Double stack mid size 45s?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-05-2005, 03:47 PM

I currently pack a Steyr M40, with no complaints, but I've been thinking I could really go for a mid-sized 45 double stack that isn't a 1911 variant. Something about compact 1911s just doesn't fit me, partly their shape.
But I'm not looking for abbreviated capacity either. If it can't hold 10rds I'll choose slim over short and just do a full size 1911.

So I'm basically looking for a 10rd 45 ACP mid size pistol with a 3.5-4" barrel. If it's polymer, it needs to have an internal frame like Steyr, not just moulded rails like FN's recent offerings. Also must have manual safety and either SA or SA/DA, no DAO.

I WAS looking at Beretta Cougar and EAA Witness until I found that they only did 8rd.

ScottD · 01-05-2005, 10:40 PM

Para Ordinace

RIDGERUNNER · 01-05-2005, 11:34 PM

BattleRifleG3,
I dont know of any that can hold 10 rounds that arent full sized guns...but I dont know a lot of things...(LOL) But I do know the Beretta Cougar is a fine weapon even if it is 2 rounds short of what you want. Hope this helps...

Oxford · 01-05-2005, 11:49 PM

Double the stack, double the pleasure! :nod:

G Hollingsworth · 01-06-2005, 07:26 AM

All three 1911 frames are the same size. Slides are different.. Every double stack the I have held,and I have a big hand doesn't feel right. Maybe I just need the get use to. I have a Glock and really don't care for the grip. I like the 1911 with a mag well that extends the handle.

BattleRifleG3 · 01-08-2005, 11:58 AM

If the Beretta Cougar has a grip that feels like the 92, I'll have to rule it out. Fired a 92 once and was gravely disappointed with how uncomfortable the grip was. I'll take my Steyr over it any day. Might go for a Steyr M or S9 if I can rustle up the pesos. If I was getting midsize 45 and 8rd was enough, I'd seriously consider the Ruger KP35R. The DDA pistol seemed to fit the bill, though I'd prefer the higher quality EAA Witness or CZ, and a metal frame unless the polymer one had an internal frame. I handled a full size CZ and it was quite comfortable. Might have to consider a DDA if I see one around.

BattleRifleG3 · 01-13-2005, 01:02 PM

Well so far the compact Taurus Milennium Pro 145BP is the only one that holds a full 10rd. I think I've heard one or two criticisms of it, anyone know any more about it? It's DAO, but I might be able to stand that for a striker firing system, I mean I do have a Steyr M40. The Taurus 145 has a manual safety, a must. What I'd really like to see is its inerts.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-11-2005, 11:31 AM

Now this would be nice if they offered this version. I edited a Taurus 24-7 pic into a midsize.
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...php?pic_id=698

BattleRifleG3 · 02-11-2005, 09:22 PM

Ha, I just inspected both and realize that my assumption that the Taurus 24-7 was a Walther P99 derivative was absolutely wrong. Examining the 24-7 and Millennium Pro showed them to be the same design. Now I know why there's no compact 24-7... It's called the Millennium Pro. I wonder if the mags will interchange. Hmm...

On the good side the sales associate stripped them both for me and I was quite satisfied with the rigidity of their internal construction. Same type of internal metal sub-frame as my beloved Steyr M40.

PAPA G · 02-11-2005, 09:49 PM

Taurus blows!!!

they support smartgun technology, and they are in cahoots with the PDRofNJ whos is funding and offering technical support for the effort. let them cut their own throats. until they mend their ways i'll never buy their stuff.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-13-2005, 09:44 PM

I'm not 100% convinced Taurus is actually going to follow through. I think they may be pretending to be actually making progress just so the libs will hold their breath.

MAX7.62 · 03-03-2005, 05:51 PM

Kimber Ten II :right:

silentknight · 03-03-2005, 06:20 PM

Does magnum research make a compact baby eagle polly 45, they also make the SP21, it holds 10+1 but its DOA

BattleRifleG3 · 03-03-2005, 06:44 PM

DOA or DAO? That would suck if it was DOA, I'd demand my money back...

silentknight · 03-04-2005, 12:37 PM

lol oops

01-05-2005, 03:47 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Double stack mid size 45s? I currently pack a Steyr M40, with no complaints, but I've been thinking I could really go for a mid-sized 45 double stack that isn't a 1911 variant. Something about compact 1911s just doesn't fit me, partly their shape. But I'm not looking for abbreviated capacity either. If it can't hold 10rds I'll choose slim over short and just do a full size 1911. So I'm basically looking for a 10rd 45 ACP mid size pistol with a 3.5-4" barrel. If it's polymer, it needs to have an internal frame like Steyr, not just moulded rails like FN's recent offerings. Also must have manual safety and either SA or SA/DA, no DAO. I WAS looking at Beretta Cougar and EAA Witness until I found that they only did 8rd. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-05-2005, 10:40 PM	#2
ScottD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Evanston, IL Posts: 1,020	Para Ordinace __________________ "Some people can not live without wilderness"-Aldo Leopold

01-05-2005, 11:49 PM	#4
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	Double the stack, double the pleasure! :nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-08-2005, 11:58 AM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	If the Beretta Cougar has a grip that feels like the 92, I'll have to rule it out. Fired a 92 once and was gravely disappointed with how uncomfortable the grip was. I'll take my Steyr over it any day. Might go for a Steyr M or S9 if I can rustle up the pesos. If I was getting midsize 45 and 8rd was enough, I'd seriously consider the Ruger KP35R. The DDA pistol seemed to fit the bill, though I'd prefer the higher quality EAA Witness or CZ, and a metal frame unless the polymer one had an internal frame. I handled a full size CZ and it was quite comfortable. Might have to consider a DDA if I see one around. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-13-2005, 01:02 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Well so far the compact Taurus Milennium Pro 145BP is the only one that holds a full 10rd. I think I've heard one or two criticisms of it, anyone know any more about it? It's DAO, but I might be able to stand that for a striker firing system, I mean I do have a Steyr M40. The Taurus 145 has a manual safety, a must. What I'd really like to see is its inerts. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-05-2005, 11:34 PM	#3
RIDGERUNNER Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Upper East Tennessee Posts: 37	BattleRifleG3, I dont know of any that can hold 10 rounds that arent full sized guns...but I dont know a lot of things...(LOL) But I do know the Beretta Cougar is a fine weapon even if it is 2 rounds short of what you want. Hope this helps...

01-06-2005, 07:26 AM	#5
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	All three 1911 frames are the same size. Slides are different.. Every double stack the I have held,and I have a big hand doesn't feel right. Maybe I just need the get use to. I have a Glock and really don't care for the grip. I like the 1911 with a mag well that extends the handle.

02-11-2005, 11:31 AM	#8
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Now this would be nice if they offered this version. I edited a Taurus 24-7 pic into a midsize. http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...php?pic_id=698 __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-11-2005, 09:22 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Ha, I just inspected both and realize that my assumption that the Taurus 24-7 was a Walther P99 derivative was absolutely wrong. Examining the 24-7 and Millennium Pro showed them to be the same design. Now I know why there's no compact 24-7... It's called the Millennium Pro. I wonder if the mags will interchange. Hmm... On the good side the sales associate stripped them both for me and I was quite satisfied with the rigidity of their internal construction. Same type of internal metal sub-frame as my beloved Steyr M40. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-11-2005, 09:49 PM	#10
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	Taurus blows!!! they support smartgun technology, and they are in cahoots with the PDRofNJ whos is funding and offering technical support for the effort. let them cut their own throats. until they mend their ways i'll never buy their stuff.

02-13-2005, 09:44 PM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I'm not 100% convinced Taurus is actually going to follow through. I think they may be pretending to be actually making progress just so the libs will hold their breath. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-03-2005, 05:51 PM	#12
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	Kimber Ten II :right: __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

03-03-2005, 06:20 PM	#13
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	Does magnum research make a compact baby eagle polly 45, they also make the SP21, it holds 10+1 but its DOA __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

03-03-2005, 06:44 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	DOA or DAO? That would suck if it was DOA, I'd demand my money back... __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-04-2005, 12:37 PM	#15
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	lol oops __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum