160000 ADD 10% FOR 30/06 ADD 100% FOR SNIPER VERSION ADD 10% FOR SLOTTED RECIEVERS ADD $650 FOR CORRECT SCOPE, RING, AND MOUNT SUBTRACT 20% FOR RECENTLY ASSEMBLED EGYPTIAN PARTS MODELS 100% $700 98% $575 95% $450 90% $300 80% $250 70% $225 60% $175 I HAVE 10 FN-49'S ONE CORRECT SCOPED TWO 30/06 ALL ARE SLOTTED SOME OF THEM ARE AT ABOUT 100% NOT EVEN A STOCK DING OR STAIN. BUY BUY BUY DANA

11-09-2003, 10:13 AM	#9
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Dana is one of my heros

11-10-2003, 11:10 PM	#11
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	It shot a 14.5mm projectile at a little over 3000 fps. The common weight of the projectile was 994 gr. sounds like it had some serious kick..go ahead and try it first

11-11-2003, 07:09 PM	#15
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	here's that Simonov PTRS http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Heavy/PTRS-41.htm

11-11-2003, 07:12 PM	#16
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	check out the Nazi version http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pzb.htm

11-11-2003, 07:57 PM	#17
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Wow, thanks for that link, my only knowledge on this was in text. I did't know it even had a stock on it. more exciting than that, is the fact that it does not fit into the "Destructive device" catagory. hmmmmm. I would shoulder it and fire it. I bet ammo is hard to find for it. I am curious about this. Thanks Logansdad __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

11-11-2003, 09:51 PM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	How does it not fit into the Destructive device category? It is over 50 caliber and not a sporting shotgun. Suppose it could be converted to 50 BMG? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-11-2003, 10:39 PM	#19
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	It shoots a 14.5mm bullet and evedently some people have gotten them in listed as "small arms" since the bullet is smaller than 20mm. check out the link that logansdad put on the first page of this conversation. here it is http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Heavy/PTRS-41.htm __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

11-11-2003, 11:12 PM	#20
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,397 Images: 13	20mm is a destructive device. Anything over 50 cal is a destructive device with the exception of shotguns in the explicit wording of the NFA, which has been read to include specific big game cartridges. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

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