How to obtain your 03 C&R license....

[.22guy]

Originally Posted by troylaplante

Not just a few bucks. I have saved hundreds of dollars so far. No BATF inquiries so far, and probably will never be any. Ergo, I don't mind. A small price to pay for the money I am saving. Considering that you can get dealer pricing with most large distributors (even non C&R pieces) and with companies like MidwayUSA, I say it's worth it.

How do you go about getting dealer pricing with MidwayUSA?

[Despoiler]

Originally Posted by .22guy

How do you go about getting dealer pricing with MidwayUSA?

Yeah that is a good question. considering how often I buy from them.

[troylaplante]

Originally Posted by .22guy

How do you go about getting dealer pricing with MidwayUSA?

Go to their web site and look for contact information. Send them a letter of introduction and a copy of your C&R license. They will set you up with an account immediately and email you with notification of it. You finish the account set up. When you sign in, you will find that prices are now lower for you, since you have a dealer account, even with C&R.

Here is the quick letter I have sent a dozen or so distributors:

I am writing to you so that you may have my Collector of Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License on file with your company. Enclosed, you will find an individually signed copy of my license.

Your company was recommended to me through peers in the on line community. I look forward to possible purchases from your company. Please feel free to include me on any mailing lists that your company may have regarding special offers and acquisitions. Please do not abuse this option. My contact information is on this letterhead.

Thank you in advance for all future consideration on purchasing and customer service. I look forward to expanding my collection soon.

[.22guy]

That's great Troy. Thanks!

[Dale]

qoute by troylaplante: "Not just a few bucks. I have saved hundreds of dollars so far. No BATF inquiries so far, and probably will never be any. Ergo, I don't mind. A small price to pay for the money I am saving. Considering that you can get dealer pricing with most large distributors (even non C&R pieces) and with companies like MidwayUSA, I say it's worth it."

I have seen TONS of comments in here about 'big brother' increasingly tredging on our liberties and rights and I NOW read this?

True...YOU may be the one that never has an inquiry. But what about the other person who might have one some day?

And...what about the person who HAS to, by LAW, record any disposal of a firearm they inherited, say, twenty years ago, just because they now have a C&R license.

Or do we suggest they 'disregard that law' because 'no BATF inquiries so far, and probably will never be any.'

My point has been conveniently side stepped...that being........regardless of how much can be saved at the cost of a C&R license I see no reason to have my liberties and legal rights be indiffered and infrindged upon JUST because I am now in the big computer data base as a license holder when there is a double standard for those who just buy and sell as private citizens.

Personally, I would rather save the few bucks (or in troylaplante's comment....hundreds of dollars..) and not have applied for a license that restricts me to what the average citizen DOES NOT have to do.

If that can't be seen then the powers to be will levy their justice just as blindly as those that cannot see it.

[NRAJOE]

And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
They're coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away ha haaa

And they're coming to take me away ha haaa
They're coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away ha haaa

[BigJake]

I'll see you there NRAJoe... actually I might be dead first.

[Paper]

And...what about the person who HAS to, by LAW, record any disposal of a firearm they inherited, say, twenty years ago, just because they now have a C&R license.

Dale,
As I understand it, the only guns that go into your bound book are guns that are purchased with your C & R license. And the only guns that get marked out of your book when you sell them, are guns that were purchased with your C & R license..

My book shows my purchases on one page, and across from that page is what I fill out if I sell that gun, and only that gun..

If they go into your book as purchases you did for your collection, and were purchased through your C & R, then they get marked out the same.. Guns that were purchased before you became a licensed collector aren't in your book, so you don't need to mark them out, either..

As a matter of fact, guns that I purchase from dealers who won't accept my C & R, do not go into my book. I filled out a 4473 to purchase it, so it's not going into my book, even if it's C & R eligible.. ONLY guns that I buy through my 03 go into my book.

My local dealer doesn't accept my (or anyone elses) 03 license. He said that because of the large quantity of guns that go out his door, if he let it go out the door under the 03, he'd have to prove that the weapon was C & R eligible, and he doesn't want the hassle of proving that a certain gun was eligible, so he makes it so that it's not an issue..

I understand this up front, and it's his business and his rules, and if I want a gun from him, I follow his rules, and fill out a 4473 no matter what.. And, that gun doesn't get put in my bound book.

If I buy a gun that's eligible, and I use my 03, it goes into the book, and only guns in my book get marked out of my book..

[3 WEELIN GEEZER]

What a lazy person it seems. Or he just doesn't want to give you the wholesale price. So he makes you buy at retail and he gets his profit. How big is that shop?

[Shenlung]

You'll get a different answer from everyone you ask. The interpretation I've worked under is that, if I use my C&R to buy it, it goes in the record. If I buy it locally at a shop/gun show/personal transaction, I'm not using my C&R, doesn't go into the record.

Personally, I have a record for both C&R and Non-C&R anyway which I keep updated for insurance purposes. That way if the worst were to happen, I'd have no issue getting my claims handled.

[ruger22com]

Let me clear up a few misconceptions here.
First, I AM a classs 01 FFL firearms dealer. I attend local information sessions with the Batf, and have a great friendly relationship with my local agents.

To the guy who says the atf probubly will never visit you and examine your books and safe with a C&R...you had better wake up.

Currently there are several pieces of legislation being passed that will allow the ATF way more power in that they will be able to fine and jail people who either break the law (sell for profit) or have sloppy record keeping. Now all they can do is pull your license. They tell me, one of the first thing that will happen when the laws pass is IMMEDIATE INSPECTIONS of a lot of C&R holders to make sure they actually are collecters, and not buying and selling guns (like SKS as a common example) at gunshows FOR A PROFIT. They will be handing out $10,000 fines like they are going out of style.

So remember to keep immaculate records and use the license only what it was designed for..collecting old firearms. Sure, you can get dealer discounts from midway...but I would be very carefull with that...saving a couple bucks
on cleaning patches is not worth a $10,000 fine by representing yourself as a dealer. Because when the ATF comes a callin, one of the things they also demand to look at are purchase invoices.

-Bob

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by ruger22com

Sure, you can get dealer discounts from midway...but I would be very carefull with that...saving a couple bucks
on cleaning patches is not worth a $10,000 fine by representing yourself as a dealer. Because when the ATF comes a callin, one of the things they also demand to look at are purchase invoices.
-Bob

I am sure that Midway knows the difference between an 01 and an 03 license; or they should. I do not think the ATF will fine you because you try to save a few bucks on patches; buying guns to resell for a profit or buying guns not on the C&R list will get you in trouble.

I am mixed on the legislation you mentioned. If someone is using the 03 license to make some money then there should be some consequences. I would like to know more about the guidelines they use to determine what THEY constitute "dealing". I don't want to go to jail if I decide I need to sell some items over a couple of months to help pay some bills.

[Ravendon]

Thanks Joe for the link. I've been meaning to apply for one and wasn't sure how to proceed.

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

This is the best page I've ever seen explaining how to do it:

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com

[NRAJOE]

No problem....this used to be a STICKY when I was a MODERATOR....have fun....