Rare gun, can you Identify?

BigJake · 10-06-2005, 08:59 PM

Someone I know has a 9mm pistol that he thinks was made in the late 60s or early 70s. The magazine disconnect is a heel release model, but the Kicker is, on one side of the slide it says "Browning" on the other side of the slide it says "Sig".

Have you ever heard of this? and if so would it be worth much?

I did hear something about Browning making the gun for the millitary, to replace the 45 and when they didn't take it they sold the rights to Sig. But I am not sure if that is the true story. what do you think?

ash · 10-06-2005, 09:03 PM

Can you get a picture?

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-07-2005, 05:58 AM

It might be a parts gum consisting of parts from several different "cloned" guns.

Ash is right pics are needed.

BigJake · 10-07-2005, 08:43 PM

Can't get a pic, the owner is an instructor at a College where I am taking some courses. We talk about guns some and he explained this gun to me. I try not to talk too radical about certian subjects concerning firearms in a school environment, even though I know he is a second amendment defender, (and an ex Marine Sniper) there are always "Liberal anti-freedom" type ears that would love to try and cause a frenzy over a half digested conversation. If the subject comes back up I will ask if he has a pic and will be glad to post tho. thanks for responding.

Bearman · 10-08-2005, 03:34 PM

I was selling guns in the early 70's. Never even heard of Sig in those days, don't think it even existed. What is the magazine capacity of this pistol? Sounds like a Browning Hi-Power. Can't place the Sig on the slide, too many years ago.

Big Dog · 10-09-2005, 06:51 AM

Sounds like the unsuccessful Browning BDA, sold in 1977-79. Manufactured by J.P. Sauer (later 'SIG-Sauer), marketed by Browning. Similar to the SIG P220. Made in 9mmLuger, .45ACP and .38 Super.

Pumpkinheaver · 10-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Browning used to import the sig, big dog is right.

Bookman · 10-17-2005, 07:07 PM

Good call, BigDog. You the man.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-17-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Sounds like the unsuccessful Browning BDA, sold in 1977-79. Manufactured by J.P. Sauer (later 'SIG-Sauer), marketed by Browning. Similar to the SIG P220. Made in 9mmLuger, .45ACP and .38 Super.

Can't say you don't learn new stuff everyday.

Big Dog · 10-18-2005, 08:55 AM

Having the right books helps. Y'all think I actually knew that off the top o'me head?

QKShooter · 10-18-2005, 02:36 PM

It sure looks like a really nice place with some great folks here.
I new here but, I'm a senior moderator over at CombatCarry.com which is another fantastic web forum filled with even more great, polite, concealed carry folks. All are welcome.
The SIG BROWNING is my almost daily carry firearm. Mine is in .45 ACP. Also known as the Browning BDA. Actually, I own two...both in .45 caliber.
Mine are Double Roll Marked with both Browning Arms ~ Morgan, Utah.
And on the flip side of the slide: SIG SAUER SYSTEM Made In W. Germany.
You are 100% correct about the magazine release being "on the butt" - It takes a little bit of getting used to.
Especially since I switch back & forth (for carry) with the Colt Combat Commander & sometimes a GLOCK 36.
My pistols are identical to the AMERICAN SIG P220 except for the European Style magazine release. The European version can use either the American 220 magazines or the European (which have no little rectangular mag release cuts on the magazine body) So...the Euro mags cannot be used in the American SIG 220.
The Euro SIG firearm is amazingly accurate and fit together like a fine watch. I carry mine because they feed everything flawlessly. I have never had a failure to feed or eject with either one of my two SIG/BROWNING pistols. The pistol is Double Action for the first shot and then all follow up shots are single action.
I hope this information helps.

Big Dog · 10-18-2005, 05:31 PM

My buddy just bought a used SIG 220 from an auction site. It's 80's production, European mag style. He just got four US mags on another auction, and they work fine. It's more accurate for him than his SA 1911A1.
The trigger is quite decent for a DA pistol - Ruger and S&W could take lessons!

BigJake · 10-23-2005, 12:52 AM

I just saw a picture of the handgun in question the other day, and am trying to get it posted if it ever gets e mailed back to me. the picture I saw was of only one side, and although the gun looks like the E. German police gun, it had "browning" written on the grips, they looked like hi power grips. anyway Ill see if I can get a pic up soon.

10-06-2005, 08:59 PM	#1
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Rare gun, can you Identify? Someone I know has a 9mm pistol that he thinks was made in the late 60s or early 70s. The magazine disconnect is a heel release model, but the Kicker is, on one side of the slide it says "Browning" on the other side of the slide it says "Sig". Have you ever heard of this? and if so would it be worth much? I did hear something about Browning making the gun for the millitary, to replace the 45 and when they didn't take it they sold the rights to Sig. But I am not sure if that is the true story. what do you think? __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

10-07-2005, 05:58 AM	#3
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	It might be a parts gum consisting of parts from several different "cloned" guns. Ash is right pics are needed. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

10-07-2005, 08:43 PM	#4
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	Can't get a pic, the owner is an instructor at a College where I am taking some courses. We talk about guns some and he explained this gun to me. I try not to talk too radical about certian subjects concerning firearms in a school environment, even though I know he is a second amendment defender, (and an ex Marine Sniper) there are always "Liberal anti-freedom" type ears that would love to try and cause a frenzy over a half digested conversation. If the subject comes back up I will ask if he has a pic and will be glad to post tho. thanks for responding. __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

10-09-2005, 06:51 AM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Sounds like the unsuccessful Browning BDA, sold in 1977-79. Manufactured by J.P. Sauer (later 'SIG-Sauer), marketed by Browning. Similar to the SIG P220. Made in 9mmLuger, .45ACP and .38 Super. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-17-2005, 11:47 AM	#7
Pumpkinheaver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,340	Browning used to import the sig, big dog is right. __________________ Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

10-06-2005, 09:03 PM	#2
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 934 Images: 3	Can you get a picture?

10-08-2005, 03:34 PM	#5
Bearman Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5	I was selling guns in the early 70's. Never even heard of Sig in those days, don't think it even existed. What is the magazine capacity of this pistol? Sounds like a Browning Hi-Power. Can't place the Sig on the slide, too many years ago.

10-17-2005, 07:07 PM	#8
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738	Good call, BigDog. You the man.

10-18-2005, 08:55 AM	#10
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Having the right books helps. Y'all think I actually knew that off the top o'me head? __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-18-2005, 02:36 PM	#11
QKShooter Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1	Hi Folks - I'm A New Member Here It sure looks like a really nice place with some great folks here. I new here but, I'm a senior moderator over at CombatCarry.com which is another fantastic web forum filled with even more great, polite, concealed carry folks. All are welcome. The SIG BROWNING is my almost daily carry firearm. Mine is in .45 ACP. Also known as the Browning BDA. Actually, I own two...both in .45 caliber. Mine are Double Roll Marked with both Browning Arms ~ Morgan, Utah. And on the flip side of the slide: SIG SAUER SYSTEM Made In W. Germany. You are 100% correct about the magazine release being "on the butt" - It takes a little bit of getting used to. Especially since I switch back & forth (for carry) with the Colt Combat Commander & sometimes a GLOCK 36. My pistols are identical to the AMERICAN SIG P220 except for the European Style magazine release. The European version can use either the American 220 magazines or the European (which have no little rectangular mag release cuts on the magazine body) So...the Euro mags cannot be used in the American SIG 220. The Euro SIG firearm is amazingly accurate and fit together like a fine watch. I carry mine because they feed everything flawlessly. I have never had a failure to feed or eject with either one of my two SIG/BROWNING pistols. The pistol is Double Action for the first shot and then all follow up shots are single action. I hope this information helps. Last edited by QKShooter; 10-18-2005 at 02:41 PM. Reason: correct typo

10-18-2005, 05:31 PM	#12
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	My buddy just bought a used SIG 220 from an auction site. It's 80's production, European mag style. He just got four US mags on another auction, and they work fine. It's more accurate for him than his SA 1911A1. The trigger is quite decent for a DA pistol - Ruger and S&W could take lessons! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-23-2005, 12:52 AM	#13
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184	I just saw a picture of the handgun in question the other day, and am trying to get it posted if it ever gets e mailed back to me. the picture I saw was of only one side, and although the gun looks like the E. German police gun, it had "browning" written on the grips, they looked like hi power grips. anyway Ill see if I can get a pic up soon. __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...