Lowlife shoots cop in face - Page 2

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BluesStringer

It looks like a pretty isolated, rural area, but what would/should an armed citizen do if they happen upon a scene like this? Would a civilian have a better chance of making sure he pays the ultimate price without devastating legal consequences, or would shooting the guy land a citizen in jail in his place?

The answer wouldn't affect my decision. I'd get involved and I'd shoot to kill. How about y'all?

Blues

If I seen it happen I would(if I was armed).

LiveToShoot · 11-27-2007, 09:09 AM

Idaho statute permits, encourages, citizenry to take needed actions in a nasty situation like this. In so doing, I'm afraid my finger would not let off the trigger until the firearm was empty.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

Idaho statute permits, encourages, citizenry to take needed actions in a nasty situation like this. In so doing, I'm afraid my finger would not let off the trigger until the firearm was empty.

Same here!!!

LiveToShoot · 11-27-2007, 09:17 AM

I live in rural America, and whenever I pass a LEO on the side of the road, when they have someone stopped, I look over to see how things are going...

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 09:36 AM

So do I, mostly curiosity but I always know somewhere there is a cop going mono e mono with a criminal.

Durandal · 11-27-2007, 10:50 AM

I would love to see in a situation like that, an armed civilian with a .308 (for distance)
or a .357 up close, and put the criminal down, without any kind of consequences, I cant help but wonder if such a civilian would be covered under the good samaratin (sp?) law.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 10:54 AM

I would like to know that myself?

LiveToShoot · 11-27-2007, 11:07 AM

Durandal, may I suggest that you look up your state's statutes on justifiable homicide, so you know what your boundaries are...so you know what you can do should a situation like this be right in front of you. When the moment of decision/action has arrived, the time for preparation is over.

samuel · 11-27-2007, 11:14 AM

This one really turns gunny on.It,s as if he has finally found a way he might shoot someone legally.Personally I hope I never get caught up in something that would require me to use deadly force,and if there were some other way I would use that method. sam.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by samuel

This one really turns gunny on.It,s as if he has finally found a way he might shoot someone legally.Personally I hope I never get caught up in something that would require me to use deadly force,and if there were some other way I would use that method. sam.

Same here sam but I know *amn well if I seen it happening I would add a little lead in his diet!!!

LiveToShoot · 11-27-2007, 11:16 AM

Ditto Samuel, so long as we're prepared and able to do what's needed...when it's needed. Deadly force isn't for the careless or light hearted...it's serious business.

While serving in the USAF I had authorization to use deadly force, as part of my duty assignments, and I'm very grateful I never had to use it.

Durandal · 11-27-2007, 11:19 AM

Just went over it. didnt know it would be so easy to find. turns out that the state of IDAHO specifically would call it a justifiable homicide.

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 40
HOMICIDE
18-4009. JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE BY ANY PERSON. Homicide is also justifiable
when committed by any person in either of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property or person, against
one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a
felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent,
riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the
purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or
husband, parent, child, master, mistress or servant of such person, when there
is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some
great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished;
but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was
the assailant or engaged in mortal combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed;
or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to
apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any
riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

LiveToShoot · 11-27-2007, 11:21 AM

Yes, it's there for if/when needed. That's good to know. I'm in Idaho too, and glad for this statute that provides us this ability to act when needed.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 11:22 AM

Here's Oklahoma's.....

Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in either of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to commit any felony upon him, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is; or,
2. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, when there is a reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or,
3. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed; or in lawfully suppressing any riot; or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

Durandal · 11-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Id have done everything I could do before If I was happening down the street and saw that, but its even better knowing I could help the law without becoming a fugitive myself.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durandal

Id have done everything I could do before If I was happening down the street and saw that, but its even better knowing I could help the law without becoming a fugitive myself.

+1

samuel · 11-27-2007, 11:42 AM

It seems gunny is really fascinated by this one.It's as if he has finally found a way he might kill another human legally.Personally I hope the circumstance never is forced on me to take a human life and if there were some other alternative I would certainly use that method. sam.

gunney_m · 11-27-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuel

It seems gunny is really fascinated by this one.It's as if he has finally found a way he might kill another human legally.Personally I hope the circumstance never is forced on me to take a human life and if there were some other alternative I would certainly use that method. sam.

Same here but, if he was killed he would deserve it.

RockB · 11-27-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durandal

I would love to see in a situation like that, an armed civilian with a .308 (for distance)
or a .357 up close, and put the criminal down, without any kind of consequences, I cant help but wonder if such a civilian would be covered under the good samaratin (sp?) law.

I read somewhere, here I think, about a hunter that did just that. Dirt bag was about to kill a LEO and the hunter picked him off from about 100 yards. Texas Rangers made the hunter a member of the Texas Rangers so that if the DBs family were to go after him they would be attacking a LEO and the crime would have a greater penalty.

ArkansasHunter · 11-27-2007, 12:49 PM

Honest...I'm surprised the guy didn't get killed by the cops that found and arrested him.
I would bet when they got threw with him he felt like he was dead.
You don't shoot cops !!! There will be more LEO's come to a call of an officer down or shot than you can imagine.

11-27-2007, 09:09 AM	#22
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Idaho statute permits, encourages, citizenry to take needed actions in a nasty situation like this. In so doing, I'm afraid my finger would not let off the trigger until the firearm was empty. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

11-27-2007, 09:17 AM	#24
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	I live in rural America, and whenever I pass a LEO on the side of the road, when they have someone stopped, I look over to see how things are going... __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 11-27-2007 at 09:20 AM.

11-27-2007, 11:07 AM	#28
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Durandal, may I suggest that you look up your state's statutes on justifiable homicide, so you know what your boundaries are...so you know what you can do should a situation like this be right in front of you. When the moment of decision/action has arrived, the time for preparation is over. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 11-27-2007 at 11:12 AM.

11-27-2007, 11:16 AM	#31
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Ditto Samuel, so long as we're prepared and able to do what's needed...when it's needed. Deadly force isn't for the careless or light hearted...it's serious business. While serving in the USAF I had authorization to use deadly force, as part of my duty assignments, and I'm very grateful I never had to use it. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 11-27-2007 at 12:32 PM.

11-27-2007, 11:21 AM	#33
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Yes, it's there for if/when needed. That's good to know. I'm in Idaho too, and glad for this statute that provides us this ability to act when needed. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

11-27-2007, 09:36 AM	#25
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	So do I, mostly curiosity but I always know somewhere there is a cop going mono e mono with a criminal.

11-27-2007, 10:50 AM	#26
Durandal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 42	I would love to see in a situation like that, an armed civilian with a .308 (for distance) or a .357 up close, and put the criminal down, without any kind of consequences, I cant help but wonder if such a civilian would be covered under the good samaratin (sp?) law.

11-27-2007, 10:54 AM	#27
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	I would like to know that myself?

11-27-2007, 11:14 AM	#29
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	This one really turns gunny on.It,s as if he has finally found a way he might shoot someone legally.Personally I hope I never get caught up in something that would require me to use deadly force,and if there were some other way I would use that method. sam.

11-27-2007, 11:19 AM	#32
Durandal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 42	Just went over it. didnt know it would be so easy to find. turns out that the state of IDAHO specifically would call it a justifiable homicide. TITLE 18 CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS CHAPTER 40 HOMICIDE 18-4009. JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE BY ANY PERSON. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in either of the following cases: 1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or, 2. When committed in defense of habitation, property or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or, 3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mortal combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or, 4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

11-27-2007, 11:22 AM	#34
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	Here's Oklahoma's..... Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in either of the following cases: 1. When resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to commit any felony upon him, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is; or, 2. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, when there is a reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or, 3. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed; or in lawfully suppressing any riot; or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

11-27-2007, 11:26 AM	#35
Durandal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 42	Id have done everything I could do before If I was happening down the street and saw that, but its even better knowing I could help the law without becoming a fugitive myself.

11-27-2007, 11:42 AM	#37
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	It seems gunny is really fascinated by this one.It's as if he has finally found a way he might kill another human legally.Personally I hope the circumstance never is forced on me to take a human life and if there were some other alternative I would certainly use that method. sam.

11-27-2007, 12:49 PM	#40
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,677	Honest...I'm surprised the guy didn't get killed by the cops that found and arrested him. I would bet when they got threw with him he felt like he was dead. You don't shoot cops !!! There will be more LEO's come to a call of an officer down or shot than you can imagine.