Laser grips or no?

frozentorso · 04-12-2007, 11:48 PM

I've just about decided to buy a Kimber .45 Ultra Carry. I'm debating spending the extra $200 for the model with laser grips. Any pro's and con's?

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2007, 01:00 AM

I took the Laser Off My Colt .45...You just couldn't see it in Bright daylight and at night, you need a Bright flashlight to aquire the target...So it really worked the best in medium dim light close range, and Indoors. Doesn't the New Kimbers Have a mount built in to the front for an attachable laser...they are a lot cheaper than 200 bucks. Thats a lot of ammo !
Rich
Oh,FYI... and a visible laser is highly visible back to the weapon to an enemy with Night Vision !

HEMI · 04-13-2007, 01:48 AM

Simple is better,gadgets fail when you need them the most.

billy · 04-13-2007, 06:43 AM

ive got one on my ruger sp101 and like it a lot. but its only good for home intruder type scenes. at least its perfect for my snubby!

frozentorso · 04-13-2007, 08:13 AM

I was thinking I would use it more for practice than anything else. If I had to draw on something in a hurry I suspect I would completely disregard the laser and let instincts take over. And my night vision is really good, so if someone was moving around in my house at night I wouldnt want to alert them, just spray them. Hmmmm. Nothing better than allot of good old fashioned practice. Good points!

billy · 04-13-2007, 08:25 AM

it doesnt look like a light saber.it is invisible unless its smoky or dusty. which it would be after i shot the bad guy!

quote;Oh,FYI... and a visible laser is highly visible back to the weapon to an enemy with Night Vision ;unquote how many burglars have that?

just_a_car · 04-13-2007, 11:58 AM

You're right Billy, red lasers are invisible unless bouncing off of something, but GREEN lasers are not. They can easily be seen back to the source in normal light and dark. This is how they caught a guy shooting a powerful green laser at an aircraft near Sea-Tac Int'l Airport not too long ago. The laser got one pilot and temporarily blinded him while the other saw where it was coming from and reported it.

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy

it doesnt look like a light saber.it is invisible unless its smoky or dusty. which it would be after i shot the bad guy!
quote;Oh,FYI... and a visible laser is highly visible back to the weapon to an enemy with Night Vision ;unquote how many burglars have that?

Excuse my Paranoia...I worry about More than just Burglers !( why I used the word "Enemy"!)
Rich

billy · 04-13-2007, 01:56 PM

teehee

frozentorso · 04-13-2007, 02:54 PM

I have a couple of laser pointers and you can see them clearly day or night, but not like a light saber. If someone saw it move across the wall they'd know the gig was up.

troylaplante · 04-13-2007, 04:58 PM

I have a Crimson Trace laser grip on my S&W 642 snubby. Personally, I like it. It is great for fast acquisition. If I am knocked to the ground, all I have to do is point and shoot. No aiming necessary. It works fine indoors and out, daylight and night. I had it just recently outside at night when a drunken fool decided to use my neighbor's front yard as a rest area. She called me and I visited him with a 1,000,000 candle power spotlight and my snubby. No problem seeing the target without the spotlight, the laser showed up just fine, no problems. I like the intimidation factor of the laser beam on a target. I am hardly worried about anyone seeing back to me since I doubt I will be in a smoke filled room when I use it. Most burglars around here don't have McGuyver goggles. My cats love the laser dot, too.

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2007, 10:40 PM

I was talking about a NIGHT VISION SCOPE or Monocular...Not how you see in the dark with your eyes...LOL.A Night vision device shows the beam right back to the gun...like a pointer ! Just additional INFO....
Rich

just_a_car · 04-14-2007, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

I was talking about a NIGHT VISION SCOPE or Monocular...Not how you see in the dark with your eyes...LOL.A Night vision device shows the beam right back to the gun...like a pointer ! Just additional INFO....
Rich

Yup! Most night vision goggles see into the near-infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum, which means you can also use your TV remote (or any IR remote for that matter) as a flashlight for your goggles; don't need no expensive IR lamp. ;-)

Dave Sample · 04-14-2007, 02:37 PM

Stay home at night! That is the best idea!

Zephri · 04-15-2007, 12:44 AM

night vision can't see the beam unless its foggy or really dusty. its like normal white light, you can,t see the actual beam just the place where it hits a surface.

Also most black and white cameras can see IR too, color can not.

Just had to clarify.

utahvarminter · 04-16-2007, 06:29 PM

Pros - On sight, quick acquisition.
Cons - Money, shaky dot.

HEMI · 04-16-2007, 09:40 PM

Pros-good for those who have failing eyesight,very good for certain senarios{low light]
cons-lasers and lights are bullet magnets,
gadget
why stick something dependent on batteries on something you trust your life to?
gadget
K.I.S.S.

frozentorso · 04-17-2007, 12:54 PM

I bought the Ultra Raptor II, no beam.

04-12-2007, 11:48 PM	#1
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 592	Laser grips or no? I've just about decided to buy a Kimber .45 Ultra Carry. I'm debating spending the extra $200 for the model with laser grips. Any pro's and con's? __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

04-13-2007, 01:00 AM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,702 Images: 2	I took the Laser Off My Colt .45...You just couldn't see it in Bright daylight and at night, you need a Bright flashlight to aquire the target...So it really worked the best in medium dim light close range, and Indoors. Doesn't the New Kimbers Have a mount built in to the front for an attachable laser...they are a lot cheaper than 200 bucks. Thats a lot of ammo ! Rich Oh,FYI... and a visible laser is highly visible back to the weapon to an enemy with Night Vision ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-13-2007, 08:13 AM	#5
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 592	I was thinking I would use it more for practice than anything else. If I had to draw on something in a hurry I suspect I would completely disregard the laser and let instincts take over. And my night vision is really good, so if someone was moving around in my house at night I wouldnt want to alert them, just spray them. Hmmmm. Nothing better than allot of good old fashioned practice. Good points! __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

04-13-2007, 08:25 AM	#6
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,215 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	it doesnt look like a light saber.it is invisible unless its smoky or dusty. which it would be after i shot the bad guy! quote;Oh,FYI... and a visible laser is highly visible back to the weapon to an enemy with Night Vision ;unquote how many burglars have that? Last edited by billy; 04-13-2007 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-13-2007, 11:58 AM	#7
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	You're right Billy, red lasers are invisible unless bouncing off of something, but GREEN lasers are not. They can easily be seen back to the source in normal light and dark. This is how they caught a guy shooting a powerful green laser at an aircraft near Sea-Tac Int'l Airport not too long ago. The laser got one pilot and temporarily blinded him while the other saw where it was coming from and reported it. __________________

04-13-2007, 01:48 AM	#3
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 726	Simple is better,gadgets fail when you need them the most.

04-13-2007, 06:43 AM	#4
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,215 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	ive got one on my ruger sp101 and like it a lot. but its only good for home intruder type scenes. at least its perfect for my snubby!

04-13-2007, 01:56 PM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,215 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	teehee

04-13-2007, 02:54 PM	#10
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 592	I have a couple of laser pointers and you can see them clearly day or night, but not like a light saber. If someone saw it move across the wall they'd know the gig was up. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

04-13-2007, 04:58 PM	#11
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223	I have a Crimson Trace laser grip on my S&W 642 snubby. Personally, I like it. It is great for fast acquisition. If I am knocked to the ground, all I have to do is point and shoot. No aiming necessary. It works fine indoors and out, daylight and night. I had it just recently outside at night when a drunken fool decided to use my neighbor's front yard as a rest area. She called me and I visited him with a 1,000,000 candle power spotlight and my snubby. No problem seeing the target without the spotlight, the laser showed up just fine, no problems. I like the intimidation factor of the laser beam on a target. I am hardly worried about anyone seeing back to me since I doubt I will be in a smoke filled room when I use it. Most burglars around here don't have McGuyver goggles. My cats love the laser dot, too.

04-13-2007, 10:40 PM	#12
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,702 Images: 2	I was talking about a NIGHT VISION SCOPE or Monocular...Not how you see in the dark with your eyes...LOL.A Night vision device shows the beam right back to the gun...like a pointer ! Just additional INFO.... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-14-2007, 02:37 PM	#14
Dave Sample Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 99	Stay home at night! That is the best idea!

04-15-2007, 12:44 AM	#15
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,089 Blog Entries: 6	night vision can't see the beam unless its foggy or really dusty. its like normal white light, you can,t see the actual beam just the place where it hits a surface. Also most black and white cameras can see IR too, color can not. Just had to clarify. __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

04-16-2007, 06:29 PM	#16
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	Pros - On sight, quick acquisition. Cons - Money, shaky dot. __________________ My Photo Album

04-16-2007, 09:40 PM	#17
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 726	Pros-good for those who have failing eyesight,very good for certain senarios{low light] cons-lasers and lights are bullet magnets, gadget why stick something dependent on batteries on something you trust your life to? gadget K.I.S.S.

04-17-2007, 12:54 PM	#18
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 592	I bought the Ultra Raptor II, no beam. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"