I couldn't hold out

[Kompressor]

Originally Posted by TULAver

I always heard that the HK blowback operated rifles had a certain break in period from gun to gun, like they start out pretty stiff and they loosen up and settle in with use.

Picke up my Saiga 308 from the dealer today, just in time to hide it from myself for christmas

I've had several different G3 (HK AG3) as service weapons for the past 22 years. Not one of them has ever given me any kind of trouble. Not a single incident of misfire, or anything! I must have fired 20.000 rounds or so with these guns. They've all been produced by HK in the era 1967-1971. Solid stuff! We're still using them in our forces as our main personal weapon. Units serving abroad (Afghanistan) + some high priority units back home are changing to the HK416 these days, so I'll have to trade my G3 in before christmas this year. Sort of a loss, but looking foreward to trying out the "new thing" though.

The G3 doesn't have to be oiled up. When used in a dusty environment (sand etc) sand will just form into some kind of "polish paste" when it hits the oil, and even jam the gun, or at least wear it out in a short time when firing it. The G3 can be used completely dry when needed. That's the standing order of our troops in Afghanistan for instance.

We keep our service weapons at home, and of course under normal conditions we always oil it up!




(Me "on the job", last year. Inspection time...)





(Me in the back, red mark on the arm)

[sIXgUn78]

Good stuff Kompressor! I wish I had a true G3. Mine, unfortunately has an aftermarket receiver and then a parts kit to which it is assembled. I do love shooting it when it is functioning properly. What sort of accuracy can you achieve with it? I assume mine was at least bore sighted. At 100 yards and standing I was able to knock around a piece of 2x2 foot piece of paper that was laying on the ground.

Anyway I still haven't taken any pics of the empty casings I grabbed. Not sure what could be told from them though. If anyone would like to see them I will get some taken then.

[Kompressor]

Originally Posted by sIXgUn78

Good stuff Kompressor! I wish I had a true G3. Mine, unfortunately has an aftermarket receiver and then a parts kit to which it is assembled. I do love shooting it when it is functioning properly. What sort of accuracy can you achieve with it? I assume mine was at least bore sighted. At 100 yards and standing I was able to knock around a piece of 2x2 foot piece of paper that was laying on the ground.

Anyway I still haven't taken any pics of the empty casings I grabbed. Not sure what could be told from them though. If anyone would like to see them I will get some taken then.

At 200 meters (220 yds?) a regular trooper can average five shots groups of about 15 cm with the iron sights if he gets the proper training. Our troops abroad all have red dot optics on them, and I presume that would put the groups even tighter, as the iron sights are BIG and takes a while to train on. Besides, for beginners the blasts from the shooter next to you tend to fill your eyes and nostrils with dust if you're on the ground!


My personal best was 96/100 (10 shots) on a drill test with several mag changes, 6 shots speed shooting + 4 slow shots. two more points and I would have had my face in the Army magazine, ha ha!

The new HK416 is supposedly much more precise. But then the standard optics are much better, and there's practically no recoil from the 5.56 in such a rather heavy gun.

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Lots of G3 pics for you to drool at, ha ha! I took most of the pics myself, but you can find my face in there now and then too. We have MP5s ++ too.

[sIXgUn78]

Awesome Kompressor. Thank you for those pics.

That HK416; I has seen some pictures of that and it is dead sexy!

[Kompressor]

Originally Posted by sIXgUn78

Awesome Kompressor. Thank you for those pics.

That HK416; I has seen some pictures of that and it is dead sexy!

Not only sexy. We had a lot of guns for testing, and the 416 came into the competition very late and pretty much swept the floor with the rest. We had a Canadian made AR15 + another HK + some funny upside-down French gun in the finals for selection. The two HK's came in first, but the 416 was way ahead of the others for several reasons. -Although WEIGHT was not one...

We're getting the 416 in three different barrel lenghts, and we're even getting the 417 (7.62x51) for other purposes. And then we all get a Glock 17 as additional personal armament. Our coolest guns are the Barret .50cal, and we have truckloads of them, ha ha!

[sIXgUn78]

Ahh the .50 Barret! Was the Dutch or the Norwegians the first to really put the Barret .50 to use in a military aspect. I read it somewhere and forget now. Was first used to dispose of unexploded ordinance from a distance. Cheaper than other methods and good target practice!

Can I get one of the soon to be retired G3's?

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by sIXgUn78

Can I get one of the soon to be retired G3's?

+1!!!

Man, if only Bush Sr. hadn't screwed us and signed that bill that prohibited a bunch of perfectly good firearms from being imported for sale to legal, law-abiding American citizens.

[texan08]

anyone know where I can buy a stinger pengun

[voidfinger]

that's a very sexy rifle man, i want one now. How's it shooting after the deep cleaning? is it from Century? quality?

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by voidfinger

that's a very sexy rifle man, i want one now. How's it shooting after the deep cleaning? is it from Century? quality?

Overall she's a beauty. I've decided that the big issues I was having with FT-Feeds were from weak mag springs. I have one mag with a good spring and it will go through a full 20 rounds without issue.

I got the chance to try out the 400 meter peep sight at a laser-checked range of 432 yards and was hitting consistently within a couple feet from a sitting position... up on a hill about 100 feet vertically up. I found that the scope was WAY off from the bore and couldn't use it at all at that time. But, due to the see-through design of the clamp mount, I was able to switch to the irons without issue.

I also finally, recently, laser-bore-sighted the scope at 10 yards. This should get me at least close to on-target and be able to adjust the windage and elevation to Zero. The "cheap" clamp-on double-rail mount has two set screws that are adjustable by allen wrenches, one forward, one rearward. I was able to adjust the elevation of the scope (which was the biggest issue with where it was aiming) by adjusting those screws while still getting the rear screw to engage that hole in the top of the receiver.

I can't wait to get it out to a range and test out the zero on the scope.

[kalashnikov47]

Originally Posted by just_a_car

Overall she's a beauty. I've decided that the big issues I was having with FT-Feeds were from weak mag springs. I have one mag with a good spring and it will go through a full 20 rounds without issue.

I got the chance to try out the 400 meter peep sight at a laser-checked range of 432 yards and was hitting consistently within a couple feet from a sitting position... up on a hill about 100 feet vertically up. I found that the scope was WAY off from the bore and couldn't use it at all at that time. But, due to the see-through design of the clamp mount, I was able to switch to the irons without issue.

I also finally, recently, laser-bore-sighted the scope at 10 yards. This should get me at least close to on-target and be able to adjust the windage and elevation to Zero. The "cheap" clamp-on double-rail mount has two set screws that are adjustable by allen wrenches, one forward, one rearward. I was able to adjust the elevation of the scope (which was the biggest issue with where it was aiming) by adjusting those screws while still getting the rear screw to engage that hole in the top of the receiver.

I can't wait to get it out to a range and test out the zero on the scope.

Just a Car. Did you get any range time on this mount and scope setup? I have been thinking about getting one similar to what you have. Any problems with it?

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by kalashnikov47

Just a Car. Did you get any range time on this mount and scope setup? I have been thinking about getting one similar to what you have. Any problems with it?

Not yet, university class hasn't been giving me a lot of time and local ranges either have A) rules that say you have to be a member to shoot rifles over .22lr or B) have draconian rules where you are only allowed 1 round in the firearm at any time {fine for bolt-action, pain in the ass for magazine fed}.

So, I'll do my best to get it out to a range within a month and there will be a report here on it.

[just_a_car]

Well, I got to take Jessica out Saturday to the shoot organized over at SeattleGuns.org and she performed like a champ.

I was able to get the scope to where, at 100 yards, I was shooting within a foot area and I believe that some of that is my ability to keep steady, as I was sitting in a chair and resting my elbows on my knees.

I am SO happy that the scope and the "cheap" aluminum mount (made by Accushot) stood up and didn't shift after going through 20 rounds of Wolf .308Win.

[nosaj3006]

In reguards to the wolf steel cased ammo I agree that it should only be used in AK style rifles. I used steel once in a bushmaster AR and after firing rapidly then letting it sit for a minute with a round in the chamber the laquer had cooled in the chamber effectivly hardening and sealing the round to every nook and crany in the chamber. The ejector ripped the side of the round off and when I tried to hammer it out with a cleaning rod the back of the round just popped off. I had to take it to the gun smith to pull the rest of the round out. He told me that the laquer hardened and effectifly "welded the round to the chamber" its the equivilant to coating a round in JB weld then inserting it in the gun. After using steel cases and suffering the consequenses I will never use them in any other gun but the AK. Not to mention it took hours to clean the dirty unburnt carbon and residue out of the gun vs. fractions of an hour it takes to clean the gun after shooting brass. Think of it like this. You wouldn't put 87 octane in a formula 1 race car. So why would you put steel ammo in a precision gun like the AR.

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by nosaj3006

In reguards to the wolf steel cased ammo I agree that it should only be used in AK style rifles.

Um... HUH?!

Maybe if you went back and read some of my thread, you'd find I actually prefer to use Wolf .308Win in my CETME. Not to mention, I never said anything about it not working well in my last post.

[Enscribe]

The newer Wolf doesn't have the thick laquer coating that the old 7.62x39 did. The newer Wolf 7.62x39 I've seen is a clean metal look. There is the military classic and there is the Black Box. They are different. The use of Wolf ammo is a choice. Some prefer to make rude comments about how dirty it is and shoot brass. Some just prefer to not pay exorbinate prices for ammo. AR's have extremely tight tolerances. They are finicky and should only be used with what works. Most other military style firearms have allowances that don't interfere with whatever ammo. Use what you want, I'll buy the Wolf ammo that you don't buy I have used brass and Wolf or Silver Bear or Barnaul in my Cetme and only had 1 problem that was a result of a dirty flutes in my firearm.

[nosaj3006]

Sorry, didn't mean it to come accross rude. One of the downsides of text vs. talk. And I didn't realize there were 5 pages of text when I posted a reply. Though it was only one page and thought I was still on topic. Still its my thoughts and experiences with steel so Im throwing the rock back.

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by nosaj3006

Sorry, didn't mean it to come accross rude. One of the downsides of text vs. talk. And I didn't realize there were 5 pages of text when I posted a reply. Though it was only one page and thought I was still on topic. Still its my thoughts and experiences with steel so Im throwing the rock back.

Ooo! We get to play Rock-Catch; Yippee!!!

You are more than welcome to your thoughts, experiences and even your opinions, but what you posted was all in reference to AR's. This thread is located in a G3/CETME forum and is about a CETME.

Fortunately, the German engineers that developed the CETME (and later the H&K G3) while in Spain were smart enough to stay away from a gas impingement system, so the dirtiness of the ammo really doesn't matter until you have to clean the rifle... which then it's just an inconvenience, not the end of your life if you're in combat.

[nosaj3006]

Good point with the gas system. I did not wish to start a argument, no further comments needed.