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Old 04-08-2012, 10:21 PM   #1
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thinking of switching ccw from glock 19 to lcr .357 mag.

going from 16 shots to carrying a 5 shot revolver is a big difference. i bought the lcr in .22lr and that thing is super comfortable to carry. the big question is, will the .357 in a snub nose perform way better than a 9mm from a 4" barrel?
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Old 04-09-2012, 01:40 AM   #2
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you can sling heavier pills out of the LCR but i havent seen ballistics numbers out of a 2 inch barrel. ballistically you might be in the same ballpark. im not sure about swapping for capacity though. i seem to be reading more and more about attacks by multiple people. if you abide by the 'double tap and assess' doctrine that only covers 2 criminals and a spare. your 16rd 9mm will cover a lot more ground.
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Old 04-09-2012, 02:56 AM   #3
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A revolver is fine. I often use a revolver as a CCW and figure if I can`t solve the problem as Joe Citizen in 5 or 6 shots I`m not only guilty of poor shooting but need more practice and might be acting irresponsibly. I do usually carry one reload just in case.

I have an LCR in .22 as a training gun as well as an LCR in .38. I have installed XS dot front sights on both which make a big difference to my older eyes. If you don`t want to go to this expense I might suggest you paint the front sight red or a similar hi-viz color.

I really like the LCR but you need to practice. Snubbies are VERY difficult to shoot accurately and if you switch from an autoloader to a snubby one of your main complaints will be the snubbie is difficult to shoot well. Why ? Well, it is very difficult to see minute movements of the front sight because of the short sight radius (the angle thing). They also have a relatively stiff trigger pull relative to their weight which make that smoooooooth squeeze without the gun moving harder. Grip designs contribute to this; but the LCR has some of the best out of the box grips of any revolver.

Despite these shortcomings a hammerless snubby is a great defense tool. Why ? because you can ALWAYS have it with you (people get lazy strapping on a 1911 for a short trip; first rule of gunfighting is have a gun). There is also no hammer to snag and they are simple to operate--especially under pressure (squeeze the trigger with the front sight on the target and look for a bang. Repeat until whatever you are shooting at does not want to hurt you anymore).

I have shot .357 ammo in a short bbl ruger SP-101 and in a 340 PD (similar weight to an LCR). IMHO there is no place for .357 ammo in a bbl length less than 3" or so. Too much muzzle blast with too little gain. You probably won`t believe me so try feeding 20 or 30 rounds through and decide for yourself. The grip on the SP-101 and LCR help alot (as does the heavy weight on the SP-101--I HAVE shot 180 gr buffalo bore heavy 357 solids through it when I was carrying it in alaska for minimal protection against game). I stoke my .38 or .357 snubbies with the .38 special load +P 110 gr Hornady (the guns really like this) alternated with the buffalo bore 150 grain hard cast wadcutter standard pressure (the guns llke this too and it gives around 875 fps out of the short bbl).

Good luck and cheers--the LCR is a great little gun.

I might also suggest you carry the G19 when you can, and carry the LCR (preferably the .38 or even the .22) when you can`t.
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Old 04-09-2012, 03:54 AM   #4
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bullseyebob: Sir, depending on the occasion, I carry SW-638, G-17, or LCP

Mostly, 638. I've had it so long, carried many quiet places and trust myself implicitly with it. Were it not for that, LCR would be my strong consideration. With practice, you can be more comfortable than you ever imagined.
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:22 AM   #5
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A revolver is fine. I often use a revolver as a CCW and figure if I can`t solve the problem as Joe Citizen in 5 or 6 shots I`m not only guilty of poor shooting but need more practice and might be acting irresponsibly. I do usually carry one reload just in case.

Txplt I like you. So don't be selling yourself short or pre setting yourself up for failure with statements like that .

1. No one has ever wished they had LESS bullets in a gun fight or a defensive situation.

2. For every defensive situation (and gunfight in general) where shots are fired and someone is shot, there are several more were there was a gunfight and no one was shot because everyone missed. Even up close.

Go take a force on force class with actual role players and where you use simmunitions. And they act out and put you in real life scenarios where you may or may not have to draw and shoot someone. Time and time again, even great shooters who practice a lot shooting center mass etc will miss ALOT or end up making lots of shots on arms, legs, thighs, or even on the bad guys weapon (if they have one) because that is where you look often times when confronted. Lot's of times it's an "Oh sh_t" moment and suddenly both you AND the bad guy(s) are moving around, side stepping, twisting/turning, moving forward or backwards, etc. It is a lot harder than shooting at that nice silhouette that stands still and presents a big broad target to you at the range .

3. Being somewhat aware of how many rounds you fired is extremely difficult for even someone who trains constantly. And even well trained cops who ARE "gun guys" will believe after the fact that they shot 2-3 times when in fact they shot off 5-8 etc. even in a close quarters defensive situation. It all has to do with the sudden stress situation.

Has anyone seen that security camera video when the two men tried to rob the jewelry store at gunpoint? The store owner shoots back with his snubby, shoots one attacker, the other one flees and then the store owner stands there holding one at gunpoint until the police came. Lucky for him the bad guy never noticed that the store owners gun was shot empty. (Store owner never realized it either.)

Judging by the NYC FOP9 study which is the documentation of all the shootings over the past several decades and by FBI crime report statistics I can say two things.

52-54% of armed attackers were committed by more than one bad guy and the average number of shots fired by any individual before the gunfight/confrontation ended where either someone was dead, they ran away, or they were shot and incapacitated was 7 (not 2-3).

The old 2-3 shots myth comes from when some statistician looked at the total number of the NYC shootings in the FOP9 study and simply divided by total shots fired and never thought to take in consideration that that total number of shootings also included things like suicides, and accidental discharges which drastically lowered the average.

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As it relates to the Glock 19 and the LCR I can say this, Because I own and carry both regularly.

I only carry the LCR when I can't carry the glock or my Sig like when I am out running in my gym shorts etc. Very little times elsewhere.

Your going from 16 rounds of 9mm down to 5 shots of .357/.38spl
Your also going from a longer sight radius and a full all finger grip on the Glock to a much shorter sight radius and 2 finger grip on the LCR.

Much much slower reloads with the LCR. Heck even if you are the person who does not carry a spare magazine when they CCW, by defaut the Glock gives you the same amount of ammo +1 that the LCR gives you plus having to reload two times.

LCR plus .357 is very snappy and very loud and flashy with all that unburnt powder flying out of the barrel.

I wont get into reliability because both guns are ultra reliable.

Jut my thoughts. YMMV
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:22 AM   #6
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Not a bad choice I have one myself and it is easy to carry. stickyholsters.com makes a great pocket holster and there are plenty of other choices for other carry. It is a well made gun and shoots well even with .357 loads so it will make a good choice.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:08 AM   #7
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If you are looking for a smaller, lighter, more easily concealable handgun why not look into a ultra compact auto pistol like the Kahr PM9-CM9, Sig P290 or 938, Kimber Solo Carry, or the many others out there. All of which are 9mm and are lighter and smaller than the Glock and are even smaller than the Ruger LCR.

I had a S&W model 60 that while it was a nice gun the recoil caused my ring and pinky fingers to go numb. The grip was to narrow and small for my hand. Even switching from the factory grips to the Hogue tamer grip didn't work. Even when shooting mild reloads or standard pressure .38spl. It would take longer for it to go numb with the lighter loads but it would still do it. I just couldn't become as proficient with it as I liked because of the numbness. I sold the gun and went with a compact 9mm and haven't looked back.
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Old 04-09-2012, 03:20 PM   #8
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If you are looking for a smaller, lighter, more easily concealable handgun why not look into a ultra compact auto pistol like the Kahr PM9-CM9, Sig P290 or 938, Kimber Solo Carry, or the many others out there. All of which are 9mm and are lighter and smaller than the Glock and are even smaller than the Ruger LCR.

I had a S&W model 60 that while it was a nice gun the recoil caused my ring and pinky fingers to go numb. The grip was to narrow and small for my hand. Even switching from the factory grips to the Hogue tamer grip didn't work. Even when shooting mild reloads or standard pressure .38spl. It would take longer for it to go numb with the lighter loads but it would still do it. I just couldn't become as proficient with it as I liked because of the numbness. I sold the gun and went with a compact 9mm and haven't looked back.
Funny, timing with this thread. Yesterday I shot a Ruger LC9 at the range. It was pretty good. I liked it for the most part.

My awesome family members gave me a gift card to a gun store. Today I went and bought one . Its a single stack 9mm with a VERY thin profile. It is 7+1 capacity. I got the last one in stock and a spare magazine to go with it. (lucky me now that Ruger is not accepting new orders due to their overwhelming back log)

Ill post a review of it when I can pick it up after my stupid states waiting period.

It just might very well replace my LCR as my secondary gun to my Glock 19.
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:14 PM   #9
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My rule for CCW is pretty simple. The best gun in a gun fight is the one you have on you. It doesn't matter whether you have 5 shots or 105 shots if the thing is uncomfortable to wear and you leave it sitting on the dresser it ain't doin' you a lick of good!
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:40 PM   #10
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I think that either gun would serve you well, it will just depend on your carry situation.

I will concur with what most everyone here has already said - the best gun is the one you have on you.
I went from carrying a Sig P229 (.40 cal, 12+1) occasionally if I could find clothes to fit over it to carrying a S&W 640-3 (357 mag, 5 shot cyl) ALL the time. I do carry a speed loader in my pocket "just in case."

Yes, I still do carry my Sig, but I think you'll find me most of the time carrying my little hammerless Smith just because it's so darn easy to carry under just about any clothing. The 357 mag is an excellent, time proven round. Just get good with shooting it as the snubby is a bit more difficult to shoot. It's snappy, and will put a little sting in your hand, but it feels good and it's not really that bad.

I think you would be well served by an LCR. Just do yourself a favor and go with the model that will handle the 357mag. I practice with 38's but carry 357's. TEST your carry ammo - Hornady had a problem with the casings in their 357mag Critical Defense ammo late last year.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:05 PM   #11
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I'm going to put this with a caveat...

If you are an EXPERIENCED PISTOLEER...you may use .357SIG or 10mm in a Glock/SIG/etc...or even a .357 or .44 Magnum wheelgun...

But, if you aren't VERY experienced, do NOT use those calibers as you won't have the experience needed
to keep from shooting thru the bad guy/s and into innocent bystanders...

It is preferential that a CCW licensee NOT kill innocent bystanders...just the Bad Guys.
So .380, 9mm, .40-short & wimpy, & .45-ACP are perfectly legitimate defense weapons.

Practice, Practice, Practice...
and join GSSF, IDPA, IPSC, or any of the other Defensive Pistol Competitive Shooting Organizations...
heck, even shooting SASS will help...as it is still practice in quickly aquiring & firing at targets & sometimes not firing at other targets...

The Magnum calibers may be construed as other than necessary force...I.E. Overkill...by a liberal Prosecutor...
and they are somewhat more difficult to handle and control...not to mention the shoot-thru capabilities...
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:46 AM   #12
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If I HAD to choose between the two, I'd take the LCR just because the Glock is quite a bit larger than is comfortable for me to carry. That being said, I have stuffed an LCR in my IWB holster and I hate the feel of the cylinder. I chose a slim 9mm, but if those two are what you have and you can't buy a new one, I'd go with the LCR. The self defense .357 loadings are made to perform out of a 2" barrel, just like all the other self defense loadings(the new ones at least) are made to perform out of a 2-2.5" semi-auto barrel.
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