My new G3

Pred · 10-10-2005, 12:54 PM

Well, I'm looking at cheaperthandirt.com and they have Wolf .308, 20 box for $3.50, South African .308 military surplus ammo 147gr Berdan Primed, copper jacketed, 140 rounds for $28.00, and Silver Bear, zinc coated .308 Winchester, 140-grain soft-point bullet Non-corrosive, Zinc-plated steel case Berdan primer, Made in Russia, 20 rounds per box for $5.50 a box.

TULAver · 10-10-2005, 02:35 PM

PRetty rifle. Nice and evil, and black. If I ever get one of those though(still floating back and forth over my choices for a .308 battle rifle, probably gonna end up with a DSA FAL so I can have something American made) I'm gonna stick that nice german walnut furniture back on it like the originals.

A note about ammo. From what I understand about the fluted chamber and the pressure of the blowback system in operation on this rifle, it has a bad tendency to rip commercial .308 brass to shreds, leaving pieces of the case stuck in the chamber. Now, Wolf ammo, IF it's laquered like the 7.62x39 will cause you to have to scrub that already tricky chamber with extra enthusiasm, BUT, being steel cased, it will probably be better than feeding it commercial ammo. Less prone to ripping apart and all. THough I suppose since the steel doesn't shrink back down like brass that you may end up with one stuck in the chamber... but then, I highly DOUBT that the brass cases are cooled down by the time the action cycles and kicks them out. In fact, after being on the range with someone shooting one, I KNOW they're not, they're still really hot on the ground

Try it and see what works, long as your name ain't Bubba, you'll probably have a hard time hurting this particular type of rifle.

Pred · 10-10-2005, 02:57 PM

I have no clue of what I'm going to do to this thing. More then anything I want to clean up the outside of it REALLY badly, or I guess I should say I need to. I'd like to put some type of optics on it, but I'm stuck between a Red-Dot or a lower power scope(don't really want to put more then $200 in optics). Any suggestions?

Big Dog · 10-10-2005, 03:04 PM

I've been reading on other sites of guys using the steel-cased ammo with little or no problems in their CETMEs and G3's. I haven't done it myself, but will probably try the newer polymer-coated type.
I've used the following ammo types in my CETME:
1) Commercial Remington 150 grain Core-Lokt - had one ripped in half once, but the next one pulled the front half out when ejeceted, as it wouldn't chamber. Very accurate, if you need to hunt with the G3/CETME. Just be careful! Best shot in a freshly cleaned chamber!
2) Santa Barbara - the original Spanish FMJ ammo - okay but not the most accurate. Functions perfectly.
3) Hirtenberger (mixed lots, repackaged in El Salvadore) - grungy on the outside, but my rifle loves it! Shot a couple sub-inch groups at 100 yards, functioned perfectly.
4) CAVIM (made in Venezuela) - excellent accuracy and function, nearly as good as the Hirt.
5) R1M1 (South African) - very good ammo.

Portugese is said to be very good, and the Winchester nickel-cased premium ammo is said to work well (tougher cases than Remington brass).

The installation of a port buffer is supposed to keep the brass in better shape, and I know people who do reload the brass from their G3/CETME rifles. It'll throw the brass forward, not endangering the guy shooting to your right, too. :right:

Pred · 10-10-2005, 03:19 PM

Well, even though it's dirty as all h3!!, and stinks to high heaven, the Wolf ammo is about the cheapest I can buy per 1000(less then 20 cents a round). I love the fact that my brother-in-law said every time I fired next to him the shockwave scared the crap out of him

TULAver · 11-01-2005, 03:35 AM

Pred, see if this package tickles your fancy.

http://www.tapco.com/product_informa...&dept=4&last=3

I've heard NOTHING but good things about that particular scope, and that Tapco mount is SURE to be more solid than the standard HK claw style mounts, especially on that Century rifle. 4x, illuminated reticle, pretty much military spec all the way. Plus you get that neat little side rail to mount a laser on... Great price.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-01-2005, 01:33 PM

Guys, remember that this rifle has a Weaver rail and NOT the standard accomodations for a G3/Cetme scope mount.

Pred · 11-01-2005, 02:48 PM

Thanks Tula, but I already put a scope on it. If you hadn't seen my range report, I put a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40 Mildot on it. I was able to put together a 1" group at 100 yards with it. Suprised as I am, I'm very very happy with the way the rifle shoots, even with the dirty Wolf ammo. Once I get my sights in just how I like them, I'll clean it up real good, and find some good .308 ammo and see if it can do any better. But, who knows, this gun might like the Wolf .308 stuff too.

TULAver · 11-06-2005, 10:18 PM

Yeah, sorry, I saw the pics of your scoped beauty just a few minutes after I posted that. Looking good though, I must say. I tell you, the longer I go, the harder it is to pick between the H&K family and the FN family. I imagine I'll end up with an FAL for practicality, ease of rebuilding, abundance of replacement and aftermarket parts, etc. But there's still just something about an HK style rifle... too bad they(H&K themselves) don't make em like they used to...

BattleRifleG3 · 11-06-2005, 11:43 PM

Honestly, as an open sited MBR with a not longer than necessary barrel, I'd take a FAL over a G3. But if you want to scope it and use it with maximum accuracy, G3 variants are good choices. The PTR series by JLD is excellent and covers many bases.

TULAver · 11-12-2005, 02:37 AM

Mounts and scopes being made equal(hypothetically speaking) you think the G3 is a better weapon to put optics on than an FAL? I was just wondering, since with an FAL, you have pretty much the full range of 7.62NATO and commercial .308 loads to choose from, where with a G3, you're kinda restricted.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-14-2005, 12:23 AM

YES the G3 is better for scoping. Certainly the more accurate choice unless your FAL is a high quality DSA. Then again, a JLD PTR G3 variant will be at least as accurate.

grasshopper2 · 11-23-2005, 12:12 PM

:right: Nice rifle. OK, here are some points that i have to make about this rifle.
1. This rifle is designed for NATO ammo only. It will take winchester .308 and other ammo but the violence of the opperarion of this fine rifle will brake shells pariod if you do not use NATO ammo. The NATO ammo has thicker brass and is designed for military rifles. With the fluted barrel the brass expands into the flutes and then is pushed out by the gas of the burning powder.
2. The G3 you have IS a CIA sporter. You can take a dremmil tool and zip off that nasty flash supressor and re-thread your barrel for a flash supressor. If you do this you have to re-crown the end if CIA cut your barrel instead of pinning and welding you existing supressor on. I bought a CETME from them last year and I took mine off and it was threaded. You can buy a supressor for around 5 dollars from TAPCO.
3. Before you shoot your rifle again, please take the thing down to a barreled receiver and clean all the crap out of it again. When you are done with it.... clean it again. After you get done with your barrled receiver, move on to your bolt and bolt carrier. Disassemble this and clean the snot out of it! You'll notice that there might be crap on your rollers. Inspect the bolt carefully. See if CIA ground down your bolt face! They do this to reset headspacing the micky mouse way if they screw up on setting your charging handle to your barrel. Once this is clean reassemble it and then it is time to move on to yout trigger assembily. he angry beavers at Century throw these rifles together and get them pretty close but it is up to you to fine tune it. You might find metal filings in your trigger group. you do NOT have to rip it all the way down but I'd suggest douching it out good and hit it with brake cleaner. Re inspect it, if clean now is the time to reassemble your boom stick!
4. Now we are gettin into head spacing.

http://www.cetmerifles.com/forum/vb/...ead.php?t=4818

If I could stay here all day and talk about these rifles that I love I couldn't even touch the nowlage on this sight. Check this sight out. I'm "Grasshopper". Got to run. Be safe with your G3! :cheer:

grasshopper2 · 11-23-2005, 12:26 PM

errr... sorry for the spelling. :smash:

grasshopper2 · 11-23-2005, 12:28 PM

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm

Here is an other nice sight.

FutureMarine · 11-27-2005, 03:59 PM

We all love world guns!!!

10-10-2005, 02:35 PM	#22
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	PRetty rifle. Nice and evil, and black. If I ever get one of those though(still floating back and forth over my choices for a .308 battle rifle, probably gonna end up with a DSA FAL so I can have something American made) I'm gonna stick that nice german walnut furniture back on it like the originals. A note about ammo. From what I understand about the fluted chamber and the pressure of the blowback system in operation on this rifle, it has a bad tendency to rip commercial .308 brass to shreds, leaving pieces of the case stuck in the chamber. Now, Wolf ammo, IF it's laquered like the 7.62x39 will cause you to have to scrub that already tricky chamber with extra enthusiasm, BUT, being steel cased, it will probably be better than feeding it commercial ammo. Less prone to ripping apart and all. THough I suppose since the steel doesn't shrink back down like brass that you may end up with one stuck in the chamber... but then, I highly DOUBT that the brass cases are cooled down by the time the action cycles and kicks them out. In fact, after being on the range with someone shooting one, I KNOW they're not, they're still really hot on the ground Try it and see what works, long as your name ain't Bubba, you'll probably have a hard time hurting this particular type of rifle. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

10-10-2005, 03:04 PM	#24
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,421	I've been reading on other sites of guys using the steel-cased ammo with little or no problems in their CETMEs and G3's. I haven't done it myself, but will probably try the newer polymer-coated type. I've used the following ammo types in my CETME: 1) Commercial Remington 150 grain Core-Lokt - had one ripped in half once, but the next one pulled the front half out when ejeceted, as it wouldn't chamber. Very accurate, if you need to hunt with the G3/CETME. Just be careful! Best shot in a freshly cleaned chamber! 2) Santa Barbara - the original Spanish FMJ ammo - okay but not the most accurate. Functions perfectly. 3) Hirtenberger (mixed lots, repackaged in El Salvadore) - grungy on the outside, but my rifle loves it! Shot a couple sub-inch groups at 100 yards, functioned perfectly. 4) CAVIM (made in Venezuela) - excellent accuracy and function, nearly as good as the Hirt. 5) R1M1 (South African) - very good ammo. Portugese is said to be very good, and the Winchester nickel-cased premium ammo is said to work well (tougher cases than Remington brass). The installation of a port buffer is supposed to keep the brass in better shape, and I know people who do reload the brass from their G3/CETME rifles. It'll throw the brass forward, not endangering the guy shooting to your right, too. :right: __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

11-01-2005, 03:35 AM	#26
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Pred, see if this package tickles your fancy. http://www.tapco.com/product_informa...&dept=4&last=3 I've heard NOTHING but good things about that particular scope, and that Tapco mount is SURE to be more solid than the standard HK claw style mounts, especially on that Century rifle. 4x, illuminated reticle, pretty much military spec all the way. Plus you get that neat little side rail to mount a laser on... Great price. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

11-01-2005, 01:33 PM	#27
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	Guys, remember that this rifle has a Weaver rail and NOT the standard accomodations for a G3/Cetme scope mount. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-06-2005, 10:18 PM	#29
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Yeah, sorry, I saw the pics of your scoped beauty just a few minutes after I posted that. Looking good though, I must say. I tell you, the longer I go, the harder it is to pick between the H&K family and the FN family. I imagine I'll end up with an FAL for practicality, ease of rebuilding, abundance of replacement and aftermarket parts, etc. But there's still just something about an HK style rifle... too bad they(H&K themselves) don't make em like they used to... __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

10-10-2005, 12:54 PM	#21
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Well, I'm looking at cheaperthandirt.com and they have Wolf .308, 20 box for $3.50, South African .308 military surplus ammo 147gr Berdan Primed, copper jacketed, 140 rounds for $28.00, and Silver Bear, zinc coated .308 Winchester, 140-grain soft-point bullet Non-corrosive, Zinc-plated steel case Berdan primer, Made in Russia, 20 rounds per box for $5.50 a box.

10-10-2005, 02:57 PM	#23
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	I have no clue of what I'm going to do to this thing. More then anything I want to clean up the outside of it REALLY badly, or I guess I should say I need to. I'd like to put some type of optics on it, but I'm stuck between a Red-Dot or a lower power scope(don't really want to put more then $200 in optics). Any suggestions?

10-10-2005, 03:19 PM	#25
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Well, even though it's dirty as all h3!!, and stinks to high heaven, the Wolf ammo is about the cheapest I can buy per 1000(less then 20 cents a round). I love the fact that my brother-in-law said every time I fired next to him the shockwave scared the crap out of him

11-01-2005, 02:48 PM	#28
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Thanks Tula, but I already put a scope on it. If you hadn't seen my range report, I put a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40 Mildot on it. I was able to put together a 1" group at 100 yards with it. Suprised as I am, I'm very very happy with the way the rifle shoots, even with the dirty Wolf ammo. Once I get my sights in just how I like them, I'll clean it up real good, and find some good .308 ammo and see if it can do any better. But, who knows, this gun might like the Wolf .308 stuff too.

11-06-2005, 11:43 PM	#30
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	Honestly, as an open sited MBR with a not longer than necessary barrel, I'd take a FAL over a G3. But if you want to scope it and use it with maximum accuracy, G3 variants are good choices. The PTR series by JLD is excellent and covers many bases. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-12-2005, 02:37 AM	#31
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Mounts and scopes being made equal(hypothetically speaking) you think the G3 is a better weapon to put optics on than an FAL? I was just wondering, since with an FAL, you have pretty much the full range of 7.62NATO and commercial .308 loads to choose from, where with a G3, you're kinda restricted. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

11-14-2005, 12:23 AM	#32
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	YES the G3 is better for scoping. Certainly the more accurate choice unless your FAL is a high quality DSA. Then again, a JLD PTR G3 variant will be at least as accurate. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-23-2005, 12:12 PM	#33
grasshopper2 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 28	:right: Nice rifle. OK, here are some points that i have to make about this rifle. 1. This rifle is designed for NATO ammo only. It will take winchester .308 and other ammo but the violence of the opperarion of this fine rifle will brake shells pariod if you do not use NATO ammo. The NATO ammo has thicker brass and is designed for military rifles. With the fluted barrel the brass expands into the flutes and then is pushed out by the gas of the burning powder. 2. The G3 you have IS a CIA sporter. You can take a dremmil tool and zip off that nasty flash supressor and re-thread your barrel for a flash supressor. If you do this you have to re-crown the end if CIA cut your barrel instead of pinning and welding you existing supressor on. I bought a CETME from them last year and I took mine off and it was threaded. You can buy a supressor for around 5 dollars from TAPCO. 3. Before you shoot your rifle again, please take the thing down to a barreled receiver and clean all the crap out of it again. When you are done with it.... clean it again. After you get done with your barrled receiver, move on to your bolt and bolt carrier. Disassemble this and clean the snot out of it! You'll notice that there might be crap on your rollers. Inspect the bolt carefully. See if CIA ground down your bolt face! They do this to reset headspacing the micky mouse way if they screw up on setting your charging handle to your barrel. Once this is clean reassemble it and then it is time to move on to yout trigger assembily. he angry beavers at Century throw these rifles together and get them pretty close but it is up to you to fine tune it. You might find metal filings in your trigger group. you do NOT have to rip it all the way down but I'd suggest douching it out good and hit it with brake cleaner. Re inspect it, if clean now is the time to reassemble your boom stick! 4. Now we are gettin into head spacing. http://www.cetmerifles.com/forum/vb/...ead.php?t=4818 If I could stay here all day and talk about these rifles that I love I couldn't even touch the nowlage on this sight. Check this sight out. I'm "Grasshopper". Got to run. Be safe with your G3! :cheer:

11-23-2005, 12:26 PM	#34
grasshopper2 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 28	errr... sorry for the spelling. :smash:

11-23-2005, 12:28 PM	#35
grasshopper2 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 28	http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm Here is an other nice sight.

11-27-2005, 03:59 PM	#36
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	We all love world guns!!!