Which pistol is very reliable and very accurate?

lightwave · 07-28-2005, 05:57 PM

I would like to know what is a very reliable and very accurate pistol. Browsing a Russian website, they have a brief description of the Walther P99 and say it is "extremely reliable and extremely accurate". Does anyone know of the P99's quality and what is the best pistol for reliability and accuracy?

Thanks in advance.

Robert.
Sydney.

practical · 07-28-2005, 07:41 PM

Well if the P22 is any indication, the P99 is a gigantic hunk of crap.

Moderately priced: Glock17/19, Ruger P95, CZ75
Expensive: Kimber 1911, Browning Hi-Power

SilverRun · 07-28-2005, 08:19 PM

Glock's are good (if you have had some experiece with pistols). Kimber's are good if you can afford them. Ruger's P series are ok for the money. My suggestion would be to look at a Springfield XD-40. Great guns.

Johnny_Revolver · 07-28-2005, 09:05 PM

Ed Browns hardly get a mention in gun forums, why is that? They sure look sweet.

silentknight · 07-28-2005, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by practical

Well if the P22 is any indication, the P99 is a gigantic hunk of crap.

Moderately priced: Glock17/19, Ruger P95, CZ75
Expensive: Kimber 1911, Browning Hi-Power

The P99 is worlds above the P22 quality wise. They are a very good pistol for the money, if you can find a QA model buy it. Another good pistol, like Silver Run said before, is the Springfield XD series. Mine is the most ergonomic pistol that I've ever used. But probably the best bang for the buck (sorry for the horrible pun there) is the Steyr pistol series. BattlerifleG3 can back me up on this one. They may look a little funny, but the people who can get over the funky looks are plesantly supprised. Very accurate, reliable, affordable. But my advice to you is, get whatever you feel most comforable with, thats the most important thing.

eljay · 07-28-2005, 09:52 PM

When it's all said and done, there's not a pistol out there to compare, from a reliability standpoint, to the Glock. Absolutely, totally, none. You can like them (as I do) or hate them, nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint.
eljay

silentknight · 07-28-2005, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eljay

nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint.
eljay

Actually the XD9 recently went through a 20,000 round torture test, where it was frozen, submersed in mud and sand. No FTF, FTE, misfire, etc... I'd say that puts it on par with Glock. Check out the June/July issue of handguns magazine

practical · 07-28-2005, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentknight

The P99 is worlds above the P22 quality wise. They are a very good pistol for the money, if you can find a QA model buy it. Another good pistol, like Silver Run said before, is the Springfield XD series. Mine is the most ergonomic pistol that I've ever used. But probably the best bang for the buck (sorry for the horrible pun there) is the Steyr pistol series. BattlerifleG3 can back me up on this one. They may look a little funny, but the people who can get over the funky looks are plesantly supprised. Very accurate, reliable, affordable. But my advice to you is, get whatever you feel most comforable with, thats the most important thing.

The P22 just left such a bad taste in my mouth, that the only Walther I'll ever buy from here out is the PPK. That would likely end up a gf gun anyways.

BattleRifleG3 · 07-29-2005, 01:39 AM

Darn tootin on the Steyr M series. Excellent reliability, smooth cycling, good trigger for a polymer framed striker fired gun, all the safety features you'd want or would just as soon ignore. I bought one that was supposed to be the first of many handguns. I have not bought another handgun since. NOTHING can beat it in my opinion and NOTHING can beat its price for the quality.

IF you are still looking, you can get similar reliability in a Springfield XD. HK USPs are also good choices. They cost twice as much as the Steyr but features are different if you want them that way and folks say they're just as good.

Glocks are fine, but really the Spring XDs are every bit as good and less expensive. Glocks have a big name and frankly I think that's the only reason they can stay in business charging that much (at least in the American market.) Also, the ones with perfect reliability are the 9mm and 10mm models. Ones in 40 and 45 ACP simply aren't as good. Some specimens, perhaps many specimens are great, but simply put, whatever problems are traditionally associated with Glocks are primarily in the 40 and 45 ACP models. Sigs are quality as well if you like the feel and features.

Reason I say Steyr without a doubt:
1. Reliability is BEST, others can only equal it.
2. Feel is BEST, second to none. This is due to a low barrel axis that NOTHING else features.
3. Price is BETTER than anything that has any of the same qualities and quality is BETTER than anything at the same or lower price.

The ONLY centerfire auto pistols I would even consider at a lower price would be variations of the Browning, Beretta, Walther PP/PPK, Makarov, CZ-52, or CZ-75. That's it.

07-29-2005, 05:11 AM

I'm voting for my Sig 229 in .40 caliber :target:

Big Dog · 07-29-2005, 06:59 AM

Barring some crappy ammo, my ten year old Colt 1991A1 has NEVER failed or let me down.
Total reliability, enough accuracy to get the job done. A bit heavy for CCW though.

However, it's getting tougher every day to maintain my hatred for the Plastic Fantastic. The Glock is one ugly amphibian - but I shoot the danged thing so well! :nod:

07-29-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

my ten year old Colt 1991A1 has NEVER failed or let me down.
Total reliability, enough accuracy to get the job done

I'm thinking about getting one of those BD :target:

eljay · 07-29-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentknight

Actually the XD9 recently went through a 20,000 round torture test, where it was frozen, submersed in mud and sand. No FTF, FTE, misfire, etc... I'd say that puts it on par with Glock. Check out the June/July issue of handguns magazine

A person can use test results to defend a choice, or to make one. I chose Glock because of existing survivability testing.
eljay

Jesse · 07-29-2005, 08:18 PM

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/s-a...highlight=4506

I picked this pistol up at a great price. With a little custom work it has become the most reliable single stack .45 ACP pistol I own. I highly reccomend.

Competed with a Glock 21 (.45acp) for the first time this past weekend, it had a Bar-Sto barrel installed... ( www.barsto.com ). Great results, the Glock 21 is a sound choice in my book. The reliability, accuracy, and payload are impressive.

Along with the 1911, the previously mentioned pistols are easy to get parts for. S&W auto parts are found through Brownells or on the auction forums fairly cheap. Glock parts are absolutely everywhere. :nod:

troylaplante · 07-29-2005, 09:08 PM

I concur with Jesse's 4506 recommendation. Mine has been extremely reliable and easy to strip and clean. However, I do not recommend it for competition use. I love it for defense and practice shooting. I keep one beside the bed.

lightwave · 07-31-2005, 10:14 AM

Thanks all, you've been very helpful. I've made no decision on what to buy but the Glock 17 or 19, or Springfield XD9 look to be one of the choices.

Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

Dale · 07-31-2005, 02:15 PM

quote by eljay:

"When it's all said and done, there's not a pistol out there to compare, from a reliability standpoint, to the Glock. Absolutely, totally, none. You can like them (as I do) or hate them, nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint."

I've fired many Glocks...had a couple as service guns...I sure wouldn't put them a the top of MY reliability check list.

There are many great guns out there (among them Sig....Colt.....Springfield....Beretta....and the list goes on) but I'd leave the Glock off of a list reserved for the great ones.

If they were totally reliable then there sure wouldn't be a large group of disenters against the plastic 'Matel" guns, LOL.

But, as always, eljay is entitled to his opinion...yepper....fer sure!

eljay · 07-31-2005, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale

quote by eljay:

"When it's all said and done, there's not a pistol out there to compare, from a reliability standpoint, to the Glock. Absolutely, totally, none. You can like them (as I do) or hate them, nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint."

I've fired many Glocks...had a couple as service guns...I sure wouldn't put them a the top of MY reliability check list.

There are many great guns out there (among them Sig....Colt.....Springfield....Beretta....and the list goes on) but I'd leave the Glock off of a list reserved for the great ones.

If they were totally reliable then there sure wouldn't be a large group of disenters against the plastic 'Matel" guns, LOL.

But, as always, eljay is entitled to his opinion...yepper....fer sure!

Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that. I respect your opinion, also.
eljay

Dale · 08-01-2005, 07:10 AM

BTW, eljay...I forgot to.....

Welcome aboard!

I've been out of pocket for a couple of weeks and I'm sure you received the warm welcomes here and I wanted to add mine, also.

Once again........welcome.

Thrawn · 08-01-2005, 08:35 AM

The most reliable and accurate pistol I have ever had has been a Helwan, yep you heard me.

No jams or misfeeds. It has been covered in sand, mud, grease, powder fouling and never a hiccup. It's down sides are 9mm, poor finish, heavy (but clean) trigger pull, 8 round capacity, and itty bitty sights. My second choice is my Millienium PT145 and that's only because I'm slightly more accurate with my Helwan. These are just my observations you might get a pistol that has given me a couple of problems and never experience a flaw.

07-28-2005, 05:57 PM	#1
lightwave Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 18	Which pistol is very reliable and very accurate? I would like to know what is a very reliable and very accurate pistol. Browsing a Russian website, they have a brief description of the Walther P99 and say it is "extremely reliable and extremely accurate". Does anyone know of the P99's quality and what is the best pistol for reliability and accuracy? Thanks in advance. Robert. Sydney.

07-28-2005, 07:41 PM	#2
practical Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA/Casper, WY Posts: 736	Well if the P22 is any indication, the P99 is a gigantic hunk of crap. Moderately priced: Glock17/19, Ruger P95, CZ75 Expensive: Kimber 1911, Browning Hi-Power __________________ Eric "The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made"

07-28-2005, 09:52 PM	#6
eljay Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 58	Reliable pistol? When it's all said and done, there's not a pistol out there to compare, from a reliability standpoint, to the Glock. Absolutely, totally, none. You can like them (as I do) or hate them, nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint. eljay

07-29-2005, 01:39 AM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,402 Images: 13	Darn tootin on the Steyr M series. Excellent reliability, smooth cycling, good trigger for a polymer framed striker fired gun, all the safety features you'd want or would just as soon ignore. I bought one that was supposed to be the first of many handguns. I have not bought another handgun since. NOTHING can beat it in my opinion and NOTHING can beat its price for the quality. IF you are still looking, you can get similar reliability in a Springfield XD. HK USPs are also good choices. They cost twice as much as the Steyr but features are different if you want them that way and folks say they're just as good. Glocks are fine, but really the Spring XDs are every bit as good and less expensive. Glocks have a big name and frankly I think that's the only reason they can stay in business charging that much (at least in the American market.) Also, the ones with perfect reliability are the 9mm and 10mm models. Ones in 40 and 45 ACP simply aren't as good. Some specimens, perhaps many specimens are great, but simply put, whatever problems are traditionally associated with Glocks are primarily in the 40 and 45 ACP models. Sigs are quality as well if you like the feel and features. Reason I say Steyr without a doubt: 1. Reliability is BEST, others can only equal it. 2. Feel is BEST, second to none. This is due to a low barrel axis that NOTHING else features. 3. Price is BETTER than anything that has any of the same qualities and quality is BETTER than anything at the same or lower price. The ONLY centerfire auto pistols I would even consider at a lower price would be variations of the Browning, Beretta, Walther PP/PPK, Makarov, CZ-52, or CZ-75. That's it. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

07-29-2005, 06:59 AM	#11
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,225	Barring some crappy ammo, my ten year old Colt 1991A1 has NEVER failed or let me down. Total reliability, enough accuracy to get the job done. A bit heavy for CCW though. However, it's getting tougher every day to maintain my hatred for the Plastic Fantastic. The Glock is one ugly amphibian - but I shoot the danged thing so well! :nod: __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-28-2005, 08:19 PM	#3
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	Glock's are good (if you have had some experiece with pistols). Kimber's are good if you can afford them. Ruger's P series are ok for the money. My suggestion would be to look at a Springfield XD-40. Great guns.

07-28-2005, 09:05 PM	#4
Johnny_Revolver Gun Liker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,209 Blog Entries: 6	Ed Browns hardly get a mention in gun forums, why is that? They sure look sweet.

07-29-2005, 05:11 AM	#10
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I'm voting for my Sig 229 in .40 caliber :target:

07-29-2005, 08:18 PM	#14
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/s-a...highlight=4506 I picked this pistol up at a great price. With a little custom work it has become the most reliable single stack .45 ACP pistol I own. I highly reccomend. Competed with a Glock 21 (.45acp) for the first time this past weekend, it had a Bar-Sto barrel installed... ( www.barsto.com ). Great results, the Glock 21 is a sound choice in my book. The reliability, accuracy, and payload are impressive. Along with the 1911, the previously mentioned pistols are easy to get parts for. S&W auto parts are found through Brownells or on the auction forums fairly cheap. Glock parts are absolutely everywhere. :nod: __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

07-29-2005, 09:08 PM	#15
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223	I concur with Jesse's 4506 recommendation. Mine has been extremely reliable and easy to strip and clean. However, I do not recommend it for competition use. I love it for defense and practice shooting. I keep one beside the bed.

07-31-2005, 10:14 AM	#16
lightwave Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 18	Thanks all, you've been very helpful. I've made no decision on what to buy but the Glock 17 or 19, or Springfield XD9 look to be one of the choices. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

07-31-2005, 02:15 PM	#17
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	quote by eljay: "When it's all said and done, there's not a pistol out there to compare, from a reliability standpoint, to the Glock. Absolutely, totally, none. You can like them (as I do) or hate them, nobody else can compare from a reliability standpoint." I've fired many Glocks...had a couple as service guns...I sure wouldn't put them a the top of MY reliability check list. There are many *great* guns out there (among them Sig....Colt.....Springfield....Beretta....and the list goes on) but I'd leave the Glock off of a list reserved for the great ones. If they were totally reliable then there sure wouldn't be a large group of disenters against the plastic 'Matel" guns, LOL. But, as always, eljay is entitled to his opinion...yepper....fer sure! __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

08-01-2005, 07:10 AM	#19
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	BTW, eljay...I forgot to..... Welcome aboard! I've been out of pocket for a couple of weeks and I'm sure you received the warm welcomes here and I wanted to add mine, also. Once again........welcome. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

08-01-2005, 08:35 AM	#20
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	The most reliable and accurate pistol I have ever had has been a Helwan, yep you heard me. No jams or misfeeds. It has been covered in sand, mud, grease, powder fouling and never a hiccup. It's down sides are 9mm, poor finish, heavy (but clean) trigger pull, 8 round capacity, and itty bitty sights. My second choice is my Millienium PT145 and that's only because I'm slightly more accurate with my Helwan. These are just my observations you might get a pistol that has given me a couple of problems and never experience a flaw.