i got messed over

jamesfaync · 10-04-2005, 02:07 PM

yesterday i bought a beutiful 1936 mosin nagant 91/30. unfortuantly i didnt relize until i got home than it was reblued when i started looking for a importers mark. just curious how many of you guys missed problems like this when you were new to the gun world or am i the only one.

Troy · 10-04-2005, 02:23 PM

oh yeah, i've been done without a kiss too.

iflylow74 · 10-04-2005, 02:33 PM

I know how ya feel.. I bought my sks before I knew much about 'em. The guy told me it was a Russian version and asked a premium for it...I paid it and found it to be a Yugo 59/66..

jamesfaync · 10-04-2005, 02:54 PM

boy im starting to see a trend 3 outa 3

silentknight · 10-04-2005, 02:58 PM

Not yet, with all the guns I've purchased, the seller has been truthfull. *Knocks on wood*

Big Dog · 10-04-2005, 03:10 PM

Yep. Bought an old Marlin Model A1 semiauto .22 rifle once at the gunshow.
Got it home, and a few days later, I found the gun was non-functional. Bolt was battered to the extent the firing pin was stuck in place. The cocking knob would fall off, and the extractor was gone. My tough luck, and ths being in my early gun-buying days, I learned from it!
Ah well, several parts from that gun are now on other Marlins. Trigger guard here, the buttplate there . . . the stock will eventually be fitted with a BP inline rifle action. Not a total loss. Made lemonaid from the lemon.

Ctwo · 10-04-2005, 04:38 PM

Well, I've never really been taken. I got just what I thought I was getting. I just did not know that was not really what I wanted.

Oxford · 10-04-2005, 05:51 PM

Can't imagine that anyone who's bought guns in the past hasn't had at least one or more occasions when they felt they'd been taken advantage to some degree within a few days after the cash or guns had exchanged hands. Usually the policy is "let the buyer beware"...or the purchase or trade is "as is."

My lastest such occasion occured when I bought a Winchester Model 94 30-30 rifle from my brother in law.

:guitar: He said the rifle was a "pre-65" model, which turned out to be a 1974 gun. From my viewpoint the pre '64 model has more collector's value than many of the later models.

And...I didn't notice until later that the gun was missing two parts...the rear sight elevator ramp...and the front sight cover. Nothing major...but yes, I would like to have been aware of those items before buying the rifle.

And...finally, I paid about $100 more than some on this forum have said it was worth. However, in browing "Auction Arms.Com" I've found most Model 94's were priced even higher than what I paid.

However, all in all I'm happy with the gun now, and the items mentioned above that were missing were low cost and were found fairly easily and installed. Took the Winn 94 30-30 out target shooting recently and now I wouldn't get rid of it for much more than what I paid for it.

Snakebite · 10-04-2005, 09:21 PM

Other than paying too much because I didnt do enough research, I'd have to say no. All have worked good and didnt blow up in my face.
Paying too much was my fault.

BigJake · 10-05-2005, 12:58 PM

My first handgun that I bought (through the proper channels) was going to be special. So I paid on a payment plan for one of the more expensive 1911 style guns that was in the store. I was young and I had to have something that noone I knew owned. There in the case was my gun, A double stack Para Ordinance P13. (I hate to even type that name) The seller told me how reliable it was and how accurate and "perfect" it was. This was during the time of the "Clinton Mags", So having a 45 that held 13 rounds sounded awesome.
When I finally got it, I sent off the cupon that came with it for and extra mag for only 60 dollars. (hmmm what a steal) When I shot it, it jammed on the third round. : Failure to Extract and fed another round into the base of the fired case still in the chamber.:

Figured I needed to break it in so 500 rounds later and 3 different mags later (wasn't the mag lips) It was still jamming.
I took it back to the dealer and he said 2 things "Just keep shooting it, Break it in!" and then said "aww you are probably just Limp wristing it."
ooooooh, I was pissed. I had the feed ramp polished up like the Stanly Cup, and replaced the extractor spring. Still no go.
A situation arose where I thought I was going to have to defend myself with it, and I knew the first shot would fire, and would probably do the trick but at that moment I then deemed the firearm unreliable.
So 300 dollars later (not counting the cost of the gun) I traded it in for a gun I knew would work and there would be no hesitation with the trade.

I traded for a New Ruger P90 with a total of 7 mags, tritium sights and a box of ball ammo.
To this day it has never misfired on me once. All in all finantially I was worked over but in reliability I conqured the delima.

I heard that Para Ordinance (I hate that name) have improved their products, and have even put in some kind of "Super Extractor" but I have been bitten and I shy away from Para(s) (that is not as hard to type.)

Oxford · 10-05-2005, 03:18 PM

Good story and final conclusion BigJake. :right:

My guess is that many members on G&G have been "messed with" in their gun trades or purchases at one time or another, but just won't admit it. :nod:

BigJake · 10-05-2005, 04:55 PM

Well I had to learn from my experiences, maybe someone can avoid having to take the fall, since they saw me just trip, myself. (I think that makes since)

jamesfaync · 10-07-2005, 09:23 PM

i appriciate that. makes me feel a little better. unfortunatly not 2 days after i bought it someone broke in and stole all my guns.. anyone happen to know where i can find a romainian sks to replace one i had?

FROSTY · 10-08-2005, 09:19 PM

Purchased a beautiful Savage model 99 in 300 Savage at a gun show in p.a., and when I got to the range and fired some factory ammo thru her, I discovered case head seperation, which can only mean a head-space problem or a balooned chamber from exessive hand-loads...never saw the dude again...

practical · 10-08-2005, 11:21 PM

I paid too much for my L1A1. I also bought a Walther P22 once. Then karma did its thing and the guy who sold me the L1A1 bought the P22. Haha.

Uncle Red · 10-08-2005, 11:55 PM

I've been very lucky so far. Including, not one but two (2) guns given to me for free. -UR

auspighunter · 10-10-2005, 12:05 AM

not so much guns but scopes
i saved over a 150 bucks by buying my scope from a gunshop in queensland than the gunshop near my home he is generally 100 dollars over priced on everything
but cause we know a lot of the guys there we get discounts but still way too expensiv
his new rifles are about the same

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-10-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesfaync

i appriciate that. makes me feel a little better. unfortunatly not 2 days after i bought it someone broke in and stole all my guns.. anyone happen to know where i can find a romainian sks to replace one i had?

F FAYETTEVILLE

Sorry to hear about that. Come on to greenwood sc. I rent you a room; and lend you a rilfe.

practical · 10-10-2005, 09:17 PM

I have a Romanian, but you can't have it. Its one of my best shooters. I can check and see if my buddy still has his. He's always selling stuff.

jamesfaync · 10-10-2005, 09:24 PM

practical if your buddy wants to sell it i will goto the atf and apply for a c&R license tomarrow

10-04-2005, 02:07 PM	#1
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0)	i got messed over yesterday i bought a beutiful 1936 mosin nagant 91/30. unfortuantly i didnt relize until i got home than it was reblued when i started looking for a importers mark. just curious how many of you guys missed problems like this when you were new to the gun world or am i the only one.

10-04-2005, 02:33 PM	#3
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansaw Posts: 982 Trader Rating: (0)	I know how ya feel.. I bought my sks before I knew much about 'em. The guy told me it was a Russian version and asked a premium for it...I paid it and found it to be a Yugo 59/66.. __________________ Most things aren't a matter of can or can't, but a matter of want to or don't want to. -me

10-04-2005, 02:58 PM	#5
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Trader Rating: (0)	Not yet, with all the guns I've purchased, the seller has been truthfull. Knocks on wood __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

10-04-2005, 03:10 PM	#6
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,015 Trader Rating: (0)	Yep. Bought an old Marlin Model A1 semiauto .22 rifle once at the gunshow. Got it home, and a few days later, I found the gun was non-functional. Bolt was battered to the extent the firing pin was stuck in place. The cocking knob would fall off, and the extractor was gone. My tough luck, and ths being in my early gun-buying days, I learned from it! Ah well, several parts from that gun are now on other Marlins. Trigger guard here, the buttplate there . . . the stock will eventually be fitted with a BP inline rifle action. Not a total loss. Made lemonaid from the lemon. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-04-2005, 05:51 PM	#8
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,949 Trader Rating: (0)	Can't imagine that anyone who's bought guns in the past hasn't had at least one or more occasions when they felt they'd been taken advantage to some degree within a few days after the cash or guns had exchanged hands. Usually the policy is "let the buyer beware"...or the purchase or trade is "as is." My lastest such occasion occured when I bought a Winchester Model 94 30-30 rifle from my brother in law. :guitar: He said the rifle was a "pre-65" model, which turned out to be a 1974 gun. From my viewpoint the pre '64 model has more collector's value than many of the later models. And...I didn't notice until later that the gun was missing two parts...the rear sight elevator ramp...and the front sight cover. Nothing major...but yes, I would like to have been aware of those items before buying the rifle. And...finally, I paid about $100 more than some on this forum have said it was worth. However, in browing "Auction Arms.Com" I've found most Model 94's were priced even higher than what I paid. However, all in all I'm happy with the gun now, and the items mentioned above that were missing were low cost and were found fairly easily and installed. Took the Winn 94 30-30 out target shooting recently and now I wouldn't get rid of it for much more than what I paid for it. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

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10-04-2005, 02:23 PM	#2
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,493 Trader Rating: (0)	oh yeah, i've been done without a kiss too.

10-04-2005, 02:54 PM	#4
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0)	boy im starting to see a trend 3 outa 3

10-04-2005, 04:38 PM	#7
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, I've never really been taken. I got just what I thought I was getting. I just did not know that was not really what I wanted.

10-04-2005, 09:21 PM	#9
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	Other than paying too much because I didnt do enough research, I'd have to say no. All have worked good and didnt blow up in my face. Paying too much was my fault.

10-05-2005, 12:58 PM	#10
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184 Trader Rating: (0)	My first handgun that I bought (through the proper channels) was going to be special. So I paid on a payment plan for one of the more expensive 1911 style guns that was in the store. I was young and I had to have something that noone I knew owned. There in the case was my gun, A double stack Para Ordinance P13. (I hate to even type that name) The seller told me how reliable it was and how accurate and "perfect" it was. This was during the time of the "Clinton Mags", So having a 45 that held 13 rounds sounded awesome. When I finally got it, I sent off the cupon that came with it for and extra mag for only 60 dollars. (hmmm what a steal) When I shot it, it jammed on the third round. : Failure to Extract and fed another round into the base of the fired case still in the chamber.: Figured I needed to break it in so 500 rounds later and 3 different mags later (wasn't the mag lips) It was still jamming. I took it back to the dealer and he said 2 things "Just keep shooting it, Break it in!" and then said "aww you are probably just Limp wristing it." ooooooh, I was pissed. I had the feed ramp polished up like the Stanly Cup, and replaced the extractor spring. Still no go. A situation arose where I thought I was going to have to defend myself with it, and I knew the first shot would fire, and would probably do the trick but at that moment I then deemed the firearm unreliable. So 300 dollars later (not counting the cost of the gun) I traded it in for a gun I knew would work and there would be no hesitation with the trade. I traded for a New Ruger P90 with a total of 7 mags, tritium sights and a box of ball ammo. To this day it has never misfired on me once. All in all finantially I was worked over but in reliability I conqured the delima. I heard that Para Ordinance (I hate that name) have improved their products, and have even put in some kind of "Super Extractor" but I have been bitten and I shy away from Para(s) (that is not as hard to type.) __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

10-05-2005, 03:18 PM	#11
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,949 Trader Rating: (0)	Good story and final conclusion BigJake. :right: My guess is that many members on G&G have been "messed with" in their gun trades or purchases at one time or another, but just won't admit it. :nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

10-05-2005, 04:55 PM	#12
BigJake Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Posts: 184 Trader Rating: (0)	Well I had to learn from my experiences, maybe someone can avoid having to take the fall, since they saw me just trip, myself. (I think that makes since) __________________ Yo Ho Ho an-a bottle a Brass Monkey...

10-07-2005, 09:23 PM	#13
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0)	i appriciate that. makes me feel a little better. unfortunatly not 2 days after i bought it someone broke in and stole all my guns.. anyone happen to know where i can find a romainian sks to replace one i had?

10-08-2005, 09:19 PM	#14
FROSTY Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0)	Purchased a beautiful Savage model 99 in 300 Savage at a gun show in p.a., and when I got to the range and fired some factory ammo thru her, I discovered case head seperation, which can only mean a head-space problem or a balooned chamber from exessive hand-loads...never saw the dude again...

10-08-2005, 11:21 PM	#15
practical Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA/Casper, WY Posts: 736 Trader Rating: (0)	I paid too much for my L1A1. I also bought a Walther P22 once. Then karma did its thing and the guy who sold me the L1A1 bought the P22. Haha. __________________ Eric "The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made" Last edited by practical; 10-08-2005 at 11:28 PM.

10-08-2005, 11:55 PM	#16
Uncle Red Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 547 Trader Rating: (0)	I've been very lucky so far. Including, not one but two (2) guns given to me for free. -UR __________________ "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"--Amendment II, Bill of Rights "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."--Thomas Paine "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36

10-10-2005, 12:05 AM	#17
auspighunter Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 99 Trader Rating: (0)	not so much guns but scopes i saved over a 150 bucks by buying my scope from a gunshop in queensland than the gunshop near my home he is generally 100 dollars over priced on everything but cause we know a lot of the guys there we get discounts but still way too expensiv his new rifles are about the same

10-10-2005, 09:17 PM	#19
practical Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA/Casper, WY Posts: 736 Trader Rating: (0)	I have a Romanian, but you can't have it. Its one of my best shooters. I can check and see if my buddy still has his. He's always selling stuff. __________________ Eric "The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made"

10-10-2005, 09:24 PM	#20
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0)	practical if your buddy wants to sell it i will goto the atf and apply for a c&R license tomarrow

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