Shrike Actually has a Gun Question

Lord Shrike · 11-08-2003, 01:09 PM

I've been thinking about getting a 40 cal Glock. I test fired one at the local range and liked it but one concern that has been raised is the price on the ammo. My wife and her father think that 40 cal is a odd cal so the ammo may be more pricey. I however have noticed that alot of leo departments are using the model 22 glock which is 40 cal. So can anyone tell me if ammo price for 40 cal is a concern?

11-08-2003, 01:13 PM

should be comparable to the cost of .45 ACP ammo

practical · 11-08-2003, 01:29 PM

Not as much as it's big brother the 10mm. If you're used to shooting wally world 9mm, there will be an adjustment period. If you buy 1000rd cases off the net, you should be set.

Big Dog · 11-08-2003, 02:47 PM

I don't have a .40 myself, but at our local range we see much more .40 brass on the ground than 9mm and .45 these days.
It isn't an "odd" caliber anymore - it's become a standard!

BattleRifleG3 · 11-08-2003, 05:29 PM

As common as 40 is now, the cost is down to actual production cost, which is between 9mm and 45 since the materials are right in between. I'd steer you towards the Steyr M40 instead of the Glock, as it has everything a Glock has and everything it doesn't, such as safeties you can use or not at your discretion. It has a more secure slide rail setup and was designed for 40 cal from the start, instead of being stretched up from a 9mm. And Glocks leave a much larger area of the case unsupported, which has led to SOME safety issues (which all have a specific reason and CAN be avoided, but Steyrs don't have the same problems as far as I know.) And Glocks can't touch the price. CDNN is selling them for $280 or so. Only reason they're low is because they were released from the old importer after Steyr got a new importer. Expect to pay in the low to mid $300s for them.

I have an M40 and I bought it assuming it to be my "first" pistol of many. I have yet to buy another pistol because I LOVE IT SO MUCH. EVERYONE who has fired it loves it more than anything. Everyone I speak to online says it's better than everything except possibly HK, but pretty much on a par with them.

Bottom line is that if you like Glock, you'll almost definitely love Steyr. If you don't like Glock, you'll still probably like Steyr. They're definitely worth checking out.

TScottW99 · 11-08-2003, 09:22 PM

My duty gun is a Glock 22 and I love it. All of our 22's have performed 100%. Ammo isn't too bad, it's not 9mm but still not too bad. Wally world sales value packs of .40S&W WinWB for $14.49 here, not too bad for 100 rounds.

Dale · 11-08-2003, 09:48 PM

The last batch of store bought .40 I got was PMC for $13 a box of 50.

TS, Wally World's price for Win is a great buy for plinkers.

Sniper[MI] · 11-08-2003, 10:14 PM

But dude, buy a real gun like a Beretta, instead of those evil, all plastic and easy to smuggle on an airliner Glocks that blow up every 3rd round.....LOL!!!

There is nothing wrong with the .40. Just be sure to use quality ammo from a reputable manufacturer and use jacketed ammo at that.

Cost is what it is, and .40 is no way near as expensive as the magnum calibers in the wheel guns or the stuff I run through the rifles.

Also, Militech is the ONLY stuff to use on the guns. I am a total convert. Pour the Hoppes down the drain except for the one bottle you will leave open so your shootin bench will smell like a shootin bench.

BTW, the deer are waitn, are you gonna show up and wreck my rifle?

BattleRifleG3 · 11-08-2003, 11:48 PM

If you get a Glock, only use newly manufactured factory ammo. Even professionally reloaded stuff can be dangerous. The problem is that some 40 brass doesn't hold up with Glock's unsupported chamber. Now that Glocks are so popular and the problems known, manufacturers have beefed up their cases to be safe in Glocks. But every once in a while old cases pop up. So only use new factory ammo in Glocks.

rich · 11-09-2003, 01:41 AM

it's a funny thing about .40 cal glocks and caliber, i have a G27 .40 it has a beefed up 9mm frame, i shoot .40 .357 amd 9mm with this gun. it is commonly known that one can add a .357sig barrel and shoot those from a .40,using the .40 magazine. what a lot of people don't know is that if one changes the barrel and magazine this gun also shoots 9mm. the recoil spring,slide and frame are the same as the 9mm guns. so buy the .40 and get the other parts when you want to shoot another caliber.

jerry · 11-09-2003, 08:34 AM

I agree with the choosing another .40 for flexability of future possible relaoding projects. You may limit yourself with the glock. Also, hanging out here long enough may get ya reloading.

11-09-2003, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BattleRifleG3
As common as 40 is now, the cost is down to actual production cost, which is between 9mm and 45 since the materials are right in between. I'd steer you towards the Steyr M40 instead of the Glock, as it has everything a Glock has and everything it doesn't, such as safeties you can use or not at your discretion. It has a more secure slide rail setup and was designed for 40 cal from the start, instead of being stretched up from a 9mm. And Glocks leave a much larger area of the case unsupported, which has led to SOME safety issues (which all have a specific reason and CAN be avoided, but Steyrs don't have the same problems as far as I know.) And Glocks can't touch the price. CDNN is selling them for $280 or so. Only reason they're low is because they were released from the old importer after Steyr got a new importer. Expect to pay in the low to mid $300s for them.

I have an M40 and I bought it assuming it to be my "first" pistol of many. I have yet to buy another pistol because I LOVE IT SO MUCH. EVERYONE who has fired it loves it more than anything. Everyone I speak to online says it's better than everything except possibly HK, but pretty much on a par with them.

Bottom line is that if you like Glock, you'll almost definitely love Steyr. If you don't like Glock, you'll still probably like Steyr. They're definitely worth checking out.

I don't now how corrosion resistant the Steyrs are..I can sweat all over a Glock without worrying about rust :target:

BattleRifleG3 · 11-09-2003, 01:24 PM

I don't know exactly how the Steyrs compare with corrosion, but for the price difference you can have it custom coated by a smith. Prices are even lower now...

Look up Gunsamerica ad 976402046. Equivalent if not better prices on Steyrs than anywhere.

I'm not knocking Glocks, there's only a specific way and a plain reason why the 40s sometimes KB, and tons has been done successfully to correct that, but you have to keep your ammo new.

11-09-2003, 04:53 PM

I've never had a problem with my Glocks..I think alot of urban myths about the Glocks are being circulated by 1911A1 fans

BattleRifleG3 · 11-09-2003, 06:37 PM

IF all brand new Glocks are fully supported and no cases, past or present, would have any problems in new Glocks, then getting such a gun is a safe bet with any non-lead ammo. But if not, then you should be able to trace and verify every bit of ammo you use in it as being specifically strong enough for Glocks.

BTW, thanks for your info K75RT, I'm not trying to flame either, but there are problems that have since been solved, just to make sure your setup has these solutions, be it a stronger case, a better supported barrel, or whatever it is.

TScottW99 · 11-09-2003, 09:43 PM

Bottom line....

ANY gun can Kaboom with bad ammo. I have seen pics of Ruger Redhawks with the top strap blown off, H&K USP split down the middle, Shotguns of various makes blown all to heck, etc... etc....

It just so happens that a certain Anti-Glock person has a webpage dedicated to Glocks going Kaboom. Funny how he doesn't have pictures of other guns going Kaboom because they all have had malfunctions, no massed produce mechanical item can be 100%, there has to be a problem in one every now and then

Sniper[MI] · 11-09-2003, 10:47 PM

Lead bullets will kill you and your gun at the same time...dont use em in a glock.I dont use unjacketed lead in anything except the slug gun....

BattleRifleG3 · 11-09-2003, 10:59 PM

Any other auto pistols that lead bullets are bad for?

Sniper[MI] · 11-09-2003, 11:01 PM

Almost any pistol or revolver will have a problem with leading in the barrel if you shoot unjacketed lead long enough....

BattleRifleG3 · 11-10-2003, 01:56 AM

Does cleaning the barrel solve these problems?

11-08-2003, 01:09 PM	#1
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,103	Shrike Actually has a Gun Question I've been thinking about getting a 40 cal Glock. I test fired one at the local range and liked it but one concern that has been raised is the price on the ammo. My wife and her father think that 40 cal is a odd cal so the ammo may be more pricey. I however have noticed that alot of leo departments are using the model 22 glock which is 40 cal. So can anyone tell me if ammo price for 40 cal is a concern? __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve

11-08-2003, 01:29 PM	#3
practical Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA/Casper, WY Posts: 736	Not as much as it's big brother the 10mm. If you're used to shooting wally world 9mm, there will be an adjustment period. If you buy 1000rd cases off the net, you should be set. __________________ Eric "The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made"

11-08-2003, 02:47 PM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	I don't have a .40 myself, but at our local range we see much more .40 brass on the ground than 9mm and .45 these days. It isn't an "odd" caliber anymore - it's become a standard! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

11-08-2003, 05:29 PM	#5
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	As common as 40 is now, the cost is down to actual production cost, which is between 9mm and 45 since the materials are right in between. I'd steer you towards the Steyr M40 instead of the Glock, as it has everything a Glock has and everything it doesn't, such as safeties you can use or not at your discretion. It has a more secure slide rail setup and was designed for 40 cal from the start, instead of being stretched up from a 9mm. And Glocks leave a much larger area of the case unsupported, which has led to SOME safety issues (which all have a specific reason and CAN be avoided, but Steyrs don't have the same problems as far as I know.) And Glocks can't touch the price. CDNN is selling them for $280 or so. Only reason they're low is because they were released from the old importer after Steyr got a new importer. Expect to pay in the low to mid $300s for them. I have an M40 and I bought it assuming it to be my "first" pistol of many. I have yet to buy another pistol because I LOVE IT SO MUCH. EVERYONE who has fired it loves it more than anything. Everyone I speak to online says it's better than everything except possibly HK, but pretty much on a par with them. Bottom line is that if you like Glock, you'll almost definitely love Steyr. If you don't like Glock, you'll still probably like Steyr. They're definitely worth checking out. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-08-2003, 09:22 PM	#6
TScottW99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Roanoke County, VA Posts: 201	My duty gun is a Glock 22 and I love it. All of our 22's have performed 100%. Ammo isn't too bad, it's not 9mm but still not too bad. Wally world sales value packs of .40S&W WinWB for $14.49 here, not too bad for 100 rounds. __________________ "Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin http://tscott.fws1.com

11-08-2003, 01:13 PM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	should be comparable to the cost of .45 ACP ammo

11-08-2003, 09:48 PM	#7
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	The last batch of store bought .40 I got was PMC for $13 a box of 50. TS, Wally World's price for Win is a great buy for plinkers. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me Last edited by Dale; 11-08-2003 at 09:52 PM.

11-08-2003, 10:14 PM	#8
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	.40 is okay But dude, buy a real gun like a Beretta, instead of those evil, all plastic and easy to smuggle on an airliner Glocks that blow up every 3rd round.....LOL!!! There is nothing wrong with the .40. Just be sure to use quality ammo from a reputable manufacturer and use jacketed ammo at that. Cost is what it is, and .40 is no way near as expensive as the magnum calibers in the wheel guns or the stuff I run through the rifles. Also, Militech is the ONLY stuff to use on the guns. I am a total convert. Pour the Hoppes down the drain except for the one bottle you will leave open so your shootin bench will smell like a shootin bench. BTW, the deer are waitn, are you gonna show up and wreck my rifle? __________________ FNUH!

11-08-2003, 11:48 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	If you get a Glock, only use newly manufactured factory ammo. Even professionally reloaded stuff can be dangerous. The problem is that some 40 brass doesn't hold up with Glock's unsupported chamber. Now that Glocks are so popular and the problems known, manufacturers have beefed up their cases to be safe in Glocks. But every once in a while old cases pop up. So only use new factory ammo in Glocks. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-09-2003, 01:41 AM	#10
rich Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 47	it's a funny thing about .40 cal glocks and caliber, i have a G27 .40 it has a beefed up 9mm frame, i shoot .40 .357 amd 9mm with this gun. it is commonly known that one can add a .357sig barrel and shoot those from a .40,using the .40 magazine. what a lot of people don't know is that if one changes the barrel and magazine this gun also shoots 9mm. the recoil spring,slide and frame are the same as the 9mm guns. so buy the .40 and get the other parts when you want to shoot another caliber.

11-09-2003, 08:34 AM	#11
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,870 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I agree with the choosing another .40 for flexability of future possible relaoding projects. You may limit yourself with the glock. Also, hanging out here long enough may get ya reloading. __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

11-09-2003, 01:24 PM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I don't know exactly how the Steyrs compare with corrosion, but for the price difference you can have it custom coated by a smith. Prices are even lower now... Look up Gunsamerica ad 976402046. Equivalent if not better prices on Steyrs than anywhere. I'm not knocking Glocks, there's only a specific way and a plain reason why the 40s sometimes KB, and tons has been done successfully to correct that, but you have to keep your ammo new. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-09-2003, 04:53 PM	#14
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I've never had a problem with my Glocks..I think alot of urban myths about the Glocks are being circulated by 1911A1 fans

11-09-2003, 06:37 PM	#15
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	IF all brand new Glocks are fully supported and no cases, past or present, would have any problems in new Glocks, then getting such a gun is a safe bet with any non-lead ammo. But if not, then you should be able to trace and verify every bit of ammo you use in it as being specifically strong enough for Glocks. BTW, thanks for your info K75RT, I'm not trying to flame either, but there are problems that have since been solved, just to make sure your setup has these solutions, be it a stronger case, a better supported barrel, or whatever it is. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-09-2003, 09:43 PM	#16
TScottW99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Roanoke County, VA Posts: 201	Bottom line.... ANY gun can Kaboom with bad ammo. I have seen pics of Ruger Redhawks with the top strap blown off, H&K USP split down the middle, Shotguns of various makes blown all to heck, etc... etc.... It just so happens that a certain Anti-Glock person has a webpage dedicated to Glocks going Kaboom. Funny how he doesn't have pictures of other guns going Kaboom because they all have had malfunctions, no massed produce mechanical item can be 100%, there has to be a problem in one every now and then __________________ "Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin http://tscott.fws1.com Last edited by TScottW99; 11-09-2003 at 09:46 PM.

11-09-2003, 10:47 PM	#17
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	Lead will kill Lead bullets will kill you and your gun at the same time...dont use em in a glock.I dont use unjacketed lead in anything except the slug gun.... __________________ FNUH!

11-09-2003, 10:59 PM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Any other auto pistols that lead bullets are bad for? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-09-2003, 11:01 PM	#19
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	Pretty much all of them Almost any pistol or revolver will have a problem with leading in the barrel if you shoot unjacketed lead long enough.... __________________ FNUH!

11-10-2003, 01:56 AM	#20
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Does cleaning the barrel solve these problems? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf