40 cal VS 45 VS 9mm??? - Page 2

12-23-2002, 11:45 PM

invading force (Red Dawn scenario) I go with the 9mm

:target:

grizzly · 12-24-2002, 10:27 PM

OK her goes...Don't get overloaded...If shot placement is withing yo capability got .45...If you need to rely on quanity instead of wuality the by all means go 9mm.......Surely that will raise the hackles on all the not shooters(those who think gun control is anything other than being able to hit your target...

Love You Guys(and Gals)

Grizzly

grizzly · 12-24-2002, 10:30 PM

Man if only I could spell????I truly am starting to hate alcohol....

RC4 · 03-09-2005, 04:00 PM

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I figured I would get my opinion in here. For true self-defense, you can't really beat the knock down power of the .45. In a self-defense situation, you will rarely be shooting at something farther than 10 yards away, so that takes the accuracy of the 9mm out of the equation. All you want to do is stop the attacker. Any of the weapons will do fine in most situations, but when it comes to true knock down power, the bigger round is better. For the best of both worlds (knock down power and accuracy), I recommend a 10mm with a full power JHP round.

One shot, one kill
Aim center mass
USMC

03-09-2005, 04:06 PM

I have a 9mm, .40 S&W and in the very near future a .45ACP :target: I'm comfortable with any one..my 9mm is loaded with 124 grain +P Hydra Shoks and there are 16 of them..my .40 is loaded with 135 grain Hydra Shoks...13 of those

.45ACP is on layaway ($165 away from coming home to Daddy)

tommy · 03-09-2005, 04:07 PM

man Grizzly you startin to sound like me when i'm straight.well i ain't never straight. but you know what i mean .

03-09-2005, 04:13 PM

coming out of the closet Tommy ?

gunssb · 03-09-2005, 04:13 PM

I don't buy the argument that a .45acp is not accurate. I can shoot much better at 25 yd with my springfield 1911 than a 9mm beretta that I've tried - well I do have a better trigger & sights than a stock SA GI but most people will tell you that a 45 is inherently accurate. I do need to get a 9mm though - sometimes I can't find the time to reload, don't have a lot of money and 9mm ammo is $5 a box.

Apollyon67 · 03-09-2005, 08:47 PM

Well with the .40 you get the middle of the road. I like it over the other two due to the lighter recoil (than the .45) with the heavier bullet weight (of the 9mm). Not to mention with the LEAs all going to them, the bullet selection is getting better and the price of the ammo is dropping.

tommy · 03-09-2005, 10:08 PM

good one

you got me on that one

Troy · 03-09-2005, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansdad

coming out of the closet Tommy ?

Good burn LD. Ouch.

Thrawn · 03-09-2005, 10:34 PM

:flame:

tommy · 03-09-2005, 10:42 PM

i got a bushel of crabs with your name on it L.D

Gyrene · 03-10-2005, 12:26 AM

tommy - I sure hope those crabs are the kind I think they are! Man, a bushel of the other kind, is a defensive weapon in its own right!!!!

Back on the .45 vs the .40 vs the 9mm. I said before that I would prefer the 10mm, and it is really a .40 Cal, only the case is about 1/8" longer. You use the same loading dies (the .40 Cal is just seated 1/8" lower), can use the same bullets, and for that matter the same powder charge.

As far as the cost to shoot a 10mm, in my experience, it is the same as for the .40 Cal, because for most of my 10mm shooting, I have used the .40 Cal cartridges. In all of my 10mm's (S&W 1006, Colt Delta Elite, and S&W 610) the .40 Cals perform about the same as in my .40 Cal handguns.

As far as recoil, the 92F(M9) 9mm seems to me to recoil at least as much (it really torques my wrist), or more than any of my .45 ACP's, which are about the same as my 10mm's. My .40 Cal's seem to recoil a little more than my .45 ACP's, and a little less than the 92F (M9) 9mm. I know a lot of people believe that the 92F(M9) was chosen because of the recoil, but it was selected to have a NATO Standard for all NATO members and for no other reason, performance was not a primary consideration.

In case you may think that recoil is a real bother to me, I do enjoy shooting my .500 S&W, .44 Magnums, .454 Casul, etc. I have several 9mm handguns, for collector purposes only. My favorites as I had stated before are the 10mm (full power), and the .41 Magnum.

Somebody mentioned the .44 Special (fired in a .44 Magnum of course), that is, right after the S&W 610 10mm and .41 Magnum, one of my favorites. Keep in mind that the .44 Magnum (same as the .44 Special), is not .44 Cal, it is .429, (only .019 larger than the .41 Magnum). These are "Wheel guns" as you may have noticed, and "Wheel guns" really are preferred for Defensive Weapons, because "Wheel guns" seldom fail. Using Speedloaders, you can reload your 'Wheel gun" as fast as you can reload a semi-auto with magazines!

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BattleRifleG3 · 03-10-2005, 12:32 AM

I don't see how firing 40 in a 10mm would be reliable and safe. With revolver rounds you have headspacing on the rim, but rimless auto rounds have no such feature. Shouldered rounds have their shoulder and tapered rounds have their taper, but the straight walls of the 10mm and 40 S&W mean it could go too far in and have some funky if not dangerous malfunctions.

Gyrene · 03-10-2005, 01:04 AM

BRG3 - If it isn't held tight to the bolt face, by the extractor, it won't fire, and I have never had that happen in the Semi-Autos. I have fired in excess of 8,000 to 10,000 .40 Cal rounds in my Semi-Auto 10mm's and that has never been an issue. The only thing that is an issue, is that you must make sure you clean the chamber well before you try to fire 10mm's the next time (just like after you have been firing .22 LR in a .22 Magnum, .38 Specials in a .357 Magnum, or .44 Specials in a .44 Magnum).

At least 10 other people I know also shoot .40 Cal in their 10mm Glocks, Colts, and S&W's, and they have never complained about them not firing. Some of these require a softer recoil spring to cycle, but nothing else.

ducktapehero · 03-10-2005, 06:50 AM

40 cal VS 45 VS 9mm???

357 MAGNUM!!!!!!!!!

03-10-2005, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy

good one

you got me on that one

couldn't pass the opportunity up :right:

tommy · 03-10-2005, 12:06 PM

yea buddy . man it would be hard to keep them little suckers in a bushel.

grndesert · 03-10-2005, 06:38 PM

He ain't got nothing on KING KONG!

12-23-2002, 11:45 PM	#21
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	If I have to recover captured ammo from some invading force (Red Dawn scenario) I go with the 9mm :target:

12-24-2002, 10:27 PM	#22
grizzly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: PDR of IL Posts: 653 Trader Rating: (0)	OK her goes...Don't get overloaded...If shot placement is withing yo capability got .45...If you need to rely on quanity instead of wuality the by all means go 9mm.......Surely that will raise the hackles on all the not shooters(those who think gun control is anything other than being able to hit your target... Love You Guys(and Gals) Grizzly __________________ When white man found this land, Indians were running it. No Taxes... No Debt... Plenty Buffalo... Plenty beaver! Women did most of the work. Medicine Man free! Indian men hunted and fished all the time! White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

12-24-2002, 10:30 PM	#23
grizzly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: PDR of IL Posts: 653 Trader Rating: (0)	Man if only I could spell????I truly am starting to hate alcohol.... __________________ When white man found this land, Indians were running it. No Taxes... No Debt... Plenty Buffalo... Plenty beaver! Women did most of the work. Medicine Man free! Indian men hunted and fished all the time! White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

03-09-2005, 08:47 PM	#29
Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,230 Trader Rating: (0)	Well with the .40 you get the middle of the road. I like it over the other two due to the lighter recoil (than the .45) with the heavier bullet weight (of the 9mm). Not to mention with the LEAs all going to them, the bullet selection is getting better and the price of the ammo is dropping. __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

03-10-2005, 12:32 AM	#35
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't see how firing 40 in a 10mm would be reliable and safe. With revolver rounds you have headspacing on the rim, but rimless auto rounds have no such feature. Shouldered rounds have their shoulder and tapered rounds have their taper, but the straight walls of the 10mm and 40 S&W mean it could go too far in and have some funky if not dangerous malfunctions. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-09-2005, 04:00 PM	#24
RC4 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0)	Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I figured I would get my opinion in here. For true self-defense, you can't really beat the knock down power of the .45. In a self-defense situation, you will rarely be shooting at something farther than 10 yards away, so that takes the accuracy of the 9mm out of the equation. All you want to do is stop the attacker. Any of the weapons will do fine in most situations, but when it comes to true knock down power, the bigger round is better. For the best of both worlds (knock down power and accuracy), I recommend a 10mm with a full power JHP round. One shot, one kill Aim center mass USMC

03-09-2005, 04:06 PM	#25
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I have a 9mm, .40 S&W and in the very near future a .45ACP :target: I'm comfortable with any one..my 9mm is loaded with 124 grain +P Hydra Shoks and there are 16 of them..my .40 is loaded with 135 grain Hydra Shoks...13 of those .45ACP is on layaway ($165 away from coming home to Daddy)

03-09-2005, 04:07 PM	#26
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,894 Trader Rating: (0)	man Grizzly you startin to sound like me when i'm straight.well i ain't never straight. but you know what i mean .

03-09-2005, 04:13 PM	#27
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	coming out of the closet Tommy ?

03-09-2005, 04:13 PM	#28
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't buy the argument that a .45acp is not accurate. I can shoot much better at 25 yd with my springfield 1911 than a 9mm beretta that I've tried - well I do have a better trigger & sights than a stock SA GI but most people will tell you that a 45 is inherently accurate. I do need to get a 9mm though - sometimes I can't find the time to reload, don't have a lot of money and 9mm ammo is $5 a box.

03-09-2005, 10:08 PM	#30
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,894 Trader Rating: (0)	good one you got me on that one

03-09-2005, 10:34 PM	#32
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0)	:flame:

03-09-2005, 10:42 PM	#33
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,894 Trader Rating: (0)	i got a bushel of crabs with your name on it L.D

03-10-2005, 12:26 AM	#34
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886 Trader Rating: (0)	tommy - I sure hope those crabs are the kind I think they are! Man, a bushel of the other kind, is a defensive weapon in its own right!!!! Back on the .45 vs the .40 vs the 9mm. I said before that I would prefer the 10mm, and it is really a .40 Cal, only the case is about 1/8" longer. You use the same loading dies (the .40 Cal is just seated 1/8" lower), can use the same bullets, and for that matter the same powder charge. As far as the cost to shoot a 10mm, in my experience, it is the same as for the .40 Cal, because for most of my 10mm shooting, I have used the .40 Cal cartridges. In all of my 10mm's (S&W 1006, Colt Delta Elite, and S&W 610) the .40 Cals perform about the same as in my .40 Cal handguns. As far as recoil, the 92F(M9) 9mm seems to me to recoil at least as much (it really torques my wrist), or more than any of my .45 ACP's, which are about the same as my 10mm's. My .40 Cal's seem to recoil a little more than my .45 ACP's, and a little less than the 92F (M9) 9mm. I know a lot of people believe that the 92F(M9) was chosen because of the recoil, but it was selected to have a NATO Standard for all NATO members and for no other reason, performance was not a primary consideration. In case you may think that recoil is a real bother to me, I do enjoy shooting my .500 S&W, .44 Magnums, .454 Casul, etc. I have several 9mm handguns, for collector purposes only. My favorites as I had stated before are the 10mm (full power), and the .41 Magnum. Somebody mentioned the .44 Special (fired in a .44 Magnum of course), that is, right after the S&W 610 10mm and .41 Magnum, one of my favorites. Keep in mind that the .44 Magnum (same as the .44 Special), is not .44 Cal, it is .429, (only .019 larger than the .41 Magnum). These are "Wheel guns" as you may have noticed, and "Wheel guns" really are preferred for Defensive Weapons, because "Wheel guns" seldom fail. Using Speedloaders, you can reload your 'Wheel gun" as fast as you can reload a semi-auto with magazines! `

03-10-2005, 01:04 AM	#36
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886 Trader Rating: (0)	BRG3 - If it isn't held tight to the bolt face, by the extractor, it won't fire, and I have never had that happen in the Semi-Autos. I have fired in excess of 8,000 to 10,000 .40 Cal rounds in my Semi-Auto 10mm's and that has never been an issue. The only thing that is an issue, is that you must make sure you clean the chamber well before you try to fire 10mm's the next time (just like after you have been firing .22 LR in a .22 Magnum, .38 Specials in a .357 Magnum, or .44 Specials in a .44 Magnum). At least 10 other people I know also shoot .40 Cal in their 10mm Glocks, Colts, and S&W's, and they have never complained about them not firing. Some of these require a softer recoil spring to cycle, but nothing else. Last edited by Gyrene; 03-13-2005 at 09:19 PM.

03-10-2005, 06:50 AM	#37
ducktapehero Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southern Missouri Posts: 319 Trader Rating: (0)	40 cal VS 45 VS 9mm??? 357 MAGNUM!!!!!!!!! __________________ Is it Duck or Duct Tape? http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html "Me fail English? That's unpossible!!"----Ralph Wiggum

03-10-2005, 12:06 PM	#39
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,894 Trader Rating: (0)	yea buddy . man it would be hard to keep them little suckers in a bushel.

03-10-2005, 06:38 PM	#40
grndesert Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Harris Co. Texas Posts: 133 Trader Rating: (0)	He ain't got nothing on KING KONG!