Ever Open-Carried your handgun?

[samuel]

I had never posted anything about Twister on here,only agreed with others that teens in general today should not be allowed to run around unsupervised with handguns.I know there are exceptions as there are to any rule.But for the first time I will write directly about Twister.By not being able to distinguish between Texas T speaking of teens in general and not himself personally,I believe he shows a lack of ability to judge correctly and make proper decisions,and act responsibly.And I thought JJ presented good reasons as to why he shouldnt or couldnt carry. The only part that I directed at him personally was about the military,and if anyone thinks they just hand a firearm and ammo to you and turn you loose you are sadly mistaken.I still believe Texas T and Jersey Jailer are perfectly right in their analisis,and am proud of both of them for speaking out on their belief,s even tho they knew others might try to downrate them.When it comes to teens,it is kind of like reverse majority rule.Law makers cant say one or two of you can carry firearms unsupervised,but the rest are not showing responsibility,so we ban you.One or two will have to suffer because of the majority,s actions. sam.

[twisterx44]

Originally Posted by samuel

But for the first time I will write directly about Twister.By not being able to distinguish between Texas T speaking of teens in general and not himself personally,I believe he shows a lack of ability to judge correctly and make proper decisions,and act responsibly.

Predictable. I won't sink to your level and try to put you down by analyzing internet postings. Your better at it anyway. Thats all I got.

[stikbutter]

I think alot of how OC is interpeted depends on where it is being done. My sister lived in Arizona for 10 years and I went to visit and it was normal everyday thing to see people walking around packing a large revolver of some type. Kept seeing alot of people riding motor bikes with guns on their sides. In Tn you can oped carry but nobody does the cops get alittle nervous. Cant do it in Fl. I dont think OC in a big city is a good place for it. But in small rural farm towns where it is the norm. it is looked at different.
I can say I bought a some land that had to be cleared and bush hogged and I was OC now it was my property and I did for snake purpose sob's were everywhere I started with a 410/45LC H&R survivor rifle. Put it in a Snake Charmer Scrabbered and wore it on my back, that sucked trying to work. Went to a Taurus Judge and it still sucks while your trying to work in 100 degrees of heat. And darn thing doesnt want to chamber 410. Well thats another thread. As far as teenagers most cant be trusted but again in alot of rural farm towns its away of life and if treir taught and raised that way and their supervised its onething. City boy that never shot a gun before thats another.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by twisterx44

TexasT, Sam, and Jersey:

I get it. Your against irresponsible immature teens touching guns because we're not experienced enough to trust. You've all said it multiple times, are you just trying to rub it in? I can't PROVE I'm not the stereotypical teen. Some on here have luckily picked up on that, for which I am very grateful. To the other discouraging members, so be it. Your opinion is yours. I've heard it, 3 times from each of you. I read what you wrote. I responded. And most of you merely reiterated your strong views yet again, and again. I think I got my answer, so there is no need for anyone to continue posting in this thread. It turned from helpful and informative to just plain rude. Too many times have I seen just you three being overly agressive on other forums as well. I think all three of you are far more knowledgeable and experienced than myself, I won't dispute that on any level. However, I am disappointed whenever I see a knowledgeable person discouraging and being condecending to someone not as "worthy" as themselves. Just think about it. And now your likely going to respond hostily telling me if I don't like the answer don't ask the question. Alright, do what you need to do.

Billy: Yeah you gave me a compliment, and then proceeded to strip it away by telling me you would never trust any teen with a gun. I can legally go buy any long-gun out there and go shoot on my own...I'm sorry if you don't trust me with the guys I can buy, but so long as the American Government does, I'll be out there shooting every saturday with my buddies.

I'm done here. Thanks to everyone who even if they DISAGREED with open carry, knew how to word it politely, without passing judgement on my personal character.

I don't know if you realize this, but you made a thread saying you're 18 and excited to open carry in Montana. You did not say why you needed to until after 2 full pages of posts, then you said something to the effect of "I don't know where you guys are getting this info I need to protect myself from bears." That's fine that you need to protect yourself from bears. I don't think anyone would have given you flack if you made a thread saying "I'm moving to a rural area with lots of bears and snakes and I'm glad they allow OC at 18 because I want to protect myself and my property." Nothing about why you would need to is in the original post. Do you see how those two things are different? I voiced on several ocassions that I don't know if you are mature a lot and I was not trying to direct anything at you personally. I'm sorry if you feel personally attacked, but that is not my intention and I don't know how else to express that to you.

Again, my view on young adults is probably quite cynical, but you didn't say what you think you said.

[TexasT]

I think it's a very good discussion nonetheless.

[twisterx44]

Thank you for clearing that up TexasT. However you keep saying

"I'm moving to a rural area with lots of bears and snakes and I'm glad they allow OC at 18 because I want to protect myself and my property."

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say I am MOVING anywhere. I said I was going to montana for 2 weeks. I also said I wouldnt OC in my hometown of Portland, OR, only when i went to Montana for a little over a week.

But I'm going to montana soon for about 2 weeks, and their laws are much more lax.

I never planned to OC in portland. I planned to do it in a few small towns in Montana.

I wouldn't ever OC in a large city like portland, detroit, new jersey, etc. Again, its for small towns in MT like Bigfork and Kalisbell. I went last year and there were plenty of OC'ers hiking, shopping, and walking around. No one batted an eye.

I think a lot of what I've said has been taken the wrong way. And I think by some, it was taken that way because they WANTED to read it like that. But that's their right.

I think it's a very good discussion nonetheless.

Agreed. I would just prefer everyone maintain some basic courtesy. Just because I'm young and interested in something you personally disagree with doesn't mean I dont' deserve a little respect. TexasT, I re-read your posts and realized mine was more directed at others than yourself and apologize for grouping you with them. Your opinion is valued and I take it into account, regardless if you think I'm too immature to proccess or understand the concept of deadly force.

[billy]

Billy: Yeah you gave me a compliment, and then proceeded to strip it away by telling me you would never trust any teen with a gun. I can legally go buy any long-gun out there and go shoot on my own...I'm sorry if you don't trust me with the guys I can buy, but so long as the American Government does, I'll be out there shooting every saturday with my buddies.
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I dont care what you do.
you dont live anywhere near me .
and i stand by all my previous statements.





i do not know one single teenager (this includes nieces and nephews) that i would trust for an hour alone with a gun.

THAT INCLUDES ME WHEN I WAS A TEEN

[twisterx44]

Thank you billy.

[samuel]

When I was 18 and the Marine Corps issued me a firearm I wonder what they would have said if I had taken it to the local shopping center and displayed the piece and myself? sam.

[Rambo]

Personally, I don't open carry. Likewise, I don't wear a black belt(martial art type) in public, boxing gloves, MMA gloves, etc. My training is best kept under wraps until it is needed. No sense giving away any of my secrets.

[TexasT]

Twister, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post, but I don't think I disrespected you. I don't think I said you're too immature to understand deadly force. I think a lot of people can understand deadly force, but to truly appreciate it I think you have to experience it. That goes for anyone of any age.

[KGunner]

I don't really want to take sides here, but judging the maturity or responsibility of anybody based on the actions of a group is unfair. I have seen many arguments used in this thread that is exactly what anti-gunners say about all of us. We as a largely persecuted group should understand how it feels to be lumped in. If Twister wants to open carry, and it is legal, we must give him the benefit of the doubt that he can handle it before passing any judgment. I understand we are talking about firearms here, and one mistake can cost lives, but still, in this country at least for the most part, you are innocent until proven guilty, and punishing a group, or even an individual for the acts of a few is unfair. I know when I was 18 I could have handled it, I was in school, already living on my own, full time job blah blah, a very responsible individual. So instead of chastising him for wanting to exercise a very important right, we should support him until he gives us evidence otherwise. This is a right we as gunowners have, and if practical, should use, because if not, we will most definitely lose it, and then it will be one more brick put in on the path to complete control by the government. Twister, it is your decision, I support you but that doesn't matter.

[AKHunter]

Well said KGunner.

[twisterx44]

Thank you very much. Truly appreciated.

[samuel]

If we are going to allow children to have the means to take innocent lives,we must also allow capitol punishment for children.This line of thought doesn't say much for adult judgement.Better to supervise children so they don't have the means to set up a scenario where adults would have to pass harsh punishment. sam.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by samuel

If we are going to allow children to have the means to take innocent lives,we must also allow capitol punishment for children.This line of thought doesn't say much for adult judgement.Better to supervise children so they don't have the means to set up a scenario where adults would have to pass harsh punishment. sam.

Very interesting perspective. It makes sense.

[rdale501]

Twister, I wasn't going to get involved in this. But it looks like you've got your nose out of shape a little. It's pretty hard to judge someone on a computer screen. Real life is what counts. I volunteer as a range master, at our local range. I get to work with the youth on a fairly regular basis. Very few problems. Most are willing to listen and learn quickly. Un-experienced adults actually make me more uneasy. I can usually tell in the first 15 min. how responsible an individual is, teen or adult. If you ever get to Eugene, contact me, I would be glad to take you out to our range for some shooting. Remember, you won't be a teen forever, and you just may wind up sounding just like some of those who are insulting you. Texas T, Samuel, Jersey, Billy....these are all people I listen closly to when they post. I respect what each one says, they don't just post to grab some interest. They are good people, I know, even though I have never met them. All try to be very helpful, and if you believe it or not, that is all they are really trying to do for you. You can't help being a teen, any more than you can help the bad rap they get just because of the poor decisions of a few. It is what it is and you will grow beyond it. Just keep on being yourself and do what you KNOW to be right.

[twisterx44]

rdale501:

Makes sense. Sound advice. By the way, I'm going to U of O for college...so I'll most definetly be in eugene. And I'll be in a house with two friends, which means I'll have my guns. Looks like we just may meet up.

[KGunner]

Originally Posted by samuel

If we are going to allow children to have the means to take innocent lives,we must also allow capitol punishment for children.This line of thought doesn't say much for adult judgement.Better to supervise children so they don't have the means to set up a scenario where adults would have to pass harsh punishment. sam.

Twister is an adult. This thread is about him, and his right to carry. And wasn't it stated previously that only children in their parent's view were allowed to carry? If so, then it is the parent's responsibility to make sure their child is okay to carry, not the states, as a result punish the parent.

[Jersey Jailer]

Twister,

I don't think I'm being prejudice towards you. I don't believe I ever said that you were too immature or anything else except that you seemed a bit exuberant to be able to open carry in montana. I'm giving you advice as I perceaved what you wrote. Had you phased your original post differently, I may have not even responded. TexasT, I think got the same message I did, from your post.

Like I said in my second post, if you're out in the field go for it. If you're in town, lock it up. Here's some more for you to think about.. Say you are in the diner eating a meal. You get the urge to take a dump. what are you going to do with a gun strapped to your side? Give it to whoevere you're with? Put it on the back of the toilet, Too mant people have been shot accidentaly from that scenario. Hang it on a cloths hook in the stall. or hang your pistol belt on the hook.. that's provided there is a hook. Let it drop to the floor with your pants? The hook isn't such a good idea, I know a guy who put a pistol (Duty Revolver) on a hook, when the call to nature was done, he was pulling his pants up and adjusting his Sam Brown, when he lost his balance, he grabbed for the hook to get his balance back. Instead of the hook, he grabbed the barrel of the pistol. Big surprise, he U.D.'d , took off the tip of his little finger and blew a round by the guy in the next stall. You can imagine what could happen with your pants down to your ankles and a holstered pistol on the floor. A gun is only trouble waiting to happen.

I have been shooting since I was 14, I'll be 55 in a few months. The only 2 U.D.s that I ever had was when My Gold Cup's sear took a crap and went full auto, and the first time I shot my M!, it doubled, both were mechanical failures. I was RangeMaster for my Dept. for 17 years, without a UD on the range or any On Duty UD.s either.

$h!t Happens, Murphy prevails, etc... If you have no need for the gun, lock it up. I'm not telling you this because I think you can't handle it, I'm trying to keep you out of trouble.