Well my last post about this i said that i didnt want to spend that much. Im thinking that i could spend more and get it later. Im thinking maybe $2000 or whatever the minimum is. what models are the best, caliber, scope, etc. thx
Sniper Central - Mel's Sniper Page and check out the two entry level rifles they offer under the SC RIFLES AND TRAINING TAB. They have two a Remington, and a Howa offering. Both are around 1200-1300 dollars.
Similar to BH's sniper central Remington build. LoneWolfUSMC walks you through a "budget" remmy build. I have one very similar to his build but with a Weaver 3-10x40 mildot from midway. Mine ran about $1200-$1300
A 308 with a 1:10 will get you out to 1000, but you have to ask yourself is this just a goal, or will you be shooting competition. Then you may look at other calibers, as $2000 will just be enough for good glass. Also if you will realistically be shooting 100-500 with the occasional 600-1000 then your scope power can be in the 10-12x range , but if you plan to shoot alot of 600+ you will need up around x16-x18. Again glass will get pricey.
This is what I'm doing, YMMV. I bought a previously owned, never fired Remington 700 Sendero II in .300 WinMag, with a Leupold VXII 3-12x scope, $850. The Sendero rifles come with aluminum pillar bedded stocks, so I don't need a new stock. With the right handloads, I have a 1200 yard rifle. With a better scope, I can stretch her out to a mile.
Being that my 700 LTR 20" fluted barrel 308 Win consistently hits spray paint cans at the 500 with handloaded 168 SMK's and BVAC 168 Amax's I think you would do just find with 700 5R or 700 Police with the 24" inch barrel (with a 1:10 twist for the 175-178gr loads that are best suited for the 1k in 308).
I've done really well with the Bushell Elite 4200 Mil-dot with the Mil turrets. This is an outstanding scope, and the best you can buy in the price range ($6xx), and even on par with more expensive scopes. Matter of fact I own a Sako TRG 42 topped with a NightForce 5.5-22x50 (a 2k scope with rings), and while it has better glass than the Bushell I wouldn't be worried about spending the extra money if you didn't have it to spare as the Bushnell will do just fine at the grand.
Between a Remington 700 5R and a Bushnell Elite 4200 or even the 6500 with GOOD rings & base you will be able to stay within the 2k budget. Not only will you be within you budget you'll have a setup that will rival highend very expensive rifles. These rifles will be as accurate as you can be given you take the time to either handload or spend money finding out which factory load works best in your rifle. I recommend trying out the BVAC rounds as I have found it to be as accurate or even more accurate than the much more pricey SMK's in factory loads.
If you don't already, and you are serious about becoming proficient at long range I HIGHlY recommend reloading once you have the cash to invest in it. You will need to spend time on the range regularly to really develop those skills and plan to shoot up to 60 rounds of 308 in a session or more if you are very serious about it. With the cost of most premium match grade rounds being between 30-40 bucks a box it will get pricey pretty quick buying factory. Plus factory rounds are only going to be so accurate in your particular rifle. There's nothing like shooting loads tuned to your particular piece.
P.S. If you want to ask any particular questions feel free to PM me and I'll give you my email address. I love precision long range rifle and I'm always willing to help someone out who cares to ask the questions. Also save your brass. Once you start hitting the long range rifle ranges you'll come across a lot of handloaders that will either buy the brass from you or may be willing to load you some rounds. Brass is dang near half the cost of the components.
coyotehunt2053: Sir, once you start your build How about a pictorial thing, with your progress and thoughts
Others may-be "wanting" to start such a build, your insight will be invaluable
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Take a look at the 6.5X284, it's been used for long range shooting since the 60s. It has excellent ballistics and is commercially loaded. Savage makes their strong single-shot target action.. they have the heavy barrels as well.
Always nice to run into another 700p LTR owner. I'm absolutely loving mine. Have you done any mods to yours?
I have a Badger Ordnance detachable magazine setup, bipod, Leupold VX-3 scope 4.5-14 with target turrets (custom made for me), had the barrel lapped, and I am planning on putting a muzzle brake on soon. I am consistently getting 3/4 to 1 moa with it.
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260 rem, 6.5 creedmoor, and 6.5 lapua all do better than .308 at 1k. Expect to spend good money on glass. If you are deadset on .308 bullets get something with magnum in the name and sling 200 plus grainers. Much better than the 168/175.
A friend of mine has built several rifles that he says will out shoot him time and time again, meaning they are more precise than he is. He's got about 1300-1400 in the rifles alone... they are all trued 700 actions with B&C stocks with 1 to 1 1/8 slight to no contour barrels usually between 27-31". They are heavy but they get it done. I can give you his info for the details and which barrel company he uses. I know they are all glass bedded as well. He does some easy "custom" work reaming out the stocks to fit the oversized barrels too. I believe he's got about 6 or 7 starting at a 221 fireball but not sure if he has anything more than 270-ish.
This is what I'm doing, YMMV. I bought a previously owned, never fired Remington 700 Sendero II in .300 WinMag, with a Leupold VXII 3-12x scope, $850. The Sendero rifles come with aluminum pillar bedded stocks, so I don't need a new stock. With the right handloads, I have a 1200 yard rifle. With a better scope, I can stretch her out to a mile.
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There is a heck of lot of difference in 1200 yards 1760 yards when shooting a rifle.
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I did some research and the .300 Win Mag using a 168gr Tactical Boat Tail leaving the muzzle at 3260'/sec has a bullet drop of 260.2" @ 1000 yrds; that is 21.683 feet of bullet drop...
Mauser .308 caliber bolt action rifle. I built this gun for long range shooting. I bought a unused Argentina 1935 action and fitted it with a Parker Hale 26 inch .308 bull barrel. It was pillar bedded and barrel free floated into a Bell and Carson composite stock. It has a Timney match trigger and is topped with a BSA mil-dot illuminated reticule 6-24 x 50mm scope. I used it to drop groundhogs at 500 yards and competed with it in several F-Class long range matches. It has zeroes for 100-1000 yards and is quite accurate. I have shot a 196 out of a possible 200 at 600 yards and a 184 out of 200 at 1000 using M852 Military Match ammo. Complete build =$450
In June of 2011 I took delivery of a custom-built BR rifle from Jim See, a gunsmith headquartered in Pittsville, WI. It is in 6BR or 6mm BR, whatever you choose to call it. This cartridge is somewhat similar to the 6mm PPC in case capacity and performance.
This rifle is set up for 600 yd shooting and competition. I have read that this caliber has done respectably in 1000 yd competition also. It may be better suited for 600 yd shooting.
The rifle is 1/8 twist, which allows the rifle to shoot the 107 gr Sierra BTHP. It has a Brux barrel.
I have only had this rifle part of a season, and need more time to expound on its merits. However, it is something to think about.
I paid $2700, but if you are set up to do your own gunsmithing, it would be much cheaper.
This is a very heavy rifle, and not suited to carrying around the hunting fields. Unfortunately, to get tack-driver rifles at extreme ranges, you sometimes have to make compromises.
I can't even imagine a sporter weight rifle that could hold against a rifle such as mine at extreme ranges.
Some may write in with such claims. I have found that a certain percentage of posts on any of these BBs are pretty darn hard to swallow, so be prepared for "a grain of salt."
I bought a Weatherby Vanguard SII in 7mm Rem Mag and the reviews I've read say it's accurate out to 1000 yards. Havn't tested that yet but with a good scope I can't see why it wouldn't reach that far. The gun itself was only 450 bucks.
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Always nice to run into another 700p LTR owner. I'm absolutely loving mine. Have you done any mods to yours?
I have a Badger Ordnance detachable magazine setup, bipod, Leupold VX-3 scope 4.5-14 with target turrets (custom made for me), had the barrel lapped, and I am planning on putting a muzzle brake on soon. I am consistently getting 3/4 to 1 moa with it.
The 700LTR really is an AWESOME rifle. I haven't done any mods to mine, but I have spent quiet a bit of time fine tuning handloads to it. I've gotten my handloaded 168 SMK's shooting .3" @ 100 yards. The LTR is extremely accurate without a doubt. I have noticed however that the 168 AMAX is a little more accurate at longer ranges so I'm going to start working with that bullet until I find a recipe that works really well.
Eventually I'll probably add a slightly larger bolt knob to mine, and the extended detachable magazine. I was seriously considering sending it off to have a lot of work done to it, but I ended up buying the TRG so I'll have to wait a while before I do anything else in terms of modifications. Or for that matter spend anything on high quality firearm for a while. The TRG setup with all the top gear cost me some PRETTY pennies.
260 rem, 6.5 creedmoor, and 6.5 lapua all do better than .308 at 1k. Expect to spend good money on glass. If you are deadset on .308 bullets get something with magnum in the name and sling 200 plus grainers. Much better than the 168/175.
Pretty darn good advice here. I use my 308Win @ the 500, and anything beyond that I use my TRG 300WM. The 308Win certainly has the ability do well at the 1k, but I much prefer pushing 208 Amax's @ 2875fps (molly barrel) & 210 Bergers for the really long shots. When you glass the rounds going down range in the magnum it's amazing how much flatter and faster their flight time to target is. Plus the high BC 200gr+ match quality bullets are like butter in the wind.
If you do decide to stick with the 308 bullets and decide to go with a magnum I HIGHLY recommend you add the cost of a good muzzle brake to your rifle's overall cost. Believe it or not my TRG recoils less than my 308 even when pushing the heavies pretty hot. Gotta love a good muzzle brake.
On the flip side of that the 300WM isn't the best choice if your just cutting your teeth in the sport. You'll need to spend time letting that barrel cool because the 300WM cartridge will get things hot in a hurry. One of the calibers mentioned above will allow you to get more shots down range in a day at the range which is going to equal to more experience in the same amount of time. Nothing wrong with the big magnum's, but you may want to hold off and get one after you have a quality non magnum. If you don't take the time to let the magnum cool (not matter how thick a barrel you go with) then your accuracy is going to suffer, and your going to smoke a barrel pretty darn fast.
I did some research and the .300 Win Mag using a 168gr Tactical Boat Tail leaving the muzzle at 3260'/sec has a bullet drop of 260.2" @ 1000 yrds; that is 21.683 feet of bullet drop...
Bullet drop is a none issue that is easily compensated for. What people should be more concerned with is what the heck the wind is doing, and how your particular cartridge and bullet perform in the wind. Those knobs on scopes are there for a reason of course. Bullet drop is EASILY adjusted for. I can guarantee you anytime I get behind my gun on the long range firing line (or any experienced long range shooter) the FIRST thing that is going through my mind is what is the wind doing. The mental check list goes like this. What wind indicators do I have, any flags, grass, what value is the wind blowing (half value, full value, quarter value, no value), and if there are no indicators I read the wind from the mirage - watching the heat boil. You can easily compensate for bullet drop.
Plus the 168gr bullet is FAR from the best bullet you can use in the 300 Mag for long range. Try thinking more a long the lines of 190gr - 220gr. High velocity is not king in long range shooting. I'll take a high BC 208-210gr bullet going 300-400 fps slower in my 300WM than I will a 168gr out to and beyond 1000 yards any day.
Really anything below a 180gr bullet is best suited to a 308/30-06. On the other hand talking flat trajectories; the 180gr bullet in a 300WM will shoot as flat as a 130gr bullet in the 270Win.
I would look at the Savage brand of rifles.... 7 WSM and use the 162gr or 175gn. SMK or Berger Bullet. Alot of Longrange guys have shot 5 -6 inch groups (1000 yards) with that set-up. Google "Longrange 7WSM". I have a
.300 RUM but want to get a 7WSM in the near future.
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