I kinda know why/how what's your take?

jerry · 09-19-2004, 08:45 PM

I did it to myself twice this year so far. In the heat of battle (hunting) Iv'e ejected a live round from my 870 and Model 31 while shooting.

I shoot at a dove or squirrell to be specific, actuate the action, look down and there is an empty and a live round on the ground. I check the chamber and it is hot with a live round in the chamber.

I end up picking the live one up, dusting it off, putting it in the mag tube along with another from my pocket.

I can tell you, as cool and calm as I can be, the adrenilin still gets going good even on small game. Guess I wouldn't hunt if it didn't.

This seems like it could be a bad thing if someone is shooting back at you. Iv'e never had this issue before. Is it some sort of subconcious mental block or lapse?

09-19-2004, 09:34 PM

never even heard of it until now..

Big Dog · 09-20-2004, 05:05 AM

Too many bad movies encroaching into our subconcious? Seems in the movies, they always rack the slide, even if they've been in the hotzone for several minutes.

jerry · 09-20-2004, 05:28 AM

not a movie thing. more of a numnutz thing. There is no depressing of the slide release, it's after/during a shot. Mabe happened once before a long time ago. Just wierd it's happend twice inside of 3 weeks with two different guns.

Oh, Iv'e also managed to jam my 870 before, don't ask how, I really don't know.

My son has locked up his mossy before. He had the chambered round going in nose down in the carrier them slid the slide foreward. Gun don't like that.

ScottD · 09-20-2004, 10:26 AM

Pump guns must be forcefully be cycled all the way to the rear, or short stroking can jam them, then just as forcefully slammed to the front.

I have noticed than when slowly cycling the action shells do funny things.

jerry · 09-20-2004, 05:29 PM

Makes sense to me Scott.
I can't get it out of my head about what happened. I think I fired, ejected the M-T ok, then chambered another. This is where it gets tricky, I think.

I don't think I went all the way into locked battery with round #2. in all the excitement, I think my brain thought I fired again, sending a signal to the other part of the noggin to pump the gun. Hence ejecting the live round on the ground right next to the M-T (or close by it)

Iv'e been shooting a pump my whole life. Never really had the problem as mentioned.

Iv'e taken physical and phycological factors into account. Iv'e been highly stressed lately. Would this cause ones timing to be off to the extent they can't operate a pump gun effectively? I'm grasping for straws here.

09-20-2004, 05:41 PM

sounds like "Buck Fever" to me :nod:

jerry · 09-21-2004, 06:01 AM

no, I just think I'm loosing my noodle :insane:

junkie · 09-21-2004, 02:32 PM

Jerry I would suspect that the live round is coming out of the magazine as the action is going forward.
This has happened to me several times. The shell catch under the gun has to move up as the action is closed. If the magazine catch does not stop the shell behind the one going into the chamber then as the shell catch moves up that shell pops out on the ground.
My solution was to take apart( Which is always #1), then clean things up and it worked like a champ.
Hope this helps

And yes you are losing your noodle.

jerry · 09-21-2004, 04:02 PM

That makes sense junkie. Thanks, I'll try anything to avoid that again, embarassing!

09-20-2004, 05:05 AM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 9,844	Too many bad movies encroaching into our subconcious? Seems in the movies, they always rack the slide, even if they've been in the hotzone for several minutes. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

09-20-2004, 05:28 AM	#4
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,750	not a movie thing. more of a numnutz thing. There is no depressing of the slide release, it's after/during a shot. Mabe happened once before a long time ago. Just wierd it's happend twice inside of 3 weeks with two different guns. Oh, Iv'e also managed to jam my 870 before, don't ask how, I really don't know. My son has locked up his mossy before. He had the chambered round going in nose down in the carrier them slid the slide foreward. Gun don't like that. __________________

09-20-2004, 10:26 AM	#5
ScottD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Evanston, IL Posts: 1,020	Pump guns must be forcefully be cycled all the way to the rear, or short stroking can jam them, then just as forcefully slammed to the front. I have noticed than when slowly cycling the action shells do funny things. __________________ "Some people can not live without wilderness"-Aldo Leopold

09-20-2004, 05:29 PM	#6
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,750	Makes sense to me Scott. I can't get it out of my head about what happened. I think I fired, ejected the M-T ok, then chambered another. This is where it gets tricky, I think. I don't think I went all the way into locked battery with round #2. in all the excitement, I think my brain thought I fired again, sending a signal to the other part of the noggin to pump the gun. Hence ejecting the live round on the ground right next to the M-T (or close by it) Iv'e been shooting a pump my whole life. Never really had the problem as mentioned. Iv'e taken physical and phycological factors into account. Iv'e been highly stressed lately. Would this cause ones timing to be off to the extent they can't operate a pump gun effectively? I'm grasping for straws here. __________________

09-21-2004, 06:01 AM	#8
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,750	no, I just think I'm loosing my noodle :insane: __________________

09-19-2004, 08:45 PM	#1
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,750	I kinda know why/how what's your take? I did it to myself twice this year so far. In the heat of battle (hunting) Iv'e ejected a live round from my 870 and Model 31 while shooting. I shoot at a dove or squirrell to be specific, actuate the action, look down and there is an empty and a live round on the ground. I check the chamber and it is hot with a live round in the chamber. I end up picking the live one up, dusting it off, putting it in the mag tube along with another from my pocket. I can tell you, as cool and calm as I can be, the adrenilin still gets going good even on small game. Guess I wouldn't hunt if it didn't. This seems like it could be a bad thing if someone is shooting back at you. Iv'e never had this issue before. Is it some sort of subconcious mental block or lapse? __________________

09-19-2004, 09:34 PM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	never even heard of it until now..

09-20-2004, 05:41 PM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	sounds like "Buck Fever" to me :nod:

09-21-2004, 02:32 PM	#9
junkie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Idaho Posts: 173	Jerry I would suspect that the live round is coming out of the magazine as the action is going forward. This has happened to me several times. The shell catch under the gun has to move up as the action is closed. If the magazine catch does not stop the shell behind the one going into the chamber then as the shell catch moves up that shell pops out on the ground. My solution was to take apart( Which is always #1), then clean things up and it worked like a champ. Hope this helps And yes you are losing your noodle.

09-21-2004, 04:02 PM	#10
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,750	That makes sense junkie. Thanks, I'll try anything to avoid that again, embarassing! __________________

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