*noob, looking for insite on gun-ownership in iraq

almighty · 03-04-2008, 03:19 AM

Im going to be leaving for iraq in the next few months and was wondering what the laws for a firearm are for a non-citizen are, and what kind of red tape i have to cut thru to get the gun safely to its destination and back. Im going to be working for a tech company but would like to have the added security during service calls and all the time

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 03:30 AM

I think your best bet would be to ask the U.S. State Department.

almighty · 03-04-2008, 03:34 AM

i plan to contact both the us embassy and the states department, but i was wondering if anyone had any info prior to making all of these phone calls, this way if i have to get any paper work i can speed up my process.

also any other advice for the iraq shipout would be appreciated, if you have friends family or have done so yourself.

Todd

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 03:43 AM

Good idea.

Sorry I can't be of more help and be safe over there. You'll be a prime target for insurgents.

Also, welcome to the forums, I'm sure if you take a look around you'll find quite a bit of good info and even better people.

Feel free to ask questions (even if you think they're dumb)... we're all about friendly advice here.

almighty · 03-04-2008, 03:57 AM

well any advice on a nice personal defense pistol would be great, something that does not require a large amout of maintence and is reliable yet still affordable, im not quite sure what my avalibility of tools/maintence equipment will be but this will be a Just Incase weapon. like i said, im not going over for military reasons, i will let them waste their ammo first.

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 04:14 AM

I am certainly biased, due to owning one, but I would highly recommend any of the GLOCK line of pistols. I personally own a G27 "baby GLOCK" in .40S&W caliber: my thread on that (New addition to my collection).

Due to the fact you're going to be dealing with a sandy environment, you may want to take a look at this: Glock 21 Torture Test - Theprepared.com

If you do decide on a GLOCK, go to your local range and try out some of the different models and calibers to see what fits you best. That's also good advice for choosing any self-defense pistol, regardless of brand.

I carry my G27 in a Blackhawk SERPA CQC carbon-fiber finish holster (also comes in matte) and am able to CC and OC very easily with it. The carbon fiber finish is actually a thick 2-3mm sticker that looks very much like (if not actually is) carbon fiber. So, you pay anywhere from $5-10 more for a sticker, but I like it so I got it.

Also, due to it's long track record, the 1911 is a great choice and will "knock 'em down" as good as any.

almighty · 03-04-2008, 04:25 AM

thats actually the gun i was looking to get (glock 27) due to the small size and good rep, i dont want to advertise that i have a weapon. most of the previous pistols i have shot have been cannons (s&w 44mag) collectors (9mm aircooled semi-auto) or target pistols (.22's .25's) so between the range of pistols i have fired im sure i can handle a nice .40 glock, now i have to find a range that lets me rent. Im going to check gunbroker and see if i can find a similar deal like what you have gotten.

Windwalker · 03-04-2008, 04:40 AM

Welcome to G&G. Be careful over there. Sorry I can't answer your questions but someone here can probably give you some up to date info. Enjoy the site.

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 05:04 AM

Well, almighty, that link that I posted to the GLOCK 21 Torture Test will probably only steel your resolve towards the GLOCK line of pistols. I mean, many, many thousands of rounds without cleaning or oiling and it still functions. Put in sand, soil and baby powder... still functions. Corroded twice in salt... still functions. A rock stuck in the transfer bar... still functions. Shot with a .22lr... still functions. Dragged behind a truck on asphalt... still functions. Dropped from a plane!!!... still functions.

If ever you were unsure of the quality and durability (not to mention there-when-you-need-it capability) of the "tupperware", that test should put any uneasiness to rest.

Now, it didn't function flawlessly throughout the tests, but many of the issues were easily attributed to the magazine and were quickly fixed by the owner right then and there, sometimes with just a shaking out of the test medium.

------
Oh, and as for ammo, I highly recommend the Winchester Ranger SXT® line. They come in 155gr, 165gr, and 180gr for .40S&W, but can be had in other calibers as well. I personally carry my G27 with 165gr.

Cyrano · 03-04-2008, 06:59 AM

Completely unrelated to the pistol issue: Get yourself a MSR Minworks water filter. It's about the size of a can and a half of Coke, weighs less than a pound and might save your ass by insuring you have safe, potable water. I gave one to a friend of mine who was a corpsman with the Marines and he said there were a couple of times when they were on patrol when they were glad he had it with him.

Just remember, keep your eyes open, your mouth shut and never volunteer. You'll live longer that way. Good luck!

.22guy · 03-04-2008, 03:03 PM

Just go ask Habeeb or Mohammed on a street corner and he'll sell you a full auto AK for 20 bucks or so. Just messing with you.

Be safe while you're there and welcome to gunandgame!

almighty · 03-04-2008, 03:12 PM

i do actually plan to bring a bunch of toys back, if i can, but my thing is to be as invisible as i can possibly be, i plan on buying there cloths, and maybe even a turban, and i might as well leave my shaver at home, should make for some interesting pictures. il prolly have to learn to tie a damn turban also lol.

ArkansasHunter · 03-04-2008, 03:41 PM

just a car if you don't make it as a Chemical Engineer you would prolly do very well as a Glock salesman ! LOL You know I love Glocks too!!!...A.H

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

just a car if you don't make it as a Chemical Engineer you would prolly do very well as a Glock salesman ! LOL You know I love Glocks too!!!...A.H

Actually, it's just Chemist... Chemical Engineers are a different degree and a different department (they're in the Engineering department while I'm in the Chemistry department)... but thanks!

I only promote them because I love them and trust my life to one every day.

Chris · 03-04-2008, 11:52 PM

If you are not military, you are going to perform a job over there...as all tourism has been cut off from going to Iraq.

You are not allowed to have a firearm if you are not military over there.

Talk of illegal activity is not welcome on this site.

sell33 · 03-05-2008, 12:36 AM

So noone is even allowed to have any gun in iraq if not military? Seems to me i would want to have one if i had to work there too since it seems to be such a hostile environment....guess i can see the reasoning to not allow them too though....

Chris · 03-05-2008, 12:56 AM

Correct, I know several people over there that are working everyday making deliveries and several of their coworkers dying...they can not carry a firearm.

GlockMeister · 03-05-2008, 01:22 AM

Just another sad thing that's wrong over there. If they want Americans over there to help with certain things, and like here, can't protect them, they should have the right to at least have something to protect themselves. Especially over there where just being from here and or an American can get your head cut off.

But if you don't or won't feel safe unless you have a firearm with you, my suggestion would to be to just not go, if possible, rather then risk getting yourself into trouble.

Another one of those things where I can see both sides. Bummer dude.

almighty · 03-05-2008, 10:51 AM

well im not sure where illegal activity became an issue in this conversation? I will be contacting the states department shortly and determine what needs to be done, if anything and i will reply back here with the answer. honestly im not too afraid of going over there, its a very safe area and i will avoid all the "hot zones" plus i plan to blend in as much as a 6ft 230 lb white male can over there, no more razor, and wear "local" clothing

jaeger · 03-05-2008, 10:56 AM

When I was over there and the contractors started coming in they were given a 2 hour brief on personal safety. Firearms are a big no-no for civi's over there. Most of your service calls will be escorted by military. I took several Boeing contractors around in Fallujah to fix radio towers.

03-04-2008, 03:19 AM	#1
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	*noob, looking for insite on gun-ownership in iraq Im going to be leaving for iraq in the next few months and was wondering what the laws for a firearm are for a non-citizen are, and what kind of red tape i have to cut thru to get the gun safely to its destination and back. Im going to be working for a tech company but would like to have the added security during service calls and all the time

03-04-2008, 03:30 AM	#2
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	I think your best bet would be to ask the U.S. State Department. __________________

03-04-2008, 03:43 AM	#4
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	Good idea. Sorry I can't be of more help and be safe over there. You'll be a prime target for insurgents. Also, welcome to the forums, I'm sure if you take a look around you'll find quite a bit of good info and even better people. Feel free to ask questions (even if you think they're dumb)... we're all about friendly advice here. __________________

03-04-2008, 04:14 AM	#6
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	I am certainly biased, due to owning one, but I would highly recommend any of the GLOCK line of pistols. I personally own a G27 "baby GLOCK" in .40S&W caliber: my thread on that (New addition to my collection). Due to the fact you're going to be dealing with a sandy environment, you may want to take a look at this: Glock 21 Torture Test - Theprepared.com If you do decide on a GLOCK, go to your local range and try out some of the different models and calibers to see what fits you best. That's also good advice for choosing any self-defense pistol, regardless of brand. I carry my G27 in a Blackhawk SERPA CQC carbon-fiber finish holster (also comes in matte) and am able to CC and OC very easily with it. The carbon fiber finish is actually a thick 2-3mm sticker that looks very much like (if not actually is) carbon fiber. So, you pay anywhere from $5-10 more for a sticker, but I like it so I got it. Also, due to it's long track record, the 1911 is a great choice and will "knock 'em down" as good as any. __________________

03-04-2008, 04:40 AM	#8
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,596	Welcome to G&G. Be careful over there. Sorry I can't answer your questions but someone here can probably give you some up to date info. Enjoy the site. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

03-04-2008, 03:34 AM	#3
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	i plan to contact both the us embassy and the states department, but i was wondering if anyone had any info prior to making all of these phone calls, this way if i have to get any paper work i can speed up my process. also any other advice for the iraq shipout would be appreciated, if you have friends family or have done so yourself. Todd

03-04-2008, 03:57 AM	#5
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	well any advice on a nice personal defense pistol would be great, something that does not require a large amout of maintence and is reliable yet still affordable, im not quite sure what my avalibility of tools/maintence equipment will be but this will be a Just Incase weapon. like i said, im not going over for military reasons, i will let them waste their ammo first.

03-04-2008, 04:25 AM	#7
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	thats actually the gun i was looking to get (glock 27) due to the small size and good rep, i dont want to advertise that i have a weapon. most of the previous pistols i have shot have been cannons (s&w 44mag) collectors (9mm aircooled semi-auto) or target pistols (.22's .25's) so between the range of pistols i have fired im sure i can handle a nice .40 glock, now i have to find a range that lets me rent. Im going to check gunbroker and see if i can find a similar deal like what you have gotten.

03-04-2008, 05:04 AM	#9
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	Well, almighty, that link that I posted to the GLOCK 21 Torture Test will probably only steel your resolve towards the GLOCK line of pistols. I mean, many, many thousands of rounds without cleaning or oiling and it still functions. Put in sand, soil and baby powder... still functions. Corroded *twice* in salt... still functions. A rock stuck in the transfer bar... still functions. Shot with a .22lr... still functions. Dragged behind a truck on asphalt... still functions. Dropped from a plane!!!... still functions. If ever you were unsure of the quality and durability (not to mention there-when-you-need-it capability) of the "tupperware", that test should put any uneasiness to rest. Now, it didn't function flawlessly throughout the tests, but many of the issues were easily attributed to the magazine and were quickly fixed by the owner right then and there, sometimes with just a shaking out of the test medium. ------ Oh, and as for ammo, I highly recommend the Winchester Ranger SXT® line. They come in 155gr, 165gr, and 180gr for .40S&W, but can be had in other calibers as well. I personally carry my G27 with 165gr. __________________ Last edited by just_a_car; 03-04-2008 at 05:07 AM.

03-04-2008, 06:59 AM	#10
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,362	Completely unrelated to the pistol issue: Get yourself a MSR Minworks water filter. It's about the size of a can and a half of Coke, weighs less than a pound and might save your ass by insuring you have safe, potable water. I gave one to a friend of mine who was a corpsman with the Marines and he said there were a couple of times when they were on patrol when they were glad he had it with him. Just remember, keep your eyes open, your mouth shut and never volunteer. You'll live longer that way. Good luck!

03-04-2008, 03:03 PM	#11
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,163	Just go ask Habeeb or Mohammed on a street corner and he'll sell you a full auto AK for 20 bucks or so. Just messing with you. Be safe while you're there and welcome to gunandgame! __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

03-04-2008, 03:12 PM	#12
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	i do actually plan to bring a bunch of toys back, if i can, but my thing is to be as invisible as i can possibly be, i plan on buying there cloths, and maybe even a turban, and i might as well leave my shaver at home, should make for some interesting pictures. il prolly have to learn to tie a damn turban also lol. Last edited by Chris; 03-04-2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason: n

03-04-2008, 03:41 PM	#13
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,722	just a car if you don't make it as a Chemical Engineer you would prolly do very well as a Glock salesman ! LOL You know I love Glocks too!!!...A.H

03-04-2008, 11:52 PM	#15
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,170 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 18	If you are not military, you are going to perform a job over there...as all tourism has been cut off from going to Iraq. You are not allowed to have a firearm if you are not military over there. Talk of illegal activity is not welcome on this site. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles! Last edited by Chris; 03-04-2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-05-2008, 12:36 AM	#16
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	So noone is even allowed to have any gun in iraq if not military? Seems to me i would want to have one if i had to work there too since it seems to be such a hostile environment....guess i can see the reasoning to not allow them too though....

03-05-2008, 12:56 AM	#17
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,170 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 18	Correct, I know several people over there that are working everyday making deliveries and several of their coworkers dying...they can not carry a firearm. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles!

03-05-2008, 01:22 AM	#18
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,513	Just another sad thing that's wrong over there. If they want Americans over there to help with certain things, and like here, can't protect them, they should have the right to at least have something to protect themselves. Especially over there where just being from here and or an American can get your head cut off. But if you don't or won't feel safe unless you have a firearm with you, my suggestion would to be to just not go, if possible, rather then risk getting yourself into trouble. Another one of those things where I can see both sides. Bummer dude. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-05-2008, 10:51 AM	#19
almighty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	well im not sure where illegal activity became an issue in this conversation? I will be contacting the states department shortly and determine what needs to be done, if anything and i will reply back here with the answer. honestly im not too afraid of going over there, its a very safe area and i will avoid all the "hot zones" plus i plan to blend in as much as a 6ft 230 lb white male can over there, no more razor, and wear "local" clothing

03-05-2008, 10:56 AM	#20
jaeger Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 305 Images: 3	When I was over there and the contractors started coming in they were given a 2 hour brief on personal safety. Firearms are a big no-no for civi's over there. Most of your service calls will be escorted by military. I took several Boeing contractors around in Fallujah to fix radio towers.