CETME 308....good bad? - Page 2

just_a_car · 02-21-2008, 06:04 PM

Hey Big Dog, I use the Wolf .308Win and it's steel-cased with a lacquer coating. Never had any issue what-so-ever with it, except that it's very sooty and puts a lot of soot back in the action and all over the magazine follower. That makes for more cleaning, but it's worth it for the cheaper ammo.

I would imagine the steel wouldn't have the same issue that the brass cases would of being torn apart, due to the strength of the metal compared to the brass. Now if only they could make it a cleaner burning powder... it would be the overall "best" round for price and durability; I mean, it's not like we have to care about reloading cases after they're fired from our Spanish Ladies and end up with a dent or a bend from the ejection.

sell33 · 02-21-2008, 06:05 PM

Dont worry meatloaf you didn't discourage me it is still a toss up between cetme and AR i honestly am leaning towards AR at this point but once i have the money it will probably come down to what i can find first and cheapest....i tend to be an impulse buyer if i see what i want at a gun show and have the cash chances are i will take it home lol

LakerDad · 02-21-2008, 08:42 PM

Hey you all, this is what I like about this site, there's plenty of help, advice, knowledge, and I think I for one, can grow from this.
Big Dog, I agree that the Cetme is set up for the 7.62 x 51 military ammo, I don't know enough about the steel Wolf ammo, but would think it's strong enough to be handled in the Cetme, the commerical brass is the stuff I've read about that comes apart due to the thinner walls and higher PSI. I just figured I wouldn't try it mainly because of the troubles and the extra costs. I'll try to read more to justify the use of the Wolf when I run out of my surplus 7.62 x 51.

Don357, I agree with about the ammo, selecting the right ammo is a concern, LC is top notch ammo.
meatloaf, I didn't see that you were being negative either, I think you were and are trying to be the one to explain what needs goes with what guns, which is the info I like seeing.

Heck, I would be the one talking AR-15 if I had only went ahead and purchased the one I was looking at Wally World for $450 back in the early 80's.

Here a gun that I over look alot, one I wished I would of picked up for $350, again, back in the 80's, the Ruger Mini 14.
The Saiga has the .308 AK package and they are in the $400 area for a new gun. Sell33, you might want to check into these. At least you know that you're in the market for a new gun, right? Have Fun when you Githerdone!

sell33 · 02-21-2008, 11:36 PM

I agree this post has been great for me, i have been around firearms for about all of my life but mostly shotguns. I more recently have gotten into rifles though. I did have a mini 14 ranch that i loved but where i live in ohio there are so many people around that i decided at this point in my life i dont need a 223, so i traded down for a nice m77 22 mag. I have been wanting an AR for awhile and i shoudl have just saved and bought one before the mini, but i didn't, i was at a gun shop saw the mini and had to have it. Boom there went my AR money. That was a couple years ago, but now i would like one again. I have an aunt near Tulsa, OK that i am plannin on visiting a few times this year to varmint hunt in the summer and then deer hunt this next winter. soooo i need a good rifle. I have a winchester model 70 223 wssm available but i really want a semi auto assault style. but i also want accuracy. which is why i was leaning AR. I like the 308 round or possibly 243 or 6.8. I will jsut have to look around. anyone know anything about the accuracy of the Saiga 308?? By the way thanks for all the great info so far.

just_a_car · 02-21-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

anyone know anything about the accuracy of the Saiga 308?? By the way thanks for all the great info so far.

billy gets 1.5 MOA out of his side-rail-scoped Saiga .308Win.

sell33 · 02-21-2008, 11:53 PM

Hmm...so many rifles/styles to choose from. i guess i should jsut wait til i have the money i need lol

sean46953 · 02-22-2008, 12:18 AM

The CETME is a really nice rifle. I bought mine because I'm impatient and I went to get a FAL but it was gone and the CETME was there...still no FAL though...lol The recoil is sharp, but not too bad at all. John seems to think it's a little worse than it is, but the Mosin's hit harder, just seems to feel a little different. The scope mounting seems to be hit and miss. If you get a claw style like I've got, you'll need to do a little extra work involving a pin that helps it keep it's zero. As for accuracy, I've only put rounds out 100 yrds cause that's the longest range we have around here, but at 100 yrds mine is spot on! Really enjoyable rifle, but she does have her kinks here and there, I've only had to do a $20.00 repair to mine so far and I've probably put close to 300rds through. The part that broke was my fault (at least I think so) because I always stored it cocked cause I hadn't figured a way to de-cock it with out dry firing it and that caused my hammer spring to snap, so when I replaced that I replaced the trigger spring too. I'll tell you that the trigger pack on these can become a mess FAST if you're not careful. lol I've also figured out how to de-cock it with out completely dry firing too now, so I figure that should all be a problem of the past. As for price, $600 or less should be out there for a decent one. I bought mine for $400 plus tax about a year and a half ago, came with the black plastic furniture like the one in the picture you've got the link posted for. Infact, there's a small picture of mine next to my name in my signiture. Hope to see you back in here with stories to tell of your new CETME!

Take care, and good luck!

meatloaf · 02-22-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sean46953

The CETME is a really nice rifle. I bought mine because I'm impatient and I went to get a FAL but it was gone and the CETME was there...still no FAL though...lol The recoil is sharp, but not too bad at all. John seems to think it's a little worse than it is, but the Mosin's hit harder, just seems to feel a little different. The scope mounting seems to be hit and miss. If you get a claw style like I've got, you'll need to do a little extra work involving a pin that helps it keep it's zero. As for accuracy, I've only put rounds out 100 yrds cause that's the longest range we have around here, but at 100 yrds mine is spot on! Really enjoyable rifle, but she does have her kinks here and there, I've only had to do a $20.00 repair to mine so far and I've probably put close to 300rds through. The part that broke was my fault (at least I think so) because I always stored it cocked cause I hadn't figured a way to de-cock it with out dry firing it and that caused my hammer spring to snap, so when I replaced that I replaced the trigger spring too. I'll tell you that the trigger pack on these can become a mess FAST if you're not careful. lol I've also figured out how to de-cock it with out completely dry firing too now, so I figure that should all be a problem of the past. As for price, $600 or less should be out there for a decent one. I bought mine for $400 plus tax about a year and a half ago, came with the black plastic furniture like the one in the picture you've got the link posted for. Infact, there's a small picture of mine next to my name in my signiture. Hope to see you back in here with stories to tell of your new CETME!

Take care, and good luck!

SO ok I havnt figured out how to decock mine without dry firing it. I just dry fire because its a center fire and it shouldnt hurt it. Anyways how do you decock with out dryfire?

sean46953 · 02-22-2008, 03:15 PM

It's really more of a "soft″ dry fire. lol. Pull the bolt all the way back, then let it slide forward slowly till you feel an abrupt ease in tension, usually when you see the bolt carrier about halfway in the ejection port. Right when you feel that ease in the tension, squeeze the trigger and it should respond with a rather soft click. That's the sound of the hammer resting on the back of the bolt, not striking the pin. Let the bolt travel on forward to close. It won't lock closed because the action needs a little more force. I'll post a picture of about where the bolt is when you should pull the trigger later, I'm using my phone to post this right now though.

just_a_car · 02-22-2008, 07:33 PM

In addition to sean's advice: if you have to let the action down "softly" and the bolt doesn't seat, I've found that you can give a swift rearward "pat" with the heel of your palm to the front of the pistol-grip and it will "pop" the bolt into battery. Doesn't take all that much force either; you'll hear it click-in when it goes and you'll see the headspace go from about 1/4" to almost nothing.

sell33 · 02-22-2008, 07:43 PM

As for price, $600 or less should be out there for a decent one. I bought mine for $400 plus tax about a year and a half ago, came with the black plastic furniture like the one in the picture you've got the link posted for. Infact, there's a small picture of mine next to my name in my signiture. Hope to see you back in here with stories to tell of your new CETME!

Take care, and good luck![/quote]

Where did you find one for 400? everyone on here is saying how cheap they are but i've been looking on gunbroker and none seem near that cheap. i honestly would rather have an AR but i also want at 308 so in some ways i dont because the ARs in 308 are not cheap at all. A cetme for 4 or 500 would be amazing lol. Of course i've still got to save the money im just putting some ideas together

just_a_car · 02-22-2008, 08:13 PM

Just gotta know where to look:

GunBroker.com guns: HK CETME IN 308 NO RESERVE 95% CENTURY ARMS (item: 92944780 ends: Feb-23-08 06:02:58 PM)

Might also want to find out what this guy is selling his for:

Cetme Rifle For Sale - Survival Monkey Forums

LakerDad · 02-23-2008, 12:28 AM

Sell33, you may want to plan your visit to Tulsa in April and Oct. for their gun show, this is one large place, some 12 to 13 acres under one roof, I think. There is just about anything there and then some...saw a 2" gatling gun $65000.00, old and new items galore.
Keep your eyes open, that's basically that's how I came into my Cetme and the AK-47 both were found in the Shotgun News, pick one up at the grocery store/wally world or find a friend who gets it. It takes time. I remember my dad telling how he got his 1903 Springfield .30-06 from the American Rifleman for $13.00, I dreamed of all the surplus guns in the back of that magazine in the 1960's. Don't forget about the Saiga, my friend Ray was hitting pretty good with his a few days ago using Wolf ammo. It is even comes in the .30-06 flavor. I don't care for the magazines, the cost is a bit too much. Nice looking gun.
JAC, I really like the web site for M1surplus, very addicting.
sean46953, thanks for the dry fire advice!

big boomer · 02-23-2008, 12:43 AM

Where were you when I sold mine for 350. I lost about a hundred on that deal but needed the money. Mine worked well but I did not like the sights and nobody had a good scope mount at that time.

sell33 · 02-23-2008, 01:19 AM

lol wish i was here then boomer. I would love to go to tulsa in apr. or oct but these are class tiems for me so thats not possible. where im from in ohio there are some big gun shows. a couple places fairly close have them every month, probably only about 8 acres or so i would guess, but pretty big. Then every year there is one outdoor in Kenton, Ohio that is absolutely amazingly large lol. I honestly bet it covers like a hundred acres. That one is called Kenton Nationals. There are alwasy people there from all over the midwest. Whenever i have wanted a new gun i save up for this show and usually find what im looking for there. i guess its actually a flea marker so you can get anything there lol. I probably look forward to that more than anything else every year lol. If i dont have a new rifle by then i will hopefully have enough money and get one there.....

just_a_car · 02-23-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LakerDad

JAC, I really like the web site for M1surplus, very addicting.

It sure is, LD. Sometimes I just go there to drool.

There's just so much stuff I want to put on my CETME and my AES-10 that I can't afford right now.

Enscribe · 02-25-2008, 10:54 PM

Got my CETME Last weekend for $425.00 with five 20 rd. mags, H&K scope mount, extra grip, strap, the case, and the H&K stock and foreguard. Plus the wooden O.G.'s for just in case I want to get all nostalgic from the old days. But I like it a whole lot. I have done a huge amount of research on all the CETME/G3/PTR collection. CETME is the way to go. It's low priced, shoots cheap, you can get anything for this gun for under a hundred dollars if you look hard enough. The best part is that if you really really really like the gun you can upgrade and keep any and all of the add-ons you already have for the CETME. TITS battle rifle. now for the bad part. its all about the ammo. this was after firing about 30 rds. through it dirty as I bought it. Four kinds of ammo in ten round increments. The Fourth Brand (which I don't know the name of b/c I threw the box away, as it was a sure thing with steel casing, the night before and it was written in Russian/not WOLF) three shots the fourth did this(SEE PIC). VIOLENT ACTION throws my casings twenty feet hot as hell itself and bent up. AWESOME.
it's barely broke in and shoots strait at 100 yds. so far. Didn't have any problems with the others which were all brass and surplus from various regions. Stay away from Afganistani ammo, if you saw how it was made you would be scared.
Also if anybody thinks that a .308 CETME has a kick, try the Remington 300 Ultra mag. and feel your bones shift(The far right is a casing).
Love this site for the input and opinions by the way.
CETME POR VIDA

Enscribe · 02-26-2008, 07:55 AM

Love CETME's especially when they have the H&K furniture.
I picked up everything you see here for $445.00. Bought from a fellow enthusiast on another forum. Great rifle and extreme punching power. Shot a few rounds last weekend and had a blast. Even shot a bullet proof vest from the seventies that my brother in law had.( His dad was a cop.) I wouldn't step in front of this bullet wearing any armor. It was only rated to a .357 handgun (at max) Don't remeber the actual rating sorry.

Get a CETME don't be fooled by an AR or M4 or whatever you think you want. this rifle is the S*%# for real. And for a baller on a budget, you can't go wrong. Upgrades are cheap and readilly available right now.

The second picture was a failure that is very castastrophic or could have been. The bolt waas almost closed and had it not been a new rifle I probably would have been plinking much more rapidly instead of admiring her beautiful 20 ft. throw. The casings sheering off are definitely caused by all the factors people will tell you. Mainly Dirty Dirty guns. I shot this gun dirty as it came and almost paid for it. I shot three types of ammo, two surplus cased in brass, one Russian (not WOLF) it was totally in russian so who knows what its called. the brass cycled through no probs. when I got to the Russian another story. first round shoots, second round shoots ( still admiring the toss of the casings to my right smacking my Brother in laws truck) Third round shoots......I notice the bolt carrier is slightly open? Try to eject the casing manualy and it's jammed. After some five minutes of fanagling I got what you see in the middle of the picture. A round had sheered the whole upper off inside my chamber and then rechambered the next round. Almost KABOOM.
So It's the difference in expansion(steel to brass), the strength of the metal when very hot(steel isn't as soft and flexible), and the carbon in the chamber of the dirty dirty rifle making it minutely smaller so it sticks when it expands. Not to mention the Violence of the action itself.
I'll stick to brass.

just_a_car · 02-26-2008, 03:59 PM

First off, Enscribe, Welcome to the forums! We need more CETME owners on here.

Man, you got that for a steal! The claw mount and synthetic H&K forearm aren't cheap accessories.

You are both a lucky and smart man (I assume, as it doesn't say male or female in your profile)... that could have been quite the disaster and likely a full-on kB! with injury and/or death.

I've never had that problem with the hundreds of rounds of Wolf steel-cased I've shot, but it's definitely something to watch for no matter what kind of ammo you're firing. Always make sure to "feel" for the bolt going home. I know I can feel it when the action goes forward if it actually goes home or doesn't. It was a different feeling between going home with a nice K-chunk or sort of a cut-off 'K-ch...' when I had a round that didn't feed properly.

Enscribe · 02-26-2008, 04:25 PM

I forgot to say that anyone who thinks the CETME .308 is a hard kicker try to get your hands on a Remington 300 Ultra Mag. that'll let you feel your bones quivering. I shot two rounds from my co-workers rifle (About $4.00). Let's just say it had been a week and I could feel it when shooting last weekend. I'm no newb to rifles either, so no smart remarks on that one -k-. ( A picture of a casing is on the far right of my second pic. as compared to a .308) you want some major velocity, 300 Ultra Mag.'s your next bet. I can only imagine what this round would do when hunting.(I've never been into deer that much, they're not hard to find or get close to in CO., but I may try Elk one day.)
Thanks for the welcome just an awesome car. The feel best describes to me what shooting is. I about crapped myself when I saw the guys price, and it had been posted for two weeks with no offers. She's an untouched beauty, she is. Guy spent more time buying parts than shooting her. Then ran out of money and they had to part ways. Never again She's mine! No name yet, I was unaware of this tradition but She'll have to be deserving.

02-21-2008, 06:04 PM	#21
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,504	Hey Big Dog, I use the Wolf .308Win and it's steel-cased with a lacquer coating. Never had any issue what-so-ever with it, except that it's very sooty and puts a lot of soot back in the action and all over the magazine follower. That makes for more cleaning, but it's worth it for the cheaper ammo. I would imagine the steel wouldn't have the same issue that the brass cases would of being torn apart, due to the strength of the metal compared to the brass. Now if only they could make it a cleaner burning powder... it would be the overall "best" round for price and durability; I mean, it's not like we have to care about reloading cases after they're fired from our Spanish Ladies and end up with a dent or a bend from the ejection. __________________

02-22-2008, 12:18 AM	#27
sean46953 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marion, Indiana Posts: 357	The CETME is a really nice rifle. I bought mine because I'm impatient and I went to get a FAL but it was gone and the CETME was there...still no FAL though...lol The recoil is sharp, but not too bad at all. John seems to think it's a little worse than it is, but the Mosin's hit harder, just seems to feel a little different. The scope mounting seems to be hit and miss. If you get a claw style like I've got, you'll need to do a little extra work involving a pin that helps it keep it's zero. As for accuracy, I've only put rounds out 100 yrds cause that's the longest range we have around here, but at 100 yrds mine is spot on! Really enjoyable rifle, but she does have her kinks here and there, I've only had to do a $20.00 repair to mine so far and I've probably put close to 300rds through. The part that broke was my fault (at least I think so) because I always stored it cocked cause I hadn't figured a way to de-cock it with out dry firing it and that caused my hammer spring to snap, so when I replaced that I replaced the trigger spring too. I'll tell you that the trigger pack on these can become a mess FAST if you're not careful. lol I've also figured out how to de-cock it with out completely dry firing too now, so I figure that should all be a problem of the past. As for price, $600 or less should be out there for a decent one. I bought mine for $400 plus tax about a year and a half ago, came with the black plastic furniture like the one in the picture you've got the link posted for. Infact, there's a small picture of mine next to my name in my signiture. Hope to see you back in here with stories to tell of your new CETME! Take care, and good luck! __________________ http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...00_0535100.jpgSean M. Hartman

02-22-2008, 03:15 PM	#29
sean46953 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marion, Indiana Posts: 357	It's really more of a "soft″ dry fire. lol. Pull the bolt all the way back, then let it slide forward slowly till you feel an abrupt ease in tension, usually when you see the bolt carrier about halfway in the ejection port. Right when you feel that ease in the tension, squeeze the trigger and it should respond with a rather soft click. That's the sound of the hammer resting on the back of the bolt, not striking the pin. Let the bolt travel on forward to close. It won't lock closed because the action needs a little more force. I'll post a picture of about where the bolt is when you should pull the trigger later, I'm using my phone to post this right now though. __________________ http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...00_0535100.jpgSean M. Hartman

02-22-2008, 07:33 PM	#30
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,504	In addition to sean's advice: if you have to let the action down "softly" and the bolt doesn't seat, I've found that you can give a swift rearward "pat" with the heel of your palm to the front of the pistol-grip and it will "pop" the bolt into battery. Doesn't take all that much force either; you'll hear it click-in when it goes and you'll see the headspace go from about 1/4" to almost nothing. __________________

02-22-2008, 08:13 PM	#32
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,504	Just gotta know where to look: GunBroker.com guns: HK CETME IN 308 NO RESERVE 95% CENTURY ARMS (item: 92944780 ends: Feb-23-08 06:02:58 PM) Might also want to find out what this guy is selling his for: Cetme Rifle For Sale - Survival Monkey Forums __________________

02-21-2008, 06:05 PM	#22
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Dont worry meatloaf you didn't discourage me it is still a toss up between cetme and AR i honestly am leaning towards AR at this point but once i have the money it will probably come down to what i can find first and cheapest....i tend to be an impulse buyer if i see what i want at a gun show and have the cash chances are i will take it home lol

02-21-2008, 08:42 PM	#23
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 207	Hey you all, this is what I like about this site, there's plenty of help, advice, knowledge, and I think I for one, can grow from this. Big Dog, I agree that the Cetme is set up for the 7.62 x 51 military ammo, I don't know enough about the steel Wolf ammo, but would think it's strong enough to be handled in the Cetme, the commerical brass is the stuff I've read about that comes apart due to the thinner walls and higher PSI. I just figured I wouldn't try it mainly because of the troubles and the extra costs. I'll try to read more to justify the use of the Wolf when I run out of my surplus 7.62 x 51. Don357, I agree with about the ammo, selecting the right ammo is a concern, LC is top notch ammo. meatloaf, I didn't see that you were being negative either, I think you were and are trying to be the one to explain what needs goes with what guns, which is the info I like seeing. Heck, I would be the one talking AR-15 if I had only went ahead and purchased the one I was looking at Wally World for $450 back in the early 80's. Here a gun that I over look alot, one I wished I would of picked up for $350, again, back in the 80's, the Ruger Mini 14. The Saiga has the .308 AK package and they are in the $400 area for a new gun. Sell33, you might want to check into these. At least you know that you're in the market for a new gun, right? Have Fun when you Githerdone!

02-21-2008, 11:36 PM	#24
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	I agree this post has been great for me, i have been around firearms for about all of my life but mostly shotguns. I more recently have gotten into rifles though. I did have a mini 14 ranch that i loved but where i live in ohio there are so many people around that i decided at this point in my life i dont need a 223, so i traded down for a nice m77 22 mag. I have been wanting an AR for awhile and i shoudl have just saved and bought one before the mini, but i didn't, i was at a gun shop saw the mini and had to have it. Boom there went my AR money. That was a couple years ago, but now i would like one again. I have an aunt near Tulsa, OK that i am plannin on visiting a few times this year to varmint hunt in the summer and then deer hunt this next winter. soooo i need a good rifle. I have a winchester model 70 223 wssm available but i really want a semi auto assault style. but i also want accuracy. which is why i was leaning AR. I like the 308 round or possibly 243 or 6.8. I will jsut have to look around. anyone know anything about the accuracy of the Saiga 308?? By the way thanks for all the great info so far.

02-21-2008, 11:53 PM	#26
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Hmm...so many rifles/styles to choose from. i guess i should jsut wait til i have the money i need lol

02-22-2008, 07:43 PM	#31
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	As for price, $600 or less should be out there for a decent one. I bought mine for $400 plus tax about a year and a half ago, came with the black plastic furniture like the one in the picture you've got the link posted for. Infact, there's a small picture of mine next to my name in my signiture. Hope to see you back in here with stories to tell of your new CETME! Take care, and good luck![/quote] Where did you find one for 400? everyone on here is saying how cheap they are but i've been looking on gunbroker and none seem near that cheap. i honestly would rather have an AR but i also want at 308 so in some ways i dont because the ARs in 308 are not cheap at all. A cetme for 4 or 500 would be amazing lol. Of course i've still got to save the money im just putting some ideas together

02-23-2008, 12:28 AM	#33
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 207	Sell33, you may want to plan your visit to Tulsa in April and Oct. for their gun show, this is one large place, some 12 to 13 acres under one roof, I think. There is just about anything there and then some...saw a 2" gatling gun $65000.00, old and new items galore. Keep your eyes open, that's basically that's how I came into my Cetme and the AK-47 both were found in the Shotgun News, pick one up at the grocery store/wally world or find a friend who gets it. It takes time. I remember my dad telling how he got his 1903 Springfield .30-06 from the American Rifleman for $13.00, I dreamed of all the surplus guns in the back of that magazine in the 1960's. Don't forget about the Saiga, my friend Ray was hitting pretty good with his a few days ago using Wolf ammo. It is even comes in the .30-06 flavor. I don't care for the magazines, the cost is a bit too much. Nice looking gun. JAC, I really like the web site for M1surplus, very addicting. sean46953, thanks for the dry fire advice!

02-23-2008, 12:43 AM	#34
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 939	Where were you when I sold mine for 350. I lost about a hundred on that deal but needed the money. Mine worked well but I did not like the sights and nobody had a good scope mount at that time.

02-23-2008, 01:19 AM	#35
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	lol wish i was here then boomer. I would love to go to tulsa in apr. or oct but these are class tiems for me so thats not possible. where im from in ohio there are some big gun shows. a couple places fairly close have them every month, probably only about 8 acres or so i would guess, but pretty big. Then every year there is one outdoor in Kenton, Ohio that is absolutely amazingly large lol. I honestly bet it covers like a hundred acres. That one is called Kenton Nationals. There are alwasy people there from all over the midwest. Whenever i have wanted a new gun i save up for this show and usually find what im looking for there. i guess its actually a flea marker so you can get anything there lol. I probably look forward to that more than anything else every year lol. If i dont have a new rifle by then i will hopefully have enough money and get one there.....

02-26-2008, 03:59 PM	#39
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,504	First off, Enscribe, Welcome to the forums! We need more CETME owners on here. Man, you got that for a *steal! The claw mount and synthetic H&K forearm aren't cheap accessories. You are both a lucky and smart man (I assume, as it doesn't say male or female in your profile)... that could have been quite the disaster and likely a full-on kB! with injury and/or death. I've never had that problem with the hundreds of rounds of Wolf steel-cased I've shot, but it's definitely something to watch for no matter what kind of ammo you're firing. Always make sure to "feel*" for the bolt going home. I know I can feel it when the action goes forward if it actually goes home or doesn't. It was a different feeling between going home with a nice K-chunk or sort of a cut-off 'K-ch...' when I had a round that didn't feed properly. __________________

02-26-2008, 04:25 PM	#40
Enscribe Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 116	I forgot to say that anyone who thinks the CETME .308 is a hard kicker try to get your hands on a Remington 300 Ultra Mag. that'll let you feel your bones quivering. I shot two rounds from my co-workers rifle (About $4.00). Let's just say it had been a week and I could feel it when shooting last weekend. I'm no newb to rifles either, so no smart remarks on that one -k-. ( A picture of a casing is on the far right of my second pic. as compared to a .308) you want some major velocity, 300 Ultra Mag.'s your next bet. I can only imagine what this round would do when hunting.(I've never been into deer that much, they're not hard to find or get close to in CO., but I may try Elk one day.) Thanks for the welcome just an awesome car. The feel best describes to me what shooting is. I about crapped myself when I saw the guys price, and it had been posted for two weeks with no offers. She's an untouched beauty, she is. Guy spent more time buying parts than shooting her. Then ran out of money and they had to part ways. Never again She's mine! No name yet, I was unaware of this tradition but She'll have to be deserving.