Hand Gun Advice - Page 2

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 12:12 PM

I wouldn't discount the 06 as a black bear rifle, with heavy well constructed bullets it is more than adequate for black bear. Wouldn't be my first choice for Griz though

300 wsm · 09-27-2007, 12:14 PM

well i told him he could use my .338 remington ultra mag but he doesn't think he can handle it

Idaho Dave · 09-27-2007, 12:41 PM

I don't consider an 06 to be the best choice either that would be the limit on the low side. Feel way better about one of the mag rounds that .338 would be a charmer. By the way a 500lb black bear is a freaking monster if you are on to one that size your looking at possible record book for your area. The biggest I have ever seen taken was 6ft long and weighed in the 300s of course that was spring time but still if you gotta 500+- pounder tell him to use the .338

Black bear life history summaries have variously reported weights ranging from 88 to 400 lbs. for adult females, and 132 to 617 lbs. for adult males. Lengths have been reported as 51 to 75 inches for adult males and 43 to 67 in. for adult females and shoulder heights at 31 in. for females and 40 in. for males

samuel · 09-27-2007, 12:54 PM

A .454 will use .45 Colt and for recoil sensitive people the Cowboy Action ammo is real mild.You can get it in .44 also. sam.

300 wsm · 09-27-2007, 12:58 PM

yeah this bear is a whopper it's head is huge and when it stands up it is taller than me and I am 6' 2" when it is on all 4's it's gut almost drags the ground I can't wait for him to tag it!!!

I also like the .454 idea thanks a lot

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 01:03 PM

If he is determined to take this bruin with an 06 make sure he is using a well constructed heavy bullet capable of deep penetration and reliable expansion. I hope he'll have a backup shooter with him in case the beast doesn't fall as expected.

300 wsm · 09-27-2007, 01:06 PM

he wants me to go along with him so I think I will take the .338 Rem. Ultra Mag. I just can't carry a pistol yet... only 20...

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 01:07 PM

Umm what do you mean you can't carry a pistol/revolver?? age restrictions are for purchase not use or possession.

300 wsm · 09-27-2007, 01:27 PM

I can carry a pistol?!?!?! Ok thatonly leavs one problem getting one, no one in my family has a pistol...

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 01:34 PM

I would imagine so unless your states hunting regulations say something about age for hunting with a handgun, Federal Law only pertains to age requirements for purchase not use or possession. You could lawfully possess one if received as a gift or an inheritance for example.

300 wsm · 09-27-2007, 01:35 PM

cool now to find a "gift" 500 S&W

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 01:37 PM

LOL now that might take some begging there! Still ain't convinced my Missus I is in desperate need of a CZ52! But she is accepting hints.

Triggerjerk · 09-27-2007, 04:43 PM

I had read accounts of hunters in Africa protecting their camps from lions with 12 ga shotguns and slugs. Can you take a bear down with a 12 ga. slug? Seems to me it would work.

ezearln · 09-27-2007, 04:50 PM

It is possible and has been done TJ, but I'd want to make sure they were maximum loads! Better yet I'd like a handy .375 H&H if it were Griz country LOL

Triggerjerk · 09-27-2007, 04:55 PM

Well, like I said before...I think that the bear "problem" is overstated. And if you're going hunting for them the rifle ought to do the trick.

gunney_m · 09-30-2007, 04:20 PM

ruger gp 100, 357,6 inch, stainless.

billy · 09-30-2007, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 wsm

cool now to find a "gift" 500 S&W

while your talking to the gun fairy ...tell her ive been good ok?

gunney_m · 09-30-2007, 06:03 PM

ruger redhawk 6 inch, stainless,44mag.

ruger redhawk 44mag,6inch barrel,stainless steel shouldnt cost more than the judge, espesially if its used.

billy · 09-30-2007, 08:02 PM

after retrieving a fired round from my .454 casull i am thinking you would have to break bone to stop an angry bear.
this one went through a 24 in. ponderosa stump and about 2 feet of hard packed gravel.
if it didnt hit bone it would be able to tear you to pieces and then die at its leisure.

it would be real hard to do a well placed shot in a moment of panic.

09-27-2007, 12:12 PM	#21
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	I wouldn't discount the 06 as a black bear rifle, with heavy well constructed bullets it is more than adequate for black bear. Wouldn't be my first choice for Griz though __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 12:14 PM	#22
300 wsm Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cumberland, md Posts: 77	well i told him he could use my .338 remington ultra mag but he doesn't think he can handle it __________________ "oh bother" said pooh as he chambered another round

09-27-2007, 12:41 PM	#23
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 530	I don't consider an 06 to be the best choice either that would be the limit on the low side. Feel way better about one of the mag rounds that .338 would be a charmer. By the way a 500lb black bear is a freaking monster if you are on to one that size your looking at possible record book for your area. The biggest I have ever seen taken was 6ft long and weighed in the 300s of course that was spring time but still if you gotta 500+- pounder tell him to use the .338 Black bear life history summaries have variously reported weights ranging from 88 to 400 lbs. for adult females, and 132 to 617 lbs. for adult males. Lengths have been reported as 51 to 75 inches for adult males and 43 to 67 in. for adult females and shoulder heights at 31 in. for females and 40 in. for males __________________ Living the life Last edited by Idaho Dave; 09-27-2007 at 12:45 PM.

09-27-2007, 12:58 PM	#25
300 wsm Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cumberland, md Posts: 77	yeah this bear is a whopper it's head is huge and when it stands up it is taller than me and I am 6' 2" when it is on all 4's it's gut almost drags the ground I can't wait for him to tag it!!! I also like the .454 idea thanks a lot __________________ "oh bother" said pooh as he chambered another round

09-27-2007, 01:03 PM	#26
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	If he is determined to take this bruin with an 06 make sure he is using a well constructed heavy bullet capable of deep penetration and reliable expansion. I hope he'll have a backup shooter with him in case the beast doesn't fall as expected. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 12:54 PM	#24
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	A .454 will use .45 Colt and for recoil sensitive people the Cowboy Action ammo is real mild.You can get it in .44 also. sam.

09-27-2007, 01:06 PM	#27
300 wsm Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cumberland, md Posts: 77	he wants me to go along with him so I think I will take the .338 Rem. Ultra Mag. I just can't carry a pistol yet... only 20... __________________ "oh bother" said pooh as he chambered another round

09-27-2007, 01:07 PM	#28
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Umm what do you mean you can't carry a pistol/revolver?? age restrictions are for purchase not use or possession. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 01:27 PM	#29
300 wsm Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cumberland, md Posts: 77	I can carry a pistol?!?!?! Ok thatonly leavs one problem getting one, no one in my family has a pistol... __________________ "oh bother" said pooh as he chambered another round

09-27-2007, 01:34 PM	#30
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	I would imagine so unless your states hunting regulations say something about age for hunting with a handgun, Federal Law only pertains to age requirements for purchase not use or possession. You could lawfully possess one if received as a gift or an inheritance for example. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 01:35 PM	#31
300 wsm Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: cumberland, md Posts: 77	cool now to find a "gift" 500 S&W __________________ "oh bother" said pooh as he chambered another round

09-27-2007, 01:37 PM	#32
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	LOL now that might take some begging there! Still ain't convinced my Missus I is in desperate need of a CZ52! But she is accepting hints. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 04:43 PM	#33
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	I had read accounts of hunters in Africa protecting their camps from lions with 12 ga shotguns and slugs. Can you take a bear down with a 12 ga. slug? Seems to me it would work. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

09-27-2007, 04:50 PM	#34
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	It is possible and has been done TJ, but I'd want to make sure they were maximum loads! Better yet I'd like a handy .375 H&H if it were Griz country LOL __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-27-2007, 04:55 PM	#35
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	Well, like I said before...I think that the bear "problem" is overstated. And if you're going hunting for them the rifle ought to do the trick. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

09-30-2007, 04:20 PM	#36
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	ruger gp 100, 357,6 inch, stainless.

09-30-2007, 06:03 PM	#38
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	ruger redhawk 6 inch, stainless,44mag. ruger redhawk 44mag,6inch barrel,stainless steel shouldnt cost more than the judge, espesially if its used. Last edited by gunney_m; 09-30-2007 at 07:53 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

09-30-2007, 08:02 PM	#39
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,928 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	after retrieving a fired round from my .454 casull i am thinking you would have to break bone to stop an angry bear. this one went through a 24 in. ponderosa stump and about 2 feet of hard packed gravel. if it didnt hit bone it would be able to tear you to pieces and then die at its leisure. it would be real hard to do a well placed shot in a moment of panic. __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure. Last edited by billy; 09-30-2007 at 08:04 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost