Arming a Bannana Republic

Rick S · 01-14-2008, 02:27 PM

I'm putting together an essay on battle rifles and wanted to get some opinions.

If in today's world if you were arming a small country's defensive force. Your country is recognized by the UK, the US, Australia, Brazil, and Germany. These countries are offering you a choice of three different weapons. Germany is offering you a warehouse full of Heckler and Koch G3's. The US if offering the M-14, and the UK is offering the L1A1.

Here are the rules: All weapons are the same price. All weapons are required to be from the same source. And all of them are in the same slightly used condition, Like New.

What is your weapon of choice?

knightRider · 01-14-2008, 02:31 PM

I would say the FAL <l1a1> because 308 is a great round , they have a gaa chamber that can be adjusted , easy to clean i mean easy <esier then an ak or ar 15>

JUST ME THOUGH

stitchclimber · 01-14-2008, 02:36 PM

Knightrider, I soundly agree with you. Buy the guns from the brits. A good well built rifle that is powerful and easy to operate and maintain is priceless in a battlefield situation.v

knightRider · 01-14-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stitchclimber

Knightrider, I soundly agree with you. Buy the guns from the brits. A good well built rifle that is powerful and easy to operate and maintain is priceless in a battlefield situation.v

thanks man.

You ever tried to clean a g3 ? I have and cant think of doing it in the middle of a battle !

ArkansasHunter · 01-14-2008, 03:05 PM

This could be an Interesting Thread !

Rick S · 01-14-2008, 03:15 PM

I watched a video from the discovery channel last night that rated the FAL 5th of all time battle rifles. The G3 wasn't even mentioned and if I remember correctly the M-14 was somewhere between 6th and 9th they were each separate video's and I didn't watch them in order. here's my thought. I want the 308 no other option in my mind. But of the three options that are comercially available which is the best?

knightRider · 01-14-2008, 03:20 PM

The FAL DSA makes great fals i own 2
16.25 elite tactical

21 in long range

Rick S · 01-14-2008, 04:11 PM

both very nice! did you order them or does your local shop carry them?

nathangdad · 01-14-2008, 04:48 PM

Personal choice if you feel the country is stable and will not become a threat. This is always a problem with a banana republic. If you feel the country is unstable and could go against you would
want none of your recommended firearms in their military/police force.

knightRider · 01-17-2008, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick S

both very nice! did you order them or does your local shop carry them?

the tactical 16.25 in para i orderd custom from D S Arms it took 18 weeks , but i upgraded everything trigger , trijon nite sites , i mean everything. the 21 in i orderd off gun broker .

And no my local shop carrys nothing but deer rifles and like 8 handguns , no aks ars nothing , but he lets me order anything i want . I spend alot so im a perfered customer, I.E. he lets me order weird stuff.

Kodiak32 · 01-17-2008, 07:40 PM

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I would say the L1a1, the M14 is great rifle without a doubt but the FAL design has proven itself already in many of those Banana Republic third world countries.

I have a Fal so my vote is pretty biased. If someone would give me a good deal on a M1A, that might sway my vote.

Like seeing the FALs knightRider, I'll have to get mine out for some practice.

mym1a · 01-17-2008, 08:10 PM

Having no claim as a combat vet my choice maybe considered wrong but,assuming this small army will have to stand against a superior force i doubt you would want to intentialy meet the enemy head on?I would think you would want to fight a guerrilla/insurgency type war? taking into consideration availability of supplies, I'm wondering if semi/fully auto rifles would be the best way to go? Don't get me wrong I enjoy both the L1a1 and M1A but, would it be practical? based on the resources available? and the type of engagements one might encounter? I would think one would attempt to pick their battles,when they can? to their advantage when technology is at it's weakest? yes acquire what you can as you progress and use it towards your adversary.But as a standard issue L1A1 M1A/M14 I don't know, wouldn't it be better to use the ammunition that your adversary uses?

knightRider · 01-18-2008, 09:06 AM

you cant win a war based on a loseing defense.

wunhunglo · 01-24-2008, 09:07 AM

As a biased Brit, it would have to be the L1A1.....served me well! Keep it clean, well fed and within arm's reach.....it won't let you down.

4 out of 5 voices in my head say I am normal. Majority rules.
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

Shwanzig · 02-03-2008, 10:30 AM

M14, then I tell everyone I'm allies with USA

No one would attack me then.... at least I hope.

But really I think I would go with the L1A1, I've only heard good about it.

meatloaf · 02-09-2008, 01:28 PM

being american I would have to promoteour firearms. more jobs for us and we contol a large ammount of ammunition to the country, just incase we have to smack them around alittle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick S

I watched a video from the discovery channel last night that rated the FAL 5th of all time battle rifles. The G3 wasn't even mentioned and if I remember correctly the M-14 was somewhere between 6th and 9th they were each separate video's and I didn't watch them in order. here's my thought. I want the 308 no other option in my mind. But of the three options that are comercially available which is the best?

The Spanish G3 is the base for the FAL, before the spain took the model for production it was the germans. With the end of the second world war the embargos against germany forbid them to manufactor firearms, so the company and its engineers/scientists moved to spain and started CETME. CETME created the G3, later the paton was sold and the FAL was started. The G3 and FAL are almost exactly the same with parts that are interchangeable.

knightRider · 02-09-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf

being american I would have to promoteour firearms. more jobs for us and we contol a large ammount of ammunition to the country, just incase we have to smack them around alittle.

The Spanish G3 is the base for the FAL, before the spain took the model for production it was the germans. With the end of the second world war the embargos against germany forbid them to manufactor firearms, so the company and its engineers/scientists moved to spain and started CETME. CETME created the G3, later the paton was sold and the FAL was started. The G3 and FAL are almost exactly the same with parts that are interchangeable.

thats not true , well some of it is true but somes not.

Windwalker · 02-09-2008, 02:30 PM

FAL L1A1

SilverRun · 02-09-2008, 03:29 PM

I guess I would go with the FAL out of your choices. But, it would likely be my third choice behind the AK and AR. I know the AR and AK are not true battle rifles, but I think they would serve the typical banana republic better.

meatloaf · 02-09-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knightRider

thats not true , well some of it is true but somes not.

What isnt true about it? wikipedia cetme thats where I got my info.

01-14-2008, 02:27 PM	#1
Rick S Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16	Arming a Bannana Republic I'm putting together an essay on battle rifles and wanted to get some opinions. If in today's world if you were arming a small country's defensive force. Your country is recognized by the UK, the US, Australia, Brazil, and Germany. These countries are offering you a choice of three different weapons. Germany is offering you a warehouse full of Heckler and Koch G3's. The US if offering the M-14, and the UK is offering the L1A1. Here are the rules: All weapons are the same price. All weapons are required to be from the same source. And all of them are in the same slightly used condition, Like New. What is your weapon of choice?

01-14-2008, 02:31 PM	#2
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 1,641 Images: 19	I would say the FAL <l1a1> because 308 is a great round , they have a gaa chamber that can be adjusted , easy to clean i mean easy <esier then an ak or ar 15> JUST ME THOUGH __________________ I am Part Kalashnikov, Part Heckler and Koch. Last edited by knightRider; 01-14-2008 at 02:51 PM.

01-14-2008, 02:36 PM	#3
stitchclimber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The great northwest Posts: 565	Knightrider, I soundly agree with you. Buy the guns from the brits. A good well built rifle that is powerful and easy to operate and maintain is priceless in a battlefield situation.v __________________ turning up the radio, got just enough religion and a half tank of gas...

01-14-2008, 03:20 PM	#7
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 1,641 Images: 19	The FAL DSA makes great fals i own 2 16.25 elite tactical 21 in long range __________________ I am Part Kalashnikov, Part Heckler and Koch.

01-14-2008, 04:48 PM	#9
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,168	L1A1 Personal choice if you feel the country is stable and will not become a threat. This is always a problem with a banana republic. If you feel the country is unstable and could go against you would want none of your recommended firearms in their military/police force.

01-14-2008, 03:05 PM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,698	This could be an Interesting Thread !

01-14-2008, 03:15 PM	#6
Rick S Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16	I watched a video from the discovery channel last night that rated the FAL 5th of all time battle rifles. The G3 wasn't even mentioned and if I remember correctly the M-14 was somewhere between 6th and 9th they were each separate video's and I didn't watch them in order. here's my thought. I want the 308 no other option in my mind. But of the three options that are comercially available which is the best?

01-14-2008, 04:11 PM	#8
Rick S Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16	both very nice! did you order them or does your local shop carry them?

01-17-2008, 07:40 PM	#11
Kodiak32 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 143	T I would say the L1a1, the M14 is great rifle without a doubt but the FAL design has proven itself already in many of those Banana Republic third world countries. I have a Fal so my vote is pretty biased. If someone would give me a good deal on a M1A, that might sway my vote. Like seeing the FALs knightRider, I'll have to get mine out for some practice. Last edited by Kodiak32; 01-17-2008 at 07:57 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-17-2008, 08:10 PM	#12
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,063	Having no claim as a combat vet my choice maybe considered wrong but,assuming this small army will have to stand against a superior force i doubt you would want to intentialy meet the enemy head on?I would think you would want to fight a guerrilla/insurgency type war? taking into consideration availability of supplies, I'm wondering if semi/fully auto rifles would be the best way to go? Don't get me wrong I enjoy both the L1a1 and M1A but, would it be practical? based on the resources available? and the type of engagements one might encounter? I would think one would attempt to pick their battles,when they can? to their advantage when technology is at it's weakest? yes acquire what you can as you progress and use it towards your adversary.But as a standard issue L1A1 M1A/M14 I don't know, wouldn't it be better to use the ammunition that your adversary uses? Last edited by mym1a; 01-17-2008 at 08:25 PM.

01-18-2008, 09:06 AM	#13
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 1,641 Images: 19	you cant win a war based on a loseing defense. __________________ I am Part Kalashnikov, Part Heckler and Koch.

01-24-2008, 09:07 AM	#14
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Darkest Afrika" Posts: 486	As a biased Brit, it would have to be the L1A1.....served me well! Keep it clean, well fed and within arm's reach.....it won't let you down. 4 out of 5 voices in my head say I am normal. Majority rules. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

02-03-2008, 10:30 AM	#15
Shwanzig Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 47	M14, then I tell everyone I'm allies with USA No one would attack me then.... at least I hope. But really I think I would go with the L1A1, I've only heard good about it.

02-09-2008, 02:30 PM	#18
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,140	FAL L1A1 __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

02-09-2008, 03:29 PM	#19
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,587	I guess I would go with the FAL out of your choices. But, it would likely be my third choice behind the AK and AR. I know the AR and AK are not true battle rifles, but I think they would serve the typical banana republic better. __________________ "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton

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