help with trigger pack assembly

crazyivan.1 · 06-03-2008, 10:47 AM

I'm new to the fourm and need some help. I have a centry built cetme and I took it to the range to shoot. about every 4th or 5th round would stovepipe or the bolt would slam on an unfired round. someone told me to clean it real good and it might take care of itself. well I got a take down guide and all went well untill it came time to put the trigger pack back together, now all of a sudden the pics in the book look more like the H&K G3. now I have a triggerpack in pieces and no idea how it all goes back to gether. please any help at all is great. Thanks in advance..

just_a_car · 06-04-2008, 01:25 AM

Ivan, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but the #1 thing to cleaning the CETME is to never disassemble the trigger pack if you don't have to; now you know why. If you had come and asked here first, that would have prevented this situation, but now that the damage is done, let's see what we can do.

Here are a couple of very good pages on disassembly and assembly of the trigger pack. There are different models of packs and your's may be different, which is why the author says it's for his own edification, not to be relied upon by others:
triggerdisassembly
triggerassembly.page

Take a very close look at those and see if you can get it all back together. Once you do, don't take it apart again if not necessary. Heck, I only take the lower receiver off and get at it with Q-tips. That does a decent enough job of cleaning out the gunk in there for proper function.

I read your other account of your problem and it sounds somewhat similar to my issues. Please take a look at my thread and see if it doesn't sound similar. If so, you may need new mag springs: (I couldn't hold out).

crazyivan.1 · 06-04-2008, 06:30 PM

Hey JUST A CAR, Man you are my new hero, this is just what I was looking for. All the parts look right and I will try to get it back to gether this weekend. And you can bet I will never take it apart again. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Also the problem with dented rounds sounds like the same thing that's happining to my rifle, I will do a little experimenting and let you know what i found out. Thanks again..
Ivan.

just_a_car · 06-05-2008, 05:30 PM

Glad I could help. When you get your Spanish Lady back together, treat us to some pictures!

crazyivan.1 · 06-05-2008, 05:32 PM

Well I got my trigger pack back together today. all went great, she works like new. I can't thank you enough. If there is anything I can do for you , just ask. If you are ever in the Ft. Bragg, Fayetteville N.C. area stop in and we can do some shooting. Thanks again.
Ivan.

I will post some pics when I can figure out how to. I got the H&K plastic stocks and I'm not shure which one I like best. I promise I'll post some pics as soon as I can.
Ivan

LakerDad · 06-06-2008, 09:11 PM

This is another example of the nice people on here that helps others and the great bonding atmosphere...thanks just a car, I knew you would be along to help a CETME friend out. I know where to turn

Both of my CRTME and Norinco AK dent the empty while it is ejecting, could this be an area that is jamming your rifle??? Just an observation. Is there a rail that diverts the rounds during ejection? Thanks (a happy CETME gunner) much better than throwing rocks

Mike Franklin · 06-06-2008, 09:25 PM

Do not waste your money buying the so called 'jungle forearm', very thin straight looking, for a CETME or an HK rifle. It heats up so badly that you can't hold onto the thing. The fat wide one is the way to go although it does get some hot. I carried a highly modified HK 91 as a rifle when I was a Police Sniper. Wooden furniture used to be available and I always wanted to try it but that gun gets hotter than any semi-auto I've ever carried.

crazyivan.1 · 06-08-2008, 06:11 PM

I just Put the new plastic O.D. green stocks on the rifle and It makes it look more military than the wood, but I can see where it would make it more hot to hold. The wood has the holes drilled into it . I just came back from the gun show and a vendor had a set of wood stocks that looked real nice. I haven,t shot since putting the trigger pack back together yet so I'm not shure how she'll do, so I think I'll leave the plastic stocks on and see how hot she can get. I think this rifle dents the case on ejection on purpose, all the brass I picked up were dented. I don't know if this is the same with all of them, but I know that mine does. And It throws the empty out with some force. Some of the cases were allmost 20 feet away. And what is the deal with the ground down bolt? why did they do that? Is the rifle safe to shoot with this. I checked my bolt gap and it's good. The rifle shoots good and with some accuracy, Even with the feed and ejection problems it's still fun to shoot. I need to buy some ammo for her now and go shooting.
IVAN

LakerDad · 06-09-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyivan.1

I just Put the new plastic O.D. green stocks on the rifle and It makes it look more military than the wood, but I can see where it would make it more hot to hold. The wood has the holes drilled into it . I just came back from the gun show and a vendor had a set of wood stocks that looked real nice. I haven,t shot since putting the trigger pack back together yet so I'm not shure how she'll do, so I think I'll leave the plastic stocks on and see how hot she can get. I think this rifle dents the case on ejection on purpose, all the brass I picked up were dented. I don't know if this is the same with all of them, but I know that mine does. And It throws the empty out with some force. Some of the cases were allmost 20 feet away. And what is the deal with the ground down bolt? why did they do that? Is the rifle safe to shoot with this. I checked my bolt gap and it's good. The rifle shoots good and with some accuracy, Even with the feed and ejection problems it's still fun to shoot. I need to buy some ammo for her now and go shooting.
IVAN

the denting may have been a way to keep people [enemy] from reloading a good round, both of my AK and Cetme throw the emties a lonnngggg ways. You don't want to be on the side of the ejection that's for sure.

crazyivan.1 · 06-09-2008, 03:37 PM

Yea a friend of mine can tell you all about that, caseing hit him right in the neck. He was a good way off so it didn't hurt him, shure woke him up tho.

Billyz · 06-13-2008, 01:49 AM

They are meant to throw brass about 20 feet. Its great fun at the range. LMAO

Enscribe · 06-13-2008, 06:56 AM

My buddy has a WASR Century AK-47 and it doesn't dent shells at all. In the Cetme however, the dent can be prevented with a Shell deflector welded on. It will cause the casings to fall about five feet away instead af 20+ and I've heard that the casings aren't dented. althoug you probably will need a good scrubber if you want to reload due to the fluting/gas marks on the empties. If for some reason your trigger won't work you can buy a cetme or H&K trigger pack at G3 Parts - HK91 Parts - HK 91 Parts - HK-91 Parts - HK Parts - Cetme Parts - Original German HK Parts
Cetme Parts! bottom of page.
And just to concur with the comments, JAC your one hell of a guy.

crazyivan.1 · 06-16-2008, 06:29 PM

I got my trigger pack back together(thanks again to Just A Car). I haven't shot it yet , I was going to go Sunday but the weather was bad. I think it will be OK, but will see. I am going to clean my magazines and see if that helps with the feeding problems. I'm going to work the chargeing handle to see if that works her in, hopefully that will help too.

Enscribe · 06-16-2008, 07:15 PM

good luck, the more you shoot her the more you'll narrow it down.

Just a thought but why are people in need if nice days to go shoot? weather only makes the experience better in my opinion. Except 25+ winds, that can be frustrating.
HAPPY SHOOTING.

just_a_car · 06-17-2008, 12:22 AM

Don't praise me too much, fellas.

I just knew where to find the info; I didn't go to all the trouble to break it down, put it back together and take pictures the whole way like the person I linked to.

I'm good at finding things, especially on the internet... for that I'll take credit and thanks, humbly.

crazyivan.1 · 06-18-2008, 06:20 PM

The weather didn't matter too much to me, but my partner who owns the land didn't want to go so that kinda left me out too. JAC, I will sing your praise, cause you were nice enough to share the info with me, and without it I would be sunk. So in my book you are a hell of a good guy. I'm going out to shoot this Sunday for shure. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

crazyivan.1 · 07-09-2008, 06:56 PM

went shooting last weekend, she is getting better,only had 2 failure to feed out of 40 rounds .

sean46953 · 07-10-2008, 12:17 AM

Well, that's not too terrible. Especially depending on the ammo you used. Last time I shot my Spanish Lady....She gave me hell in problems...still haven't toyed with it any since then because I haven't had the money to shoot lately. lol Oh well, some day I will have her running well again....So, what type of ammo were you using that last time you went and shot her, CrazyIvan?

crazyivan.1 · 07-10-2008, 03:58 PM

I used some surplus santa barbara that i had when I first got her. I need to get some more ammo. The last time I went to a gun show they had some south african nato. 140 rounds for 75.00$ I should kick myself for not getting it then. I think that my mag springs may be weak , 'cause the last rounds out were the ones that didn't feed. I wonder if I can stretch them out some? I hear ya about not haveing the mony to shoot, I just put braces on my daughters teeth, man that hurt.

sean46953 · 07-11-2008, 12:25 AM

Too bad you can't sell them as USED when she is done with them! lol Maybe you can, I mean there is Ebay now...Anything and everything is be sold there! lol

06-04-2008, 01:25 AM	#2
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	Ivan, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but the #1 thing to cleaning the CETME is to never disassemble the trigger pack if you don't have to; now you know why. If you had come and asked here first, that would have prevented this situation, but now that the damage is done, let's see what we can do. Here are a couple of very good pages on disassembly and assembly of the trigger pack. There are different models of packs and your's may be different, which is why the author says it's for his own edification, not to be relied upon by others: triggerdisassembly triggerassembly.page Take a very close look at those and see if you can get it all back together. Once you do, don't take it apart again if not necessary. Heck, I only take the lower receiver off and get at it with Q-tips. That does a decent enough job of cleaning out the gunk in there for proper function. I read your other account of your problem and it sounds somewhat similar to my issues. Please take a look at my thread and see if it doesn't sound similar. If so, you may need new mag springs: (I couldn't hold out). __________________

06-05-2008, 05:30 PM	#4
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	Glad I could help. When you get your Spanish Lady back together, treat us to some pictures! __________________

06-05-2008, 05:32 PM	#5
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	Just a car, you rule! Well I got my trigger pack back together today. all went great, she works like new. I can't thank you enough. If there is anything I can do for you , just ask. If you are ever in the Ft. Bragg, Fayetteville N.C. area stop in and we can do some shooting. Thanks again. Ivan. I will post some pics when I can figure out how to. I got the H&K plastic stocks and I'm not shure which one I like best. I promise I'll post some pics as soon as I can. Ivan Last edited by crazyivan.1; 06-05-2008 at 05:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

06-06-2008, 09:25 PM	#7
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,277 Trader Rating: (0)	Do not waste your money buying the so called 'jungle forearm', very thin straight looking, for a CETME or an HK rifle. It heats up so badly that you can't hold onto the thing. The fat wide one is the way to go although it does get some hot. I carried a highly modified HK 91 as a rifle when I was a Police Sniper. Wooden furniture used to be available and I always wanted to try it but that gun gets hotter than any semi-auto I've ever carried. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

06-13-2008, 01:49 AM	#11
Billyz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0)	They are meant to throw brass about 20 feet. Its great fun at the range. LMAO __________________ COG #47

06-03-2008, 10:47 AM	#1
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	help with trigger pack assembly I'm new to the fourm and need some help. I have a centry built cetme and I took it to the range to shoot. about every 4th or 5th round would stovepipe or the bolt would slam on an unfired round. someone told me to clean it real good and it might take care of itself. well I got a take down guide and all went well untill it came time to put the trigger pack back together, now all of a sudden the pics in the book look more like the H&K G3. now I have a triggerpack in pieces and no idea how it all goes back to gether. please any help at all is great. Thanks in advance..

06-04-2008, 06:30 PM	#3
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	Hey JUST A CAR, Man you are my new hero, this is just what I was looking for. All the parts look right and I will try to get it back to gether this weekend. And you can bet I will never take it apart again. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Also the problem with dented rounds sounds like the same thing that's happining to my rifle, I will do a little experimenting and let you know what i found out. Thanks again.. Ivan.

06-06-2008, 09:11 PM	#6
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 189 Trader Rating: (0)	This is another example of the nice people on here that helps others and the great bonding atmosphere...thanks just a car, I knew you would be along to help a CETME friend out. I know where to turn Both of my CRTME and Norinco AK dent the empty while it is ejecting, could this be an area that is jamming your rifle??? Just an observation. Is there a rail that diverts the rounds during ejection? Thanks (a happy CETME gunner) much better than throwing rocks

06-08-2008, 06:11 PM	#8
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	I just Put the new plastic O.D. green stocks on the rifle and It makes it look more military than the wood, but I can see where it would make it more hot to hold. The wood has the holes drilled into it . I just came back from the gun show and a vendor had a set of wood stocks that looked real nice. I haven,t shot since putting the trigger pack back together yet so I'm not shure how she'll do, so I think I'll leave the plastic stocks on and see how hot she can get. I think this rifle dents the case on ejection on purpose, all the brass I picked up were dented. I don't know if this is the same with all of them, but I know that mine does. And It throws the empty out with some force. Some of the cases were allmost 20 feet away. And what is the deal with the ground down bolt? why did they do that? Is the rifle safe to shoot with this. I checked my bolt gap and it's good. The rifle shoots good and with some accuracy, Even with the feed and ejection problems it's still fun to shoot. I need to buy some ammo for her now and go shooting. IVAN

06-09-2008, 03:37 PM	#10
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	Yea a friend of mine can tell you all about that, caseing hit him right in the neck. He was a good way off so it didn't hurt him, shure woke him up tho.

06-13-2008, 06:56 AM	#12
Enscribe Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 77 Trader Rating: (0)	My buddy has a WASR Century AK-47 and it doesn't dent shells at all. In the Cetme however, the dent can be prevented with a Shell deflector welded on. It will cause the casings to fall about five feet away instead af 20+ and I've heard that the casings aren't dented. althoug you probably will need a good scrubber if you want to reload due to the fluting/gas marks on the empties. If for some reason your trigger won't work you can buy a cetme or H&K trigger pack at G3 Parts - HK91 Parts - HK 91 Parts - HK-91 Parts - HK Parts - Cetme Parts - Original German HK Parts Cetme Parts! bottom of page. And just to concur with the comments, JAC your one hell of a guy.

06-16-2008, 06:29 PM	#13
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	I got my trigger pack back together(thanks again to Just A Car). I haven't shot it yet , I was going to go Sunday but the weather was bad. I think it will be OK, but will see. I am going to clean my magazines and see if that helps with the feeding problems. I'm going to work the chargeing handle to see if that works her in, hopefully that will help too.

06-16-2008, 07:15 PM	#14
Enscribe Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 77 Trader Rating: (0)	good luck, the more you shoot her the more you'll narrow it down. Just a thought but why are people in need if nice days to go shoot? weather only makes the experience better in my opinion. Except 25+ winds, that can be frustrating. HAPPY SHOOTING.

06-17-2008, 12:22 AM	#15
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	Don't praise me too much, fellas. I just knew where to find the info; I didn't go to all the trouble to break it down, put it back together and take pictures the whole way like the person I linked to. I'm good at finding things, especially on the internet... for that I'll take credit and thanks, humbly. __________________

06-18-2008, 06:20 PM	#16
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	The weather didn't matter too much to me, but my partner who owns the land didn't want to go so that kinda left me out too. JAC, I will sing your praise, cause you were nice enough to share the info with me, and without it I would be sunk. So in my book you are a hell of a good guy. I'm going out to shoot this Sunday for shure. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

07-09-2008, 06:56 PM	#17
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	went shooting last weekend, she is getting better,only had 2 failure to feed out of 40 rounds .

07-10-2008, 12:17 AM	#18
sean46953 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marion, Indiana Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, that's not too terrible. Especially depending on the ammo you used. Last time I shot my Spanish Lady....She gave me hell in problems...still haven't toyed with it any since then because I haven't had the money to shoot lately. lol Oh well, some day I will have her running well again....So, what type of ammo were you using that last time you went and shot her, CrazyIvan? __________________ http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...00_0535100.jpgSean M. Hartman

07-10-2008, 03:58 PM	#19
crazyivan.1 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fayetteville N.C. Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	I used some surplus santa barbara that i had when I first got her. I need to get some more ammo. The last time I went to a gun show they had some south african nato. 140 rounds for 75.00$ I should kick myself for not getting it then. I think that my mag springs may be weak , 'cause the last rounds out were the ones that didn't feed. I wonder if I can stretch them out some? I hear ya about not haveing the mony to shoot, I just put braces on my daughters teeth, man that hurt.

07-11-2008, 12:25 AM	#20
sean46953 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Marion, Indiana Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (0)	Too bad you can't sell them as USED when she is done with them! lol Maybe you can, I mean there is Ebay now...Anything and everything is be sold there! lol __________________ http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...00_0535100.jpgSean M. Hartman