There Is A Void In The Gun Market.........

PAPA G · 03-07-2003, 02:50 PM

i would like to see someone bring back an up dated breaktop pocket pistol. IJ and H&R used to make a gob of them.

made in newer materials, an improved latching system, auto ejection. i would buy one.

any thought on this???

Big Dog · 03-07-2003, 06:44 PM

I like 'em too, especially the old S&W top breaks. They can be quick to reload, and easy to clean.

Michael M · 03-11-2003, 09:24 PM

Uberti (and S&W)makes a Schofield replica, as well as 44 Russian. I have the Schofield, and am still saving up for the Russian. The one I have in 45 Colt is a great shooter. I'm still looking for an old 32 S&W that is in shootable condition, but all that I've seen have been pitted so badly that they would only be wall hangers. I'd grab a new reproduction, too. These old top breaks might not be as popular as some other types, but they played their part in our history. I wonder how many homes and businesses were protected by I&J or H&R? These were a big part of our second amendment heritage.

PAPA G · 03-11-2003, 11:51 PM

and a number of PD's around the 18-1900's with low budgets used them too. and cops that had to furnish their own gun.

FEG · 03-12-2003, 01:06 AM

Many of the top break revovlers of the early 20th century were piceces of junk made by companies that no one remembers today. I'm not talking about S&W or H&R, but the forerunners of the later Saturday Night Specials. I think these gave top breaks a bad name. Most of them were chambered in .32 Short and .38 S&W, which created a false perception that top breaks weren't suited for "modern" cartridges.

At any rate, the S&W .44 Russian is a revolver that I would love to own, even in a reproduction. Does Smith & Wesson make a repro in the original caliber?

Michael M · 03-15-2003, 08:56 AM

I haven't seen the Russian from S&W, but the Uberti is very nice indeed. I heard a funny, though. Stopped to drool last Saturday at Collectors here in Houson, and the sales guy said that they can't keep the Russians, repros or originals, as they were selling about as fast as they came in-to British customers. Something about the Brit gov't declaring the 44 Russian cartridge as obsolete.

Bookman · 03-27-2003, 02:51 PM

The first handgun I ever owned was a top-break H&R mod. 999 .22 revolver, 9-shot, with a 6" barrel. I learned to shoot with that little gun and sometimes wish I still had it. H&R made some decent top-break guns back then. Too bad they're gone now.

04-05-2003, 10:53 AM

why they are no longer on the market. Wear quickly loosens the entire lockup of such guns. The makers knew that noone was going to shoot the .32's and 38's much, just like the makers of .25 and .32 autos know the same thing today. The 38 s&w snubbie and .32 auto might as well be .22's, for all the "power" that they have. Beretta's 5", 11 oz M21 .22lr lies a LOT flatter in your pocket, costs 5% as much to shoot, and can be smithed to group 2" at 25 yds, making it a superb little kit gun. Nothing you can do is going to make either a .32 auto or a top break pocket .38 be so versatile, ya know.

03-07-2003, 02:50 PM	#1
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	There Is A Void In The Gun Market......... i would like to see someone bring back an up dated breaktop pocket pistol. IJ and H&R used to make a gob of them. made in newer materials, an improved latching system, auto ejection. i would buy one. any thought on this???

03-07-2003, 06:44 PM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	I like 'em too, especially the old S&W top breaks. They can be quick to reload, and easy to clean. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

03-11-2003, 11:51 PM	#4
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	YEP......... and a number of PD's around the 18-1900's with low budgets used them too. and cops that had to furnish their own gun.

03-12-2003, 01:06 AM	#5
FEG Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Behind the Iron Curtain Posts: 517	Many of the top break revovlers of the early 20th century were piceces of junk made by companies that no one remembers today. I'm not talking about S&W or H&R, but the forerunners of the later Saturday Night Specials. I think these gave top breaks a bad name. Most of them were chambered in .32 Short and .38 S&W, which created a false perception that top breaks weren't suited for "modern" cartridges. At any rate, the S&W .44 Russian is a revolver that I would love to own, even in a reproduction. Does Smith & Wesson make a repro in the original caliber? __________________ WARNING: CZs MAY BE HABIT-FORMING (Consult a doctor if nursing or pregnant).

04-05-2003, 10:53 AM	#8
ohyeah Guest Posts: n/a	they were one and all pos, guys, that's why they are no longer on the market. Wear quickly loosens the entire lockup of such guns. The makers knew that noone was going to shoot the .32's and 38's much, just like the makers of .25 and .32 autos know the same thing today. The 38 s&w snubbie and .32 auto might as well be .22's, for all the "power" that they have. Beretta's 5", 11 oz M21 .22lr lies a LOT flatter in your pocket, costs 5% as much to shoot, and can be smithed to group 2" at 25 yds, making it a superb little kit gun. Nothing you can do is going to make either a .32 auto or a top break pocket .38 be so versatile, ya know.

03-11-2003, 09:24 PM	#3
Michael M Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 58	Uberti (and S&W)makes a Schofield replica, as well as 44 Russian. I have the Schofield, and am still saving up for the Russian. The one I have in 45 Colt is a great shooter. I'm still looking for an old 32 S&W that is in shootable condition, but all that I've seen have been pitted so badly that they would only be wall hangers. I'd grab a new reproduction, too. These old top breaks might not be as popular as some other types, but they played their part in our history. I wonder how many homes and businesses were protected by I&J or H&R? These were a big part of our second amendment heritage.

03-15-2003, 08:56 AM	#6
Michael M Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 58	I haven't seen the Russian from S&W, but the Uberti is very nice indeed. I heard a funny, though. Stopped to drool last Saturday at Collectors here in Houson, and the sales guy said that they can't keep the Russians, repros or originals, as they were selling about as fast as they came in-to British customers. Something about the Brit gov't declaring the 44 Russian cartridge as obsolete.

03-27-2003, 02:51 PM	#7
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738	The first handgun I ever owned was a top-break H&R mod. 999 .22 revolver, 9-shot, with a 6" barrel. I learned to shoot with that little gun and sometimes wish I still had it. H&R made some decent top-break guns back then. Too bad they're gone now.