Which double stack 45?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-05-2004, 10:29 PM

Thinking about what full or mid size double stack 45 ACP pistols are out there, I figure I need to hear some good old experience from those who've used them. They vary in price, but all have in common that they're in 45ACP, use double stack mags so they have at least 10rds (more after the ban dies), have a manual safety, and have an external hammer.

The ones I thus far know of that fit this description are:

Hi Cap 1911 like Para Ordnance, Springfield, SAM Falcon, Entreprise, Daly M5, Caspian, STI, RIA, etc
EAA Witness/CZ-97
HK USP 45 (SOCOM is too pricey even to look at)
Beretta Cougar

Am I missing any?

oneastrix · 01-05-2004, 11:03 PM

The Glock 21 is a fine shooting pistol. Low recoil, and I am extremely impressed with the accuracy out of the box.

But, like the post above, the ParaOrdinance double stack 1911 is a sweet shooter as well!

MAX7.62 · 01-05-2004, 11:19 PM

On the wide body 1911's don't forget the Kimber BP Ten II. Polymer lower with a metal rail upper molded into it, the standard Ten II has a steel rail system, the BP Ten II is an ultra lightweight special edition with an aluminum metal section. Since they're "plastic" 1911's I refer to mine as a "Glockteen eleven"! <big grin>

MAX7.62 · 01-05-2004, 11:26 PM

I forgot to mention that the BP Ten II is a great shooter out of the box - I guess that's sort of expected from Kimber anyway right? It will accept pre-ban ParaOrd 14 round mags and the overall grip width is about the same as a standard 1911 single stack, the grip's just a bit squarer but holds nicely.
Remeber G3, I'm a bit jaded anyway - the BP Ten II is my main sidearm, my backup is either a custom Commander length 1911 that I built or a Kimber Custom II Tactical depending on mood and dress of course!

Pumpkinheaver · 01-07-2004, 05:30 PM

Widebody 1911, preferably a polymer framed Kimber.

MAX7.62 · 01-07-2004, 05:44 PM

Hey Tc, is that Hk the kinda large frame one with, in some cases, the threaded muzzle extension? I'm not too up on Hk hand cannons? If that's the one I'm thinkin about I would like to get the chance to run some rounds through one!

BattleRifleG3 · 01-07-2004, 10:49 PM

HK Mark 23 SOCOM
5.87" barrel
7.76" site radius
2.42lb

HK USP Tactical
5.07" barrel
6.34" site radius
1.8lb

NRAJOE · 01-07-2004, 11:27 PM

I really like those threaded barrels for "toys" and such....

oneastrix · 01-08-2004, 12:10 AM

BG#...the HK's are huge in size! But you might be big enough physically to pack one....I'm not.

Max....as a Kimber owner and fan I cannot believe that I forgot the polymer line!

BattleRifleG3 · 01-08-2004, 12:49 AM

I prefer the Steyr myself for packing. These may be for cold weather packing or if I figure out a good way to conceal, but if I get one it would probably be for home defense and open carry on private land.

oneastrix · 01-08-2004, 01:14 AM

Steyr's are great!

BattleRifleG3 · 01-08-2004, 11:16 AM

Is it not wider? Lots of pistols look smaller than the 1911 until you look at them from above, then the 1911's slimness shows.

View Poll Results: Which do you like best?
Widebody 1911	4	44.44%
EAA/CZ-97	1	11.11%
HK USP	1	11.11%
Beretta Cougar	1	11.11%
Glock, you heretic who deliberately didn't consider them due to catastrophic failures.	2	22.22%
Yes, you did forget some.	0	0%
Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

01-05-2004, 10:29 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	Which double stack 45? Thinking about what full or mid size double stack 45 ACP pistols are out there, I figure I need to hear some good old experience from those who've used them. They vary in price, but all have in common that they're in 45ACP, use double stack mags so they have at least 10rds (more after the ban dies), have a manual safety, and have an external hammer. The ones I thus far know of that fit this description are: Hi Cap 1911 like Para Ordnance, Springfield, SAM Falcon, Entreprise, Daly M5, Caspian, STI, RIA, etc EAA Witness/CZ-97 HK USP 45 (SOCOM is too pricey even to look at) Beretta Cougar Am I missing any? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-05-2004, 11:03 PM	#2
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	The Glock 21 is a fine shooting pistol. Low recoil, and I am extremely impressed with the accuracy out of the box. But, like the post above, the ParaOrdinance double stack 1911 is a sweet shooter as well! __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-05-2004, 11:19 PM	#3
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	On the wide body 1911's don't forget the Kimber BP Ten II. Polymer lower with a metal rail upper molded into it, the standard Ten II has a steel rail system, the BP Ten II is an ultra lightweight special edition with an aluminum metal section. Since they're "plastic" 1911's I refer to mine as a "Glockteen eleven"! <big grin> __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

01-05-2004, 11:26 PM	#4
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	I forgot to mention that the BP Ten II is a great shooter out of the box - I guess that's sort of expected from Kimber anyway right? It will accept pre-ban ParaOrd 14 round mags and the overall grip width is about the same as a standard 1911 single stack, the grip's just a bit squarer but holds nicely. Remeber G3, I'm a bit jaded anyway - the BP Ten II is my main sidearm, my backup is either a custom Commander length 1911 that I built or a Kimber Custom II Tactical depending on mood and dress of course! __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

01-07-2004, 05:30 PM	#5
Pumpkinheaver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,379	Widebody 1911, preferably a polymer framed Kimber. __________________ Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

01-07-2004, 05:44 PM	#6
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	Hey Tc, is that Hk the kinda large frame one with, in some cases, the threaded muzzle extension? I'm not too up on Hk hand cannons? If that's the one I'm thinkin about I would like to get the chance to run some rounds through one! __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

01-07-2004, 10:49 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	HK Mark 23 SOCOM 5.87" barrel 7.76" site radius 2.42lb HK USP Tactical 5.07" barrel 6.34" site radius 1.8lb __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-07-2004, 11:27 PM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,256 Images: 3	I really like those threaded barrels for "toys" and such.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

01-08-2004, 12:10 AM	#9
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	BG#...the HK's are huge in size! But you might be big enough physically to pack one....I'm not. Max....as a Kimber owner and fan I cannot believe that I forgot the polymer line! __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-08-2004, 12:49 AM	#10
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	I prefer the Steyr myself for packing. These may be for cold weather packing or if I figure out a good way to conceal, but if I get one it would probably be for home defense and open carry on private land. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-08-2004, 01:14 AM	#11
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Steyr's are great! __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-08-2004, 11:16 AM	#12
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,475 Images: 13	Is it not wider? Lots of pistols look smaller than the 1911 until you look at them from above, then the 1911's slimness shows. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf