11-08-2009, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Whootsinator  Actually, I'd feel very confident hunting bear with SS109. Bear have big ol' heads, and SS109 will punch right through it. Low recoil, fast followup, lots of rounds in the magazine. 
I'm not a fan of .223/5.56 for deer, as I've previously said, but I do think it would be fine for bear head. | I'd rather have 4 rounds of .300 Win Mag or 7 rounds of .45-70 Government than 30 rounds of .223 for bear.
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11-08-2009, 07:34 PM
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I didn't say I'd RATHER have .223, but I'd certainly feel capable of defending myself.
A leveraction .45-70 would be my preferred.
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11-08-2009, 07:36 PM
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^ Bear! I'm going to need 8 rounds of 180 grain 30.06 soft points out of the Garand with a .45 1911 on my side...
.223 for bears- even with 30 rounds and going for head shots... isn't a good idea at its best
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11-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Whootsinator | I didn't say I'd RATHER have .223, but I'd certainly feel capable of defending myself.
A leveraction .45-70 would be my preferred. | Okay, I saw where a guy with an .30 carbine M1-carbine with a 30 round magazine killed two grizzly bears near a old army base in Alaska back in the 40's or 50's.
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11-08-2009, 07:41 PM
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since its the 40's or 50's and he killed two bears im hoping it was a full auto carbine and he used the whole 30 rounds...
the 30 carbine round (as many of you know was the phase out for a .45 for 2nd line troops) is kind of like using an overpowered pistol round to shoot at bear, a very formidable animal
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11-08-2009, 08:13 PM
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| Federal Premium - Rifle Details
This is Federal's so called .223 "deer" load.
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11-08-2009, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver I'm just not a fan of the rounds that don't have a bit of lead in them. Just don't seem right!
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11-08-2009, 08:34 PM
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11-09-2009, 01:26 AM
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I want some Noslers
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11-09-2009, 03:23 AM
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223 good for deer and now grizzly bear. Are you kidding me!
Don't be stupid. Quite obviously you have never saw a bear in the wild.
Taking a 223 on a bear hunt will be a self correcting problem,
but if you want to smear honey on yourself so you can test your
theory be my guest.
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11-09-2009, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver Five grains ain't gonna make me or break me, as far as making the kill is concerned. It does, however, affect trajectory when we're talking about an almost 10% change in bullet weight. I'll just stick with the 'Chesters...
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11-09-2009, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by HEMI | 223 good for deer and now grizzly bear. Are you kidding me!
Don't be stupid. Quite obviously you have never saw a bear in the wild.
Taking a 223 on a bear hunt will be a self correcting problem,
but if you want to smear honey on yourself so you can test your
theory be my guest. | I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 7mm on anything capable of fighting back. Then again, I have no plans to take my zombie slayer on a bear hunt...or even go anywhere that has a legal bear season, for that matter.
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11-09-2009, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZombieHunter | Five grains ain't gonna make me or break me, as far as making the kill is concerned. It does, however, affect trajectory when we're talking about an almost 10% change in bullet weight. I'll just stick with the 'Chesters... | The 60 gr Nosler Partitions and 55 gr barnes XXX are not designed to fragment; they just mushroom. The 55gr Winchester Silvertips fragment on impact.
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11-11-2009, 02:10 PM
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Zombiehunter, I can smack a softball sized target anywhere within reasonable deer range with any of my rifles as I am sure most of the good folks here can. I guess you are so skilled that if a deer perks up a bit right when you shoot you'll be able to curve the bullet into his brain stem rather than blow his nose off. Boy I wish I were that good. I do know that when a buck spooks and looks around he moves his head and his vitals stay right where they were.
I don't really care what you hunt with, so long as you are willing to track that wounded animal for as long and as far as necessary to bring it in. You may have been lucky so far, but trust me that day will come when you miss the brain stem and knock the top of his scalp off instead. When that happens I hope you're man enough to go after him rather than looking for the next one.
Call me lazy, but I try to avoid such situations. I have lot's of .223's, but I just feel a .30-06 to the lungs is a far better choice.
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11-11-2009, 08:35 PM
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I recently killed a doe with a .223 using Remington soft point bullets and a lung shot at 75 yards. The deer ran 75 yards with massive internal damage and very little external blood loss. Next time I will use Nosler Partition bullets as they will both expand and penetrate. I suggest head or neck shots as well as lung shots, but only with the Nosler bullet.
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11-11-2009, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ACfixer | Zombiehunter, I can smack a softball sized target anywhere within reasonable deer range with any of my rifles as I am sure most of the good folks here can. I guess you are so skilled that if a deer perks up a bit right when you shoot you'll be able to curve the bullet into his brain stem rather than blow his nose off. Boy I wish I were that good. I do know that when a buck spooks and looks around he moves his head and his vitals stay right where they were.
I don't really care what you hunt with, so long as you are willing to track that wounded animal for as long and as far as necessary to bring it in. You may have been lucky so far, but trust me that day will come when you miss the brain stem and knock the top of his scalp off instead. When that happens I hope you're man enough to go after him rather than looking for the next one.
Call me lazy, but I try to avoid such situations. I have lot's of .223's, but I just feel a .30-06 to the lungs is a far better choice. | Thank you, sir.
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11-12-2009, 06:51 PM
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in my last 2 hunts i used a Vanguard SUB-MOA.
served me well!
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11-13-2009, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ACfixer | Zombiehunter, I can smack a softball sized target anywhere within reasonable deer range with any of my rifles as I am sure most of the good folks here can. I guess you are so skilled that if a deer perks up a bit right when you shoot you'll be able to curve the bullet into his brain stem rather than blow his nose off. Boy I wish I were that good. I do know that when a buck spooks and looks around he moves his head and his vitals stay right where they were.
I don't really care what you hunt with, so long as you are willing to track that wounded animal for as long and as far as necessary to bring it in. You may have been lucky so far, but trust me that day will come when you miss the brain stem and knock the top of his scalp off instead. When that happens I hope you're man enough to go after him rather than looking for the next one.
Call me lazy, but I try to avoid such situations. I have lot's of .223's, but I just feel a .30-06 to the lungs is a far better choice. | You're damned right I'm going to track him down, for as long as it takes. Not sure about where you live, but it's actually against the law NOT to track an animal that you wound in Texas.
Perhaps we were taught about hunting in a slightly different manner, and please don't take this as any kind of an insult because that's not the way I intend it...but I was taught that the way to guarantee a clean shot is to be still with the sights on your prey for at least ten seconds. We're not talking about combat here, the deer don't shoot back. If you don't get to pull the trigger, you wait until your next opportunity to shoot. If you can keep those crosshairs trained on your target for that long, the odds of the deer moving that baseball-sized target area out of the way of that bullet in the fraction of that second it takes between the hammer falling and impact arriving are slim to none...especially when you're shooting at a max range of only 75 yards. It's just not likely to happen.
I won't fire on any animal unless I am absolutely certain that I will kill it, it's just not in my nature to wantonly make an animal suffer just because I am capable of doing so.
I was following the "ten second" rule when I blew that rabbit's brains apart (much smaller target, mind you...from the same stand). Can you imagine how many "false starts" I had, while waiting 15 minutes for that rabbit to stand still long enough for me to take that shot? Let's just say it happened enough that afternoon to the point I was almost ready to yell at him to sit still.
If I am capable of taking a single headshot and dropping an animal where he stands, it's over. I don't hunt for sport, nor do I hunt because I am starving. I will take a shot that preserves as much meat as possible, but won't take the shot unless I am absolutely certain I can make the shot. If that means passing up a massive deer, I'll have hot dogs for dinner and still feel lucky that I was able to witness a beautiful creature in his natural habitat.
My uncle has killed more deer than you and two of your friends can count on fingers and toes, and almost all of them have been with headshots. A good many of them were killed with .22 rimfire rifles, as he had never fired a high-powered rifle before he got drafted. He's never missed a deer, and God willing, I won't either.
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11-14-2009, 08:19 PM
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#259 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Well, if you double-lung a deer with a 150 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip from a .30-06, you ain't going to have to track him.
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver | Well, if you double-lung a deer with a 150 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip from a .30-06, you ain't going to have to track him. | This is true. If you drive a 55gr round through his left ear and out his right eye, you don't ruin any meat.
To each his own, right? Happy hunting. I want photos if you pop anything this weekend!
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