Millitary dumping the Baretta92 !

BigJake · 07-06-2005, 11:49 PM

check this link out, I heard about it from my friend and G&G member in OCS school.

"Dump the M9 and pack a 45"

07-07-2005, 05:48 AM

Cover Story

Back to the future
Soldiers have been saying it for two decades — get rid of the M9 and go back to a .45 caliber. Now Army weapons developers want to do just that. (For subscribers only)

Dale · 07-07-2005, 06:34 AM

Key here is the weapons developers want it but it might boil down to who (and what companies) Congressmen and Army officials have a financial interest in and "loyalty" to.

I side with the .45 ACP.

Dallas · 07-07-2005, 07:13 AM

About time. I doubt they'll go with the 1911, wonder which .45 will get the nod?

Dale · 07-07-2005, 03:02 PM

I sure hope NOT Glock!

Thinking maybe Springfield.

silentknight · 07-07-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale

Thinking maybe Springfield.

I highly doubt this, I don't see the armed forces going to .45 GAP, or at least I hope not. I would love to see xd's in our servicemen and women's hands, but only if they came out with a 45 ACP platform, and I don't see that happening.

Would a H&K USP be plausible?

07-07-2005, 04:17 PM

wish they'd pick domestic contractors

BigJake · 07-07-2005, 06:05 PM

I was told that the article mentioned 3 manufacturers and I can only remember 2
One was Sig and the other H&K. The third was I think Hi Point..... Just kidding I cant remember the third.

07-07-2005, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJake

I was told that the article mentioned 3 manufacturers and I can only remember 2
One was Sig and the other H&K. The third was I think Hi Point..... Just kidding I cant remember the third.

Kimber ? they've made some 1911A1 pistols for the USMC

colt45 · 07-07-2005, 07:04 PM

acctualy some units have allready been aproved to purchase and carry the ruger 45.

Thrawn · 07-08-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by colt45

acctualy some units have allready been aproved to purchase and carry the ruger 45.

That's what I've heard.

BigJake · 07-09-2005, 12:52 PM

I heard that the gun to replace the m9 is going to be decocker and first shot double action second single... thats the only features I know of.
Excluding special operation units I think the "cocked and locked" days are over. Sad to say.

Thrawn · 07-09-2005, 12:58 PM

If those are the specs. Ruger has what they are looking for.

Thrawn · 07-09-2005, 01:06 PM

Gauge/Caliber: .45 Auto
Capacity: 8 Rounds
Finish: Blued
Stock/Grip: Black Synthetic
Barrel Length: 4 1/2"
Rear Sight: Fixed
Other Features: Manual Safety / Firing Pin Block
Suggested Retail Price: $ 525.00
Miscellaneous: N/A

Ruger Manual Safety P-Series pistols offer the following features:

** A manual ambidextrous safety that, when engaged, prevents firing unless the lever is returned to the "fire" position.

** Ruger Camblock design that reduces felt recoil and dissipates stress.

** High visibility front and rear sights.

**P95PR and KP95PR models feature a new, textured frame and Picatinny-style accessory rail.

** P345 pistols feature a new frame with checkered grip areas, front-strap, and back-strap, loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect, and internal lock.

** KP345PR and P345PR models include a frame-integral Picatinny accessory rail.

**All P-Series pistols are designed to be easily maintained and can be field-stripped into five major subassemblies for cleaning, without the need for special tools.

** 15 - round models not available in all states and locales. 10 - round models are available where required to meet state and local regulations limiting magazine capacity.

Sniper[MI] · 07-09-2005, 01:47 PM

Eh, just use a bigger caliber....

BTW, Uncle Sam? I will take all the M9's off yer hands for free. They will be checked and re checked, then sold with 40% of the profits to be returned to the US Military.....with 17 or 18 of the newest kept on hand for personal use/collection...

I am also in aposition to take all the 9mm ammo off your hands for use in the same fashion.......

BigJake · 07-10-2005, 02:33 PM

I am a fan of ruger autos all the way, I have a customized p90 that I shall not part with. And I know first hand that they can shoot right with an H&K.

pipsqueak · 07-10-2005, 11:24 PM

What's the point? It'll just cost a lot of money to switch. Is there some
reason the .45 is better? I thought they were about equally effective with
good ammo. Even if the .45 is a better stopper with that ball stuff the
military might have to use. 15 shots of 9mm has the potential to go further
than 9 shots of .45. Right? I thought that's what the military has pistols for anyway. For when they run out of rifle ammo, or when the rifle malfunctions.
They can hold more shots of 9mm. I understand the .45 is usually preferred by
consumers like us for personal defense and home defense to the 9mm, but
I think more shots is probably more useful for most military situations. If weight
and bulk weren't an issue they would probably just carry a second rifle as
backup.

BigJake · 07-13-2005, 01:18 AM

The 9mm potential and Mag capacity vs. the .45s potential and Lack of Capacity.
This is always a debate that both the 9mm fans and the .45 fans consider frivolous.
I can see Both sides of the issue, but to post my opinion I would rather tote 3-10 round mags full of Full weight .45 fmj, than 3-15 round mags of 9mm fmj. (considering they pick a decent .45)

afterthought "Heck a back up rifle would be pretty cool too if I could handle the weight."

07-13-2005, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipsqueak

What's the point? It'll just cost a lot of money to switch

the Government doesn't care how much of your money it spends

BigJake · 07-13-2005, 10:07 AM

Heck if its my money they're spending I hope it goes to a .45 .

07-06-2005, 11:49 PM	#1
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Millitary dumping the Baretta92 ! check this link out, I heard about it from my friend and G&G member in OCS school. "Dump the M9 and pack a 45" __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist.

07-07-2005, 06:34 AM	#3
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,288	Key here is the weapons developers want it but it might boil down to who (and what companies) Congressmen and Army officials have a financial interest in and "loyalty" to. I side with the .45 ACP. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

07-07-2005, 03:02 PM	#5
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,288	I sure hope NOT Glock! Thinking maybe Springfield. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

07-07-2005, 06:05 PM	#8
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	I was told that the article mentioned 3 manufacturers and I can only remember 2 One was Sig and the other H&K. The third was I think Hi Point..... Just kidding I cant remember the third. __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist.

07-07-2005, 07:04 PM	#10
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	acctualy some units have allready been aproved to purchase and carry the ruger 45. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

07-07-2005, 05:48 AM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Cover Story Back to the future Soldiers have been saying it for two decades — get rid of the M9 and go back to a .45 caliber. Now Army weapons developers want to do just that. (For subscribers only)

07-07-2005, 07:13 AM	#4
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,760	About time. I doubt they'll go with the 1911, wonder which .45 will get the nod?

07-07-2005, 04:17 PM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	wish they'd pick domestic contractors

07-09-2005, 12:52 PM	#12
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	I heard that the gun to replace the m9 is going to be decocker and first shot double action second single... thats the only features I know of. Excluding special operation units I think the "cocked and locked" days are over. Sad to say. __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist.

07-09-2005, 12:58 PM	#13
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	If those are the specs. Ruger has what they are looking for.

07-09-2005, 01:06 PM	#14
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	Gauge/Caliber: .45 Auto Capacity: 8 Rounds Finish: Blued Stock/Grip: Black Synthetic Barrel Length: 4 1/2" Rear Sight: Fixed Other Features: Manual Safety / Firing Pin Block Suggested Retail Price: $ 525.00 Miscellaneous: N/A Ruger Manual Safety P-Series pistols offer the following features: A manual ambidextrous safety that, when engaged, prevents firing unless the lever is returned to the "fire" position. Ruger Camblock design that reduces felt recoil and dissipates stress. High visibility front and rear sights. P95PR and KP95PR models feature a new, textured frame and Picatinny-style accessory rail. P345 pistols feature a new frame with checkered grip areas, front-strap, and back-strap, loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect, and internal lock. KP345PR and P345PR models include a frame-integral Picatinny accessory rail. All P-Series pistols are designed to be easily maintained and can be field-stripped into five major subassemblies for cleaning, without the need for special tools. 15 - round models not available in all states and locales. 10 - round models are available where required to meet state and local regulations limiting magazine capacity.

07-09-2005, 01:47 PM	#15
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,795	Eh, just use a bigger caliber.... BTW, Uncle Sam? I will take all the M9's off yer hands for free. They will be checked and re checked, then sold with 40% of the profits to be returned to the US Military.....with 17 or 18 of the newest kept on hand for personal use/collection... I am also in aposition to take all the 9mm ammo off your hands for use in the same fashion....... __________________ FNUH!

07-10-2005, 02:33 PM	#16
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	I am a fan of ruger autos all the way, I have a customized p90 that I shall not part with. And I know first hand that they can shoot right with an H&K. __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist.

07-10-2005, 11:24 PM	#17
pipsqueak Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Southwest Washington State Posts: 78	What's the point? It'll just cost a lot of money to switch. Is there some reason the .45 is better? I thought they were about equally effective with good ammo. Even if the .45 is a better stopper with that ball stuff the military might have to use. 15 shots of 9mm has the potential to go further than 9 shots of .45. Right? I thought that's what the military has pistols for anyway. For when they run out of rifle ammo, or when the rifle malfunctions. They can hold more shots of 9mm. I understand the .45 is usually preferred by consumers like us for personal defense and home defense to the 9mm, but I think more shots is probably more useful for most military situations. If weight and bulk weren't an issue they would probably just carry a second rifle as backup.

07-13-2005, 01:18 AM	#18
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	The 9mm potential and Mag capacity vs. the .45s potential and Lack of Capacity. This is always a debate that both the 9mm fans and the .45 fans consider frivolous. I can see Both sides of the issue, but to post my opinion I would rather tote 3-10 round mags full of Full weight .45 fmj, than 3-15 round mags of 9mm fmj. (considering they pick a decent .45) afterthought "Heck a back up rifle would be pretty cool too if I could handle the weight." __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist. Last edited by BigJake; 07-13-2005 at 01:21 AM. Reason: Afterthought

07-13-2005, 10:07 AM	#20
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Heck if its my money they're spending I hope it goes to a .45 . __________________ Don your goggles if you wish to resist.