11-15-2009, 12:10 PM
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#261 | | Firearm Aficionado
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and if you had a Star Trek phaser you could just stun it and cut it's throat.. or if you had mind powers you could hypnotise it...
This is more tiresome than the 9mm vs 45 debate.
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11-15-2009, 07:40 PM
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#262 | | Firearm Aficionado
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An AR-15 in .450 Bushmaster or .50 Beowulf would be an excellent woods gun for deer.
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11-15-2009, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver  | An AR-15 in .450 Bushmaster or .50 Beowulf would be an excellent woods gun for deer. | And a Barrett Light Fifty in .50BMG will adequately stop a Chevy truck...but it would probably be easier and cheaper to just depress the brake pedal, shift into park, and turn off the ignition switch.
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11-19-2009, 02:34 PM
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#264 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by ZombieHunter | You're damned right I'm going to track him down, for as long as it takes. Not sure about where you live, but it's actually against the law NOT to track an animal that you wound in Texas. | Ive never hunted in Texas...
Doess it worth the trip?
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11-19-2009, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gunsforlife | Ive never hunted in Texas...
Doess it worth the trip? | Depends on where in Texas you go. The reason our state tourism board uses the slogan "It's like a whole other country" isn't because we're weird or something. Well, we are, but that's beside the point. They use it because Texas has just about every imaginable environment you can imagine, short of tundra and rain forest.
If you're planning on taking a trip to TX for hunting, be sure of what you want to hunt...as this will determine where in TX you'll want to go.
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11-20-2009, 05:49 AM
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I originally put together my AR a few years ago for plinking and prairie dog hunting. When I started to look on forums to see whether or not it would be a decent cartridge for deer hunting I saw that a lot of hunters have had a lot of success with it so I decided to give it a try. Over the last two years I've harvested 7 whitetail deer with my .223 using just factory 62grain hollow points. Each of the deer were harvested with one shot, with the farthest running about 60 yards from where it was shot. I've shot through both shoulders, and had lung and heart shots. The farthest shot was just over 200 yards and the closest about 10. The damage done seems to be comparable to any traditional deer cartridge. From my experience I think that a .223 can be a humane and very effective rifle for deer hunting.
But then again I don't think I would consider taking a shot at a deer over 400 yards with any .223 load. At that range I believe that it's too much of a dice roll of whether or not there is enough energy to cleanly harvest a deer if the shot placement isn't perfect. But then again that's just my comfort zone and others may feel comfortable poking out that far with a .223. Just my opinion, but I hope it helps.
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11-20-2009, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by norsejoe_06 | I originally put together my AR a few years ago for plinking and prairie dog hunting. When I started to look on forums to see whether or not it would be a decent cartridge for deer hunting I saw that a lot of hunters have had a lot of success with it so I decided to give it a try. Over the last two years I've harvested 7 whitetail deer with my .223 using just factory 62grain hollow points. Each of the deer were harvested with one shot, with the farthest running about 60 yards from where it was shot. I've shot through both shoulders, and had lung and heart shots. The farthest shot was just over 200 yards and the closest about 10. The damage done seems to be comparable to any traditional deer cartridge. From my experience I think that a .223 can be a humane and very effective rifle for deer hunting.
But then again I don't think I would consider taking a shot at a deer over 400 yards with any .223 load. At that range I believe that it's too much of a dice roll of whether or not there is enough energy to cleanly harvest a deer if the shot placement isn't perfect. But then again that's just my comfort zone and others may feel comfortable poking out that far with a .223. Just my opinion, but I hope it helps. | Shooting at anything at a distance of over 400yds, without being a very experienced and skilled marksman, is a shot most people just shouldn't bother taking. Ballistics plays such a huge role after 300yds in just about every rifle round available today that such shots shouldn't really be attempted by someone wishing to make a humane kill unless that person has had extensive long-range marksmanship training and a rifle specifically set up for such shots.
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11-20-2009, 01:09 PM
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#268 | | Firearm Zealot
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using a .223 to hunt deer is only acceptable if you hit the deer right... 400yds just leaves too many questions open. I prefer to kill things that I can see with the naked eye. at 400 yds a deer is pretty damn small.
The energy left on a 55gr bullet at 400 yds is questionable.
AR style is different. DPMS makes all sorts of AR style weapons in calibers bigger than .223
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11-20-2009, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cjleete | and if you had a Star Trek phaser you could just stun it and cut it's throat.. or if you had mind powers you could hypnotise it...
This is more tiresome than the 9mm vs 45 debate. | I've actually heard that hypnotizing is actually more efficient than using the Phaser, but you would certainly want to practice before attempting hypnosis otherwise the deer may feel extreme pain while you cut it's throat, or even jump up and break the spell while you are cutting leaving it to bleed to death in the woods later.
This thread should be in the humor forum... my opinion a waste of bandwidth...
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11-21-2009, 12:44 PM
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#270 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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This guy tried hypnosis on a deer...
Me, I'm just going to use bigger rounds when I hunt!
And why doesn't this idiot have a side arm on to avoid becoming an internet sensation?
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11-21-2009, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gunadvocate | This guy tried hypnosis on a deer...
Me, I'm just going to use bigger rounds when I hunt!
And why doesn't this idiot have a side arm on to avoid becoming an internet sensation? | And people wonder why I'm packing a 20rd mag when I hunt! The deer sometimes like to fight back!
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11-22-2009, 08:57 PM
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#272 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by gunadvocate This guy tried hypnosis on a deer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ousGdSSMzWI
Me, I'm just going to use bigger rounds when I hunt!
And why doesn't this idiot have a side arm on to avoid becoming an internet sensation? | That genius hunter had covered himself in cow elk urine.
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11-22-2009, 09:06 PM
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#273 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by gunadvocate This guy tried hypnosis on a deer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ousGdSSMzWI
Me, I'm just going to use bigger rounds when I hunt!
And why doesn't this idiot have a side arm on to avoid becoming an internet sensation? | If you are bowhunting, you can't have a handgun in possession unless it's a CCW gun.
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11-22-2009, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tack Driver | That genius hunter had covered himself in cow elk urine. | Wow...what a mental giant there.
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11-23-2009, 08:38 PM
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#275 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by ZombieHunter | Depends on where in Texas you go. The reason our state tourism board uses the slogan "It's like a whole other country" isn't because we're weird or something. Well, we are, but that's beside the point. They use it because Texas has just about every imaginable environment you can imagine, short of tundra and rain forest.
If you're planning on taking a trip to TX for hunting, be sure of what you want to hunt...as this will determine where in TX you'll want to go. | HAHAHA
thanks for the advise!
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11-23-2009, 08:56 PM
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#276 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by DWARREN123 | Deer have been taken with all types of firearms and in all calibers and gauges. The main thing is if you are comfortable with your ability to put down the animal in a humane manner with the firearm used. | I agree. The better you can handle a gun the better your shot placement and the cleaner the kill. Sometimes less is more.
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12-01-2009, 04:48 PM
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#277 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by IronHorseman | I agree. The better you can handle a gun the better your shot placement and the cleaner the kill. Sometimes less is more. |
Reminds me of a phrase I used to hear from an older guy I used to hunt with;
"Beware of the man with just one gun...he probably knows how to use it"
I always liked that.
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12-01-2009, 09:19 PM
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#278 | | Firearm Aficionado
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55 gr too light, but used 62gr soft points for years, dropping deer in there tracks with 1 shot up to 200 yards.
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12-02-2009, 04:46 AM
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I don't care much for all this hoopla concerning this debate. Seems to me that a well placed shot with a 223 or 5.56 should always kill a deer period with the proper ammo. Would you use a 8mm Mauser steel core bullet on a deer? No, if you knew anything you wouldn't. Would you use a 8mm soft tip? Yes you would. I hunt with a 20" White Oak service upper 1x7 twist. I have taken 4 deer thus far and plan on using my rifle for deer in the future. I shoot with 223 Hornady 75gr Match BTHP Ammo and never had a problem with one shot one kill on a deer 110lbs up to 190 lbs. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't make a kill shot with an accurate AR-15 then you shouldn't be hunting at all no matter what caliber your using.
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12-15-2009, 01:25 PM
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#280 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Two years ago killed a nice three by three Mule deer buck with my AR15 at about 75 yrd. One shot one dead deer. Hit him just be hind the left front shoulder, took out a lung and hit the heart. Good luck to you all who use the 223.
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