i want to make a pistol out of a cetme - Page 2

BattleRifleG3 · 08-17-2005, 07:01 AM

There is no registration with the ATF except NFA weapons, which a pistol is not. You do not need to register anything you build from scratch. In the case of a build on a virgin receiver, if the receiver is complete and bought through an FFL then the receiver is what is considered a firearm. There's debate on whether the receiver must be papered as a handgun by the dealer or if it simply must not have been built into a rifle before. I made sure my AK receiver for a handgun was papered as a handgun.

If this is the dumbest thing you've ever heard of, then you're a lucky man.

bigjake2112 · 08-17-2005, 01:01 PM

all rite if this dosint work out i mite make it a tatkel carben or how ever u say it were can i find parts and how mutch will it cost

Mandy · 08-17-2005, 06:48 PM

:gangster: :gangster: :gangster: :gangster: :gangster:
I don't want to hurt your feelings BJ, but your spelling sucks, I had a hard time figuring out what you want to comunicate.

My sugestion would be to try to improove in your spelling and then you may embark in building a gun
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BattleRifleG3 · 08-17-2005, 11:30 PM

I wasn't going to ask that, but I have in fact wondered the same thing.

I think a tactical carbine would be a better idea. Of course, that was essentially what my recommendation would end up, but loosening your criteria might make it easier.

Far as what it would take to make it a tactical carbine, a tactical carbine is distinguished by being a carbine that is used for tactical stuff. That can mean a great many things. My suggestion is to go feature by feature of what you want instead of saying "I want to make it look like xxxx", unless xxxx is a specific model that you can buy complete.

YugoM59/66 · 09-02-2005, 11:23 PM

havent you guys realized?? they're not good for anything(i realize that was a stupid thing to say) but they are freakin worthless...retards could have made better laws(no offense to retards)

BattleRifleG3 · 09-06-2005, 12:37 PM

Ha... at first I thought you were talking about a CETME pistol. Which I would tend to agree with. I agree on the laws being retarded. I think we all know that far too well. They were written solely for abuse and passed by ignoramii.

We only comply with them in order not to have a vulnerability to our political enemies.

grasshopper2 · 09-06-2005, 01:34 PM

http://www.cetmerifles.com/51video.rm
This is a picture of a shortie carbine with a registered full auto trigger assembily. hese guys are law enforcement, do not try this at home.

MAX7.62 · 09-15-2005, 08:14 PM

Bottom line - a 7.62X51 Cetme/Hk the size of an MP5 just don't work real good and it's a beast to shoot and about impossible to control. A buddy had (has?) basically what your talking about, a registered class III Hk G3 that he made into a ".308 MP5". Even after he took the MP5 retractable stock back off and put the full G3 butt back on, it was impossible to shoot in full auto.

dstorm1911 · 09-21-2005, 01:51 AM

H#ll I have a Select fire PSG1 Sniper rifle (the real mcCoy straight from Germany) thats all but impossible to use in full auto and its a full size rifle! I also have a Santabarbra Select fire CETME same deal the .308 is just to hot to be used accuratly in full auto in such a light weapon, The whole reason that "Assault" rifles are chambered in lighter calibers is so that they are #1 controlable and #2 the shorter action cycles faster hence the need for rate reducers etc...

A CETME/G3 as a pistol is a joke at least if ya actually want to shoot it, this is why the Engineers came up with the MP5 in the first place all a .308 at pistol leangth will accomplish is a huge muzzle blast, extremally poor accuracy (the rifleings twist rate is setup for that particular barrel leangth) its easy to creat such toys as airsoft guns etc... they don't have to actually take the .308 cal cartridge into consideration, for instance BJ, if ya actually knew CETMEs inside out then ya'd know that with a bolt carrier shortened up that much ya simply wouldn't be able to chamber a round as the bolt carrier AND the G3/CETME bolt requires 5.7 inches of travel in order to cycle........ that TOY ya posted the pics of is only having to cycle a 6 mm plastic BB......... ya'd also be aware of the fact that the CETME was designed at the leangth it is for a reason... it needs the weight of the bolt carrier to help time the locking/unlocking of the rollers.........

MAX7.62 · 09-26-2005, 09:13 AM

SEE! dstorm understands the problems here as well! This is why I've always said that the M14 was unfairly beat up about being uncontrolable in full auto. ANYTHING chambered in 7.62X51 is a handfull to hold onto in full auto! Why do you think that so many full battle rifles come standard with bipods folded up under the front hand guards? Standing and firing single rounds in semi off the shoulder is no problem, but if yer gonna throw 'er in third gear and rock-n-roll it's best to pop out the pods and lay down with it, the point of impact can be controlled best that way.

NOTE: "assault rifles" are little guns that shoot vamint rounds (save the AK47 - it's a .308 "short") Hk G3's, FAL's, M14's, Cetme's and anything else chambered in 7.62X51 is classified as a "full battle rifle".

08-17-2005, 07:01 AM	#21
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	There is no registration with the ATF except NFA weapons, which a pistol is not. You do not need to register anything you build from scratch. In the case of a build on a virgin receiver, if the receiver is complete and bought through an FFL then the receiver is what is considered a firearm. There's debate on whether the receiver must be papered as a handgun by the dealer or if it simply must not have been built into a rifle before. I made sure my AK receiver for a handgun was papered as a handgun. If this is the dumbest thing you've ever heard of, then you're a lucky man. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-17-2005, 06:48 PM	#23
Mandy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 1,641	How old are you? :gangster: :gangster: :gangster: :gangster: :gangster: I don't want to hurt your feelings BJ, but your spelling sucks, I had a hard time figuring out what you want to comunicate. My sugestion would be to try to improove in your spelling and then you may embark in building a gun :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: __________________ :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6. _________________________________ If you gonna die, die with your boots on ! Iron Maiden _________________________________ The deeper you go, the better it feels ! Divers Motto :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi:

08-17-2005, 11:30 PM	#24
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I wasn't going to ask that, but I have in fact wondered the same thing. I think a tactical carbine would be a better idea. Of course, that was essentially what my recommendation would end up, but loosening your criteria might make it easier. Far as what it would take to make it a tactical carbine, a tactical carbine is distinguished by being a carbine that is used for tactical stuff. That can mean a great many things. My suggestion is to go feature by feature of what you want instead of saying "I want to make it look like xxxx", unless xxxx is a specific model that you can buy complete. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-06-2005, 12:37 PM	#26
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Ha... at first I thought you were talking about a CETME pistol. Which I would tend to agree with. I agree on the laws being retarded. I think we all know that far too well. They were written solely for abuse and passed by ignoramii. We only comply with them in order not to have a vulnerability to our political enemies. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-15-2005, 08:14 PM	#28
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	Bottom line - a 7.62X51 Cetme/Hk the size of an MP5 just don't work real good and it's a beast to shoot and about impossible to control. A buddy had (has?) basically what your talking about, a registered class III Hk G3 that he made into a ".308 MP5". Even after he took the MP5 retractable stock back off and put the full G3 butt back on, it was impossible to shoot in full auto. __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

08-17-2005, 01:01 PM	#22
bigjake2112 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10	all rite if this dosint work out i mite make it a tatkel carben or how ever u say it were can i find parts and how mutch will it cost

09-02-2005, 11:23 PM	#25
YugoM59/66 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 139	havent you guys realized?? they're not good for anything(i realize that was a stupid thing to say) but they are freakin worthless...retards could have made better laws(no offense to retards)

09-06-2005, 01:34 PM	#27
grasshopper2 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 28	http://www.cetmerifles.com/51video.rm This is a picture of a shortie carbine with a registered full auto trigger assembily. hese guys are law enforcement, do not try this at home.

09-21-2005, 01:51 AM	#29
dstorm1911 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26	H#ll I have a Select fire PSG1 Sniper rifle (the real mcCoy straight from Germany) thats all but impossible to use in full auto and its a full size rifle! I also have a Santabarbra Select fire CETME same deal the .308 is just to hot to be used accuratly in full auto in such a light weapon, The whole reason that "Assault" rifles are chambered in lighter calibers is so that they are #1 controlable and #2 the shorter action cycles faster hence the need for rate reducers etc... A CETME/G3 as a pistol is a joke at least if ya actually want to shoot it, this is why the Engineers came up with the MP5 in the first place all a .308 at pistol leangth will accomplish is a huge muzzle blast, extremally poor accuracy (the rifleings twist rate is setup for that particular barrel leangth) its easy to creat such toys as airsoft guns etc... they don't have to actually take the .308 cal cartridge into consideration, for instance BJ, if ya actually knew CETMEs inside out then ya'd know that with a bolt carrier shortened up that much ya simply wouldn't be able to chamber a round as the bolt carrier AND the G3/CETME bolt requires 5.7 inches of travel in order to cycle........ that TOY ya posted the pics of is only having to cycle a 6 mm plastic BB......... ya'd also be aware of the fact that the CETME was designed at the leangth it is for a reason... it needs the weight of the bolt carrier to help time the locking/unlocking of the rollers.........

09-26-2005, 09:13 AM	#30
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	SEE! dstorm understands the problems here as well! This is why I've always said that the M14 was unfairly beat up about being uncontrolable in full auto. ANYTHING chambered in 7.62X51 is a handfull to hold onto in full auto! Why do you think that so many full battle rifles come standard with bipods folded up under the front hand guards? Standing and firing single rounds in semi off the shoulder is no problem, but if yer gonna throw 'er in third gear and rock-n-roll it's best to pop out the pods and lay down with it, the point of impact can be controlled best that way. NOTE: "assault rifles" are little guns that shoot vamint rounds (save the AK47 - it's a .308 "short") Hk G3's, FAL's, M14's, Cetme's and anything else chambered in 7.62X51 is classified as a "full battle rifle". __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!