[Balrog57]

Make sure you get those new rap-star sights put on 'em!

Sorry, Biscuit, I couldn't help myself - just kiddin'. But really, be careful and let us know.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Balrog57

Make sure you get those new rap-star sights put on 'em! Sorry, Biscuit, I couldn't help myself - just kiddin'. But really, be careful and let us know.

you know it

ill get one of my friends to do the shooting for me so it wont blow up in my hand (jk)

[Balrog57]

Might wanna stand a few yards behind him, too.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

[sunwheel29]

Meanwhile back in the real world, you CAN'T MAKE AN ACCEPTIBLE GUN OUT OF ZINC.

S&W tried it and failed.

the S&W .380 had about a 1,800 round service liife expectancy. That was with a higher grade of zinc too. Then the slide ruptures.
If Smith can't make an acceptible 380 out of pot metal, why do you honestly think anybody is gonna buy a fairy story about a 9mm zinker going 2000 rounds.
Dude, most of us have seen Jennings, Brycos and Hi Points break and fall apart in 250 rounds.

They'd last longer if made from Brass or even Pig Iron. But the manufacturer might be out an extra $4 per unit cost, so they use Zinc on these junkers.

I'd rather spend the $100 for a good knife than a bad gun if I was concerned about self defense.

[saintjobe]

I'll sell you mine, cheap stalebiscuit. I just bought a S&W 38 REVOLVER from a buddy...

[poeticwarrior]

I bought one of these yesterday. Loaded up 2 clips with winchester ammo. 3 shots into the first clip....jam. Cleared it and shot a few more times..jammed again, cleared it, finished the clip. Checked the target, terrible accuracy, no grouping. Put in the second clip, shot 4 shots, gun jammed and the plastic thing with the spring around it popped up and the spring popped most of the way out. It was at this time that I realized I had bought a piece of shit. I plan to return this garbage tomorrow.

[Lobo0311]

My Fiance used to have a jennings 9 mm, she told me about it and then wondered why I stood there shaking my head. I told her it wsa crap she said " Well I never had any problems with it.... of course I didnt shoot it but maybe three times". I just kept shaking my head.

[sunwheel29]

Quote:       Originally Posted by BupNorth

Just what is the "facts" of the JA-9's? ?

The facts are that NOBODY can make a decent gun out of zinc.

It's just not ductile enough. Wrought iron or pig iron can made a serviceable gun. Bronze and brass have been used to make servicable guns.

But Zinc will never cut it.

Steel flexes. It acts like a shock absorber. Tempered and heat treated steel flexes back to it's original shape as its DUCTILE.

Zinc doesn't. Eventually Zinc gets battered out of shape because it is soft and fragile, a lot like lead, actually.

Doesn't matter if you are talking about Raven, Jennings, Hi Point, Bryco, or Jimmenez or S&W, it can't be done. S&W tried and to their credit they discontinued the .380 sigma so fast most people can't remember it.
But I do remember the Sigma. Smiths cheapo .380. Made with a Zinc slide and a better grade of Zinc than the "Ring of Fire" manufacturers EVER used, by the way.
It was designed to cash in on some of that Ring of Fire marketplace pie....

Well, it turned into a huge pie in the face....

You see, gunwriters who had too much dignity and self respect to take a Hi Point or Jennings to the range took this cheapo Smith designed to compete with them to the range and found out it was basically a disposable gun.
When you shoot a zinker the same way you shoot a steel gun, it doesn't last long. IT CAN'T!!!!

It had a 2000 round or less service life expectency so no matter how many BOLD FACED LIES you guys make about your Hi Point, or Jennings, or whatever Zinker cranking out thousands of rounds, anybody who knows anything about guns knows YOU ARE LYING.

You may have fooled yourselves with some of these claims,but you won't fool anybody else. So why bother.

There are good, low cost handguns out there, but they are not made out of zinc.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sunwheel29

The facts are that NOBODY can make a decent gun out of zinc. It's just not ductile enough. Wrought iron or pig iron can made a serviceable gun. Bronze and brass have been used to make servicable guns. But Zinc will never cut it. Steel flexes. It acts like a shock absorber. Tempered and heat treated steel flexes back to it's original shape as its DUCTILE. Zinc doesn't. Eventually Zinc gets battered out of shape because it is soft and fragile, a lot like lead, actually. Doesn't matter if you are talking about Raven, Jennings, Hi Point, Bryco, or Jimmenez or S&W, it can't be done. S&W tried and to their credit they discontinued the .380 sigma so fast most people can't remember it. But I do remember the Sigma. Smiths cheapo .380. Made with a Zinc slide and a better grade of Zinc than the "Ring of Fire" manufacturers EVER used, by the way. It was designed to cash in on some of that Ring of Fire marketplace pie.... Well, it turned into a huge pie in the face.... You see, gunwriters who had too much dignity and self respect to take a Hi Point or Jennings to the range took this cheapo Smith designed to compete with them to the range and found out it was basically a disposable gun. When you shoot a zinker the same way you shoot a steel gun, it doesn't last long. IT CAN'T!!!! It had a 2000 round or less service life expectency so no matter how many BOLD FACED LIES you guys make about your Hi Point, or Jennings, or whatever Zinker cranking out thousands of rounds, anybody who knows anything about guns knows YOU ARE LYING. You may have fooled yourselves with some of these claims,but you won't fool anybody else. So why bother. There are good, low cost handguns out there, but they are not made out of zinc.

now, im going to challenge this on the hi point soon

i plan on buying one very soon, and i will see to it

now, the fact is, in what your saying, is that the gun itselfs will break if made out of zinc (makes sense)

it doesnt mean its a bad or un-reliable gun does it? jennings and bryco sucks probably because they are crappy guns, not necessarily the material they are made out of (or maybe it is, hi point seems to make a more sturdy firearm)

so i tell you what, when i buy a hi point (and ive never shot one or owned one, nor personally know anyone with one) ill give it a 400 round torture test, then put some more rounds through it whenever possible.

you should expect a report by the end of summer (when i get some cash to buy one)

remember, ill be going into this 100% neutral, if hi-point sucks, they suck, and i get to test their customer servie stuff to

so we will wait and see yes? unless you have personal expierence with hi point? (im not going to grace a jennings with my time, i know they suck for a fact)

[jeffsenpai]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sunwheel29

BOLD FACED LIES you guys make about your Hi Point

obligatory rock throwing smilie

You are the only one really lying about Hi-Point... and you have been needlessly warning others off the brand since you starting posting in this thread.

I understand you are trying to persuade others to see your viewpoint. Yes we understand you do not like inexpensive handguns.

I own a Hi-Point handgun. I suppose the fact that I still have all ten fingers to type with makes me a bold-faced liar? I will not lie, I have only fired 750 rounds through it since I bought it about 1 year ago, a mix of WWB and Remington UMC 9mm. The WWB runs smooth as butter, while the UMC ammo chokes everytime, my guess would be due to the fact that it has a shorter overall cartridge length than the Winchester ammo. Feeds wrong. I have never felt like the gun was going to "fall apart". I find it a joy to operate. I would like to shoot more, but my finances currently do not allow that.

Now that I am done with my "bold-faced lie", let me just say that yes, we know it is made of Zamak already. If use of the material bothers anyone, don't make the purchase. Hi-Point produces a handgun that is an incredible value for the budget conscious shooter. Sometimes "just saving up a little more money" isn't an option. I have read nearly every major firearm forum available on the internet for years, and out of every post bashing hi-point, no one has yet to produce a story or pictures about one massively failing, exploding, catastrophically injuring a shooter, etc. At most, there are minor issues that are fixed by sending it back to the factory for a repair.

You can continue your huffing & puffing chest thumping rehash of everything you have already stated in this thread, But simply put, Hi-Point does not belong in the same category as Lorcin, Jennings, Jimenez, and Bryco. Hi-Point is a well established American company, not some fly-by-night operation. Materals and pricepoint do not equal hand grenade-handgun.

My piece is done, sorry if I came across as harsh sounding. Have a good one.

[Metronome]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jeffsenpai

simply put, Hi-Point does not belong in the same category as Lorcin, Jennings, Jimenez, and Bryco. Hi-Point is a well established American company, not some fly-by-night operation. Materals and pricepoint do not equal hand grenade-handgun.

Amen!

Yes, Hi-Point uses lower cost alloys in the manufacture of their firearms. That is fine, it accomplishes what needs to be done, even at the cost of aesthetics. You don't have to like firearms that are designed at a lower price point than you need. These guns are well made tools for people who will most likely need to defend themselves (i.e. lower class and poverty levels) and those who throw the 'Saturday Night Special' moniker around best understand it's roots in disarming the public and racial segregation.

My Hi Point has served me well. It is ugly, it has choked on plenty of crappy ammunition, and when I broke the firing pin after 10 years of abuse, the company was more than happy to send me a new one free of charge. It may not last as long as a Smith & Wesson, but it does not need to, for the cost of one S&W I could have a new Hi Point for each day of the week.

[high point 9mm]

High Point is a fine gun. After a few modifications to the clip 500 rnds with four jams.Father of six cant afford $300 to $500 for a gun so I bought what i could afford and glad Im glad I did.

[Taurus Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by high point 9mm

High Point is a fine gun. After a few modifications to the clip 500 rnds with four jams.Father of six cant afford $300 to $500 for a gun so I bought what i could afford and glad Im glad I did.

4 jams in 500 rounds is still unacceptable for a self defense weapon. I'm assuming before the modifications to the magazine the jamming was even worse? Doesn't sound like a fine gun.

[DarrylT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by BamaBowTie

Rather than cry you should count your blessings. I'm not one to bash "cheap" guns, but those are just dangerous. Jimenez is just the most recent incarnation Jennings! The Jennings J-9 had a reputation for the slide coming off during firing and I have heard of accounts of the same from the new Jimenez. If you want a cheap 9mm fun gun buy a Hi-Point.

With all due respect Guys (and Gals) I would have to disagree with this one. In my lifetime I've owned 3 Jennings/Bryco guns and never had a problem with any of them. I love to target shoot, and all 3 of my guns consistently performed well, allowing me to shoot 3 to 4 inch groups from a distance of 20 yards. They did NOT have plastic triggers, (that "feature" by itself would be enough to turn me away from buying one) were easy to load and unload, and easy to clean and maintain. I do have to concede that the guns were not 9mm, but instead were 22 caliber, and 380 caliber (I owned 2 of the later). I can't attest to the quality of the new "Jiminez" firearms, but if the calibers mentioned above are for sale under a new name, but have the same quality I've experienced in the past; (to quote Arnold Schwartzenegger), "I'll be back!

[DarrylT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by saintjobe

I am just getting into shooting and guns. I was shooting a friends S&W .38 revolver and loved it. I went to a gun show to buy my own and was attracted to the Jimenez Arms 9mm due to the low price. You guys don't need to jump all over me and say that I should have done my research, that's obvious now. But, what recommendations would you have for getting rid of it. Many of you have me a bit worried about the thing blowing my face/hand/etc off. Just take it to a pawn shop and see what I can get for it??? Any other suggestions??? Also, all the links about them leaving CA and moving to Nevada are from 2005 I believe. Anyone know if there have been improvements to the gun in the last couple years? BTW- I did go to the range and shoot it right away. I had some problems getting the rounds to chamber. But, it did not jam once in the 100 rounds I put through it today.

Do you still have the gun, and if so, how much would you sell it for?

[TinCan Assasin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by GoodAim

I had a Hi point 9mm and have looked at the Jimenez pieces of junk. The Hi point was by far the worst gun I have ever owned. Stove Piping almost every round. As far as the Jimenez they just feel cheap!! I would put them under my car and crush them. You would have to pay me to fire one!!

I like my Hi Point 9mm. It works for me, and I'm getting more and more accurate with it.

TCA

[TinCan Assasin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by sunwheel29

It had a 2000 round or less service life expectency so no matter how many BOLD FACED LIES you guys make about your Hi Point, or Jennings, or whatever Zinker cranking out thousands of rounds, anybody who knows anything about guns knows YOU ARE LYING.

Now you listen to me you mother flocking duck billed broken pinky snob. I WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING CALLED A LIAR. I will put your weapon of choice up against my Hi Point all day. Put your money where your mouth is, jackass.

I will post my target, you post yours.

TCA

[mugley]

I bought a JA9 just this past weekend at a gun show. I've only put a few rounds through it so far but it seems a decent little gun. I admit that some of the many negative comments have me a bit concerned but will make a final quality judgement after a day at the range.

[stalebiscuit]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mugley

I bought a JA9 just this past weekend at a gun show. I've only put a few rounds through it so far but it seems a decent little gun. I admit that some of the many negative comments have me a bit concerned but will make a final quality judgement after a day at the range.

let us know, pics please to would be awesome

[kleckel11]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mooseman684

I was at a Gun Show this past weekend and a Dealer had a Special Sale on Jimenez Arms 9mm Handguns...Stainless or Blued, double stack 11 rounds, a bit larger than a Makarov for $169.00 ! US Made in Nevada and really looked nice except for a Plastic trigger I didn't like...He was sold out but had one for looking at on display that was Sold too so No joy ...Anyone have one or tried one yet ??? Rich

I have one have had it for some time now and fire it quite often at the range, I love it, it handles extremely well and is comfortable to hold, I have not had any problems with it has never jamed and it is very accurate, I carry it instead of my .45, oh yea my wife is very good with it also.