[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

huh personally, i wouldnt go to any table that was selling "just private sales" i had someone want to trade my cetme for 50 bucks and their sig pro, but i didnt want to......but for a whole table....kinda puts a bad image with it know what i mean

It was pretty obvious what was going on. They were selling crap guns at top dollar and several people wearing Red or Blue bandanas along with pants 9 sizes too big for them and gold chains & teeth paying cash. All the tables selling quality guns had the business looking people filling out proper paperwork for good quality guns and mostly paying with credit cards. Every time the cop would pass by the "Private Sale" table the crowd would disappear. It scares me that those type of private sales are legal in Florida.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

It was pretty obvious what was going on. They were selling crap guns at top dollar and several people wearing Red or Blue bandanas along with pants 9 sizes too big for them and gold chains & teeth paying cash. All the tables selling quality guns had the business looking people filling out proper paperwork for good quality guns and mostly paying with credit cards. Every time the cop would pass by the "Private Sale" table the crowd would disappear. It scares me that those type of private sales are legal in Florida.

they are...but not really

honestly if i was a gun vendor, i wouldnt sell to anyone who matched that description

also wouldnt do private sales

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

they are...but not really honestly if i was a gun vendor, i wouldnt sell to anyone who matched that description also wouldnt do private sales

I don't think anyone who holds a FFL is allowed to make private sales even if selling their own personal gun. I agree with you, I wouldn't want to be responsible for a gun sold that way. I saw a few of them go right from the gun table over to the ammo table and stock up. Made me very glad I had my gun with me walking through the parking lot to my car. I had bought some Cor Bon's and some Gold Dots. Loaded my carry pistol the second I got out of the building.

[TexasT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Beach Bum

I'd tell Moose or anyone to get a Taurus over a Jimenez or High Point for sure.

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

Great point Beach Bum. Not to mention, in my opinion, Taurus is a great gun for a low cost.

Looks like you two don't know Moose very well then...

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

I don't think anyone who holds a FFL is allowed to make private sales even if selling their own personal gun. I agree with you, I wouldn't want to be responsible for a gun sold that way. I saw a few of them go right from the gun table over to the ammo table and stock up. Made me very glad I had my gun with me walking through the parking lot to my car. I had bought some Cor Bon's and some Gold Dots. Loaded my carry pistol the second I got out of the building.

ya

just know your packing more punch and, well just something better

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

ya just know your packing more punch and, well just something better

Yep. XD .40 holding 12 + 1 loaded with Cor Bon that day would beat their Phenox, Jimenez or High Point. Probably much more accurate than their side ways Rap Star stance too. I think they knew there place. There are tons of cops both on and off duty at a gun show.

[stalebiscuit]

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

Where did you find that? You should see me laughing away at my desk. I always respected your posts and knowledge of firearms but now you gained more respect. You know your firearms, show safety as priority # 1 and............ You are funny as hell. My hat is off to you my friend.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

Where did you find that? You should see me laughing away at my desk. I always respected your posts and knowledge of firearms but now you gained more respect. You know your firearms, show safety as priority # 1 and............ You are funny as hell. My hat is off to you my friend.

as much as i appreciate your praise, i didnt make it and it is an old picture, but im glad i could share

hehe, you should have been here for the funny picture thread i started a few months back, everyone pulling their resources, ohh man every post was a riot

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stalebiscuit

as much as i appreciate your praise, i didnt make it and it is an old picture, but im glad i could share hehe, you should have been here for the funny picture thread i started a few months back, everyone pulling their resources, ohh man every post was a riot

That would be fun. I love this site but we could always use some more humor. Great source of info here and I learn a lot every day but laughing is fun too.

[Taurus Fan]

Jimenez Arms 9mm complete with plastic trigger yes you should definately buy one

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

That would be fun. I love this site but we could always use some more humor. Great source of info here and I learn a lot every day but laughing is fun too.

ohh i know what you mean, when i joined i was skeptical of the friendliest forum on the web......but it really is true, those who dish out and warrant negative behavior dont stay long, mostly because we the users ignore them and they go away on their own

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Jimenez Arms 9mm complete with plastic trigger yes you should definately buy one

say what!

[Buffalo11]

I owned and returned one the same day..Every other shot jambed.. That answer it for you? OK, they were originally in CA. got thrown out of the State and went to Arizona..Hear say has it they are a very bad unreliable weapon.. The one I had went direct to factory from my dealer..They would not answer his calls etc..Real upstanding group..
wPm

[sunwheel29]

Without meaning to be insultful to anybody, let me state this.

Avoid ANY striker fired handgun made with a zinc alloy slide instead of Steel.

No matter if it says "Jennings, Jimenez, Hi Point, Bryco, Lorcin, Fidel Castro or Smith and Wesson" avoid it all all costs because Zinc is pot metal not fit for gun slides.

S&W fiddled around with a .380 made with a zinc slide a decade or so ago and regretted it. It had like a 1,200 round life expectancy before the slide ruptured.

Zinc is pot metal.You would be better off with a gun made of pig iron.

I have experience with many of these guns and I can honestly say, many of them won't stand up to 200 rounds, let alone 2000.
The man who buys one is often fooled into thinking he has gotten a "buy" but has a false sense of value.
I remember when a friend of mine paid $99 for one. It broke after 150 rounds and he took it back. It broke within 200 rounds. It basically just fell apart while firing it. He was lucky and the gun shop gave him credit on the money he blew and he upgraded to a Taurus pt-92 and never had another problem.

Lots of people on firearms web sites defend these clunkers by claims of value and warranties and such, but the reality is that it is a FALSE SENSE OF VALUE.
Let me give you an example.
Lets say you buy a new Zinker, and it breaks. You shoot 200 rounds of ammo, and You spend $40 to ship it back to the manufacturer and they replace it with a new one. You repeat that process over and over about ten times, and you would have been better off buying a Mil Spec Auto Ordnance 1911 or a Ruger pistol.
On the other hand, say you spend $500 on a used Beretta. You might get 25,000 rounds through it before you have to replace the locking block. In other words, you done spent more money on the ammo, than you did on the gun.
It would cost you a LOT more money in the long run to fire 25,000 rounds of ammo through a Zinker....

Something else to keep in mind about the various striker fired zinc guns. Often, they will fire when you DON'T want them to, as the firing pins get stuck in the forward position leading to slam fires. Other times they won't fire when you want them too.
Who needs the hassle?
If money is THAT TIGHT and I can understand how it could be, buy a used revolver.
Its still possible to get police trade in .38s in the $200 range....if you look around.
I bought most of my guns when I made minimum wage as a security guard.
I would take my income tax refund and buy a good gun once a year.
If you aren't that patient get a credit card and make payments or look around and put something decent in layaway.

The final thing to remember vis a vis Zinc guns, is that you seldom ever get your money back out of them. Pay $150 for one today, and you MIGHT be able to sell it for $50 when you get tired/embarrassed of it.

Don't be lulled into an action you may regret by a false sense of value. Real value is when a budget priced item lasts for a long time - like a KBI Browning Hi Power clone, or a Taurus revolver. Not just because something is "cheap."

[crashphoenix]

Thank Goodness you didn't get it. I own all matter of firearms, From high end to low end. If I have enough after buying something I want, I try and pick up cheap guns just to test and see how the are. In that price range, I'd go for a high point, a used makarov or revolver. I bought a Junkmenez to try out and almost didnt survive the experience. I really can't belive it's legal to sell them. Not to mention the jamming issues and lack of any kind of support. I destroyed it rather than take the chance of it hurting someone later on. I was pleasantly surprised with the high point. Yes it's clunky. Yes it's cheap. And oh my god how UGLY. But so far I haven't had any problems with it. A good friend of mine bought a Hi point and had trouble with it jamming/feeding. A call to Hi point, and they said a new mag should fix it. One was sent to him no charge, and so far hasn't had issues. But like anything you get what you pay for. For something cheap to throw in the boat or backpack, or take to the range they're ok. But definitely stay away from Jimenez.

[lonestarbandit]

jennings j-9? bad bad bad idea had one. slide blew off missed my rt eye my what an inch? more dangerous to the operator than the target. and yes it was that cheap pig metal. though i am not a fan of taurus. bought 24/7 in 9mm. took it to range to use for cw re-new. instructor asked thats not what you were going to shoot with right? i answered in the affirmative he showed me the feedramp. factory gouged bad by somthing. dunno why i failed to check it at the gun show. brand new gun. sent back to taurus to fix. still over month later no gun. biggest waste of 350.00 ever. serveral phone calls confirm they have it and will get to it "soon" so far i spent 350.00 2.5 months ago (never checked gun till went for cw permit month after purchase) and for this i have to show....nothing. and taurus customer service is NOT helpful. even a bit smart assed. will never buy another taurus.

[travisg96]

Worked with a guy who had a j-22 that had broken. He took it to a gun shop for repair and they told him to throw it away and feel lucky it hadn't blown up in his hand. As for a Hi-point, their web site says they have been around for 20 years. Is there any history of problems with them? I read wikapedia's page and know that parts are die cast zink (zamak) but they are low stress parts. I own a 9mm compact and a 9mm carbine. They are fun to shoot. Only problem with jamming was when I first got it and was not loading the clip correctly. As for guns blowing up in peoples faces, my brother had a winchester bolt action 22 blow up in his face when he was a kid.

[Constantine1911]

Hi Points are very reliable, they have a break in period just like several guns. The break in period is just getting the paint off the feed ramp by shooting the gun or polishing it. They are not jam o matics!!!!!!

Jennings/Bryco/Jimmenez maybe but not Hi Point!!!

[Mooseman684]

Quote:       Originally Posted by lonestarbandit

jennings j-9? bad bad bad idea had one. slide blew off missed my rt eye my what an inch? more dangerous to the operator than the target. and yes it was that cheap pig metal. though i am not a fan of taurus. bought 24/7 in 9mm. took it to range to use for cw re-new. instructor asked thats not what you were going to shoot with right? i answered in the affirmative he showed me the feedramp. factory gouged bad by somthing. dunno why i failed to check it at the gun show. brand new gun. sent back to taurus to fix. still over month later no gun. biggest waste of 350.00 ever. serveral phone calls confirm they have it and will get to it "soon" so far i spent 350.00 2.5 months ago (never checked gun till went for cw permit month after purchase) and for this i have to show....nothing. and taurus customer service is NOT helpful. even a bit smart assed. will never buy another taurus.

Smart Man !!! Just say NO to Taurus, Jennings ,JUnkMinez , RG, Valor...etc.