Best MBR for $1500 - Page 2

Beer Forever · 04-20-2006, 02:32 PM

I think you have everything covered already. You have the G3 for the long shots, AK and 12ga for CQC, and the AR-15 for everything in between. All you need now is a Bulgarian AK to show off and be cool. I am going to try and get an underfolder today.

Beer Forever · 04-20-2006, 02:33 PM

If you need longer shots than the G3 get a Remmington 700 .308 and you'll be set for life dude.

Pred · 04-20-2006, 02:55 PM

I've already got a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 though. I need more firepower.

Beer Forever · 04-20-2006, 03:53 PM

Well I am getting a Yugo underfolder today, so there!!

Pred · 04-20-2006, 04:15 PM

THREAD STEALER!!!! Thats cool, there better be pics up tonight.

Beer Forever · 04-20-2006, 04:18 PM

I have to got to the store after work and then see if they want to do the trade. We'll see, but I really hope it goes through.

at4rxj · 04-20-2006, 04:34 PM

Pred, get one of the .50 bmg uppers for your AR if you're wanting more firepower...

Sure, they're single shot, but who cares?

BattleRifleG3 · 04-20-2006, 06:30 PM

Regarding 308 ARs, there are choices but not with all the same tradeoffs. If I wanted capacity and fast reloads, I'd go with an Eagle (by Armalite) AR-10 for about a grand. There's something perfect about the proportions of that rifle in that caliber in the standard A2 configuration.

For a 308 MBR, the most for your money is probably the PTR, but they're more expensive than they used to be. Well worth it though. Lots of options these days, including rail systems.

FALs are only the least accurate of the bunch when they're made with worn surplus parts on less than optimal quality receivers. DSA makes excellent FALs in the USA that are quite accurate.

However, I wouldn't part with your AR and AK. OK, maybe the AR, I'd part with that for a PTR. There may be another option that's the best of most worlds, including cost, but it's still in the works. If you like the AK, like the 308, like accuracy, and like high capacity, I should have a good solution soon.

Pred · 04-20-2006, 09:40 PM

Now I'm interested.....

Mooseman684 · 04-21-2006, 12:36 AM

You guys Crack Me up... You get great rifles and then you want to get rid of them and get more and then you trade them off Too ! You guys act like women...NEVER SATISFIED !!! LOL
Buy Good Guns...Keep em and Buy MORE !

BattleRifleG3 · 04-21-2006, 08:09 AM

I'm with Mooseman on this!

Pred · 04-21-2006, 10:12 AM

Yeah but I have to deal with the wife. If I want an M-14, the only way I can do it is to sell some stuff. I can deal with spending $600 and have $800 from sales, but I cant spend $1400, it's weird but you know what I mean. I may not sell anything, I just wanted to get everyones advice/thoughts on these guns so I could make the right choice for what I want. And the right choice might be to keep my G3 and buy more AK's too, either way I'm buying something.

Pred · 04-21-2006, 10:24 AM

So what if I want to sell my AR, I build it. If I can make a $100 on it, sweet. My G3 is a $400 semi-auto .308. Is it accurate? Yes. Can I hit something at 300 yards with it? You bet. We all know Century's work, sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not. Did I get lucky? Looks like it, but will my G3 hold that accuracy out to 1000 yards? The M-14 is a world class rifle, that, doesn't matter if you use it to get your first deer at 50 yards, or to knock off an Iranian general at 1000 yards, it can do it. I've always wanted an M-14, so why not get one. While I may be picking at Moose alittle, the fact is I'm still moving up the scale with a change in rifles. I'd be building another AR also, and I'd like to do it, one because it's fun, and two because theres some stuff I would change, that I wish I had done the first time. If I buy a nice $1000 DSA FAL, or a PTR-91, it's still a better made gun then my G3, will anyone argue that point? Am I wrong?

BattleRifleG3 · 04-21-2006, 10:34 AM

If your $400 G3 shoots accurately and reliably for you, I'd say it's a keeper.

AKs are great and affordable in most varieties. If you pick up an AK in 223, you may find yourself wanting to sell your AR simply because of how sweet the AK is in that round - at least that's my experience. I'm working on an innovative bullpup system for 223 AKs.

I also highly recommend the Saiga-308. Very accurate, affordable, and reliable. Only limitation is magazines, which is what I'm working on remedying. But even with the 8rd mag you have a rifle that will shoot those 8 rounds reliably and accurately. I've had it with rifles that say "Ooh, this is a sportsman's rifle, not a military rifle" as an excuse for not working. The young girl I hunted with this last fall lost a deer because her not-so-sporting rifle jammed. Reliability matters as much in sport as in war, only difference is an animal could die slowly and painfully if you can't finish it as opposed to you dieing slowly and painfully.

Pred · 04-21-2006, 10:36 AM

Do you have any links that talk about AK's in .223? Are mags hard to find? As for the gunshow, I should find anything I want up there. The last show had about 3000 tables and took up a whole wing. The next show is supposed to take up two whole wings, I think the hardest part will involve the amount of time I have.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-21-2006, 10:55 AM

223 mags are not hard to find, but are not standard either. Most commonly used ones are Bulgarian waffles, Galil, German Weiger, and AK-74 mags with modified follower.
I'm working on a clip in adaptor that will allow use of Mini-14 mags that may suck in the Mini but hopefully the AK will be more forgiving.
The bullpup system I'm working on would use AR-15 mags. The straight insertion makes superior ergonomics possible.

223 AKs include the Bulgarian SAM-5 milled that costs as much as an AR but is worth it, the Saiga-223 and conversions thereof, the SAR and WASR-3s from Romania, and Chinese ones no longer imported. There are also some builds using new and used kits.

Beer Forever · 04-21-2006, 12:01 PM

I perfer the 7.62x39 round compared to the .223. Just my thought. I know the .223 is more accurate and can travel much longer distances, but it lacks the knock-down power of the 7.62x.39. Would you take a SAIGA .308 over a WASR-10?

Beer Forever · 04-21-2006, 12:10 PM

I am just going to save up for a Yugo and trade in the WASR-10 towards the difference.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-21-2006, 12:10 PM

Depends on what for. Different tools for different uses. A WASR-10 in X39 doesn't have the range or energy that I would want available for hunting as I have in the past. A full power round like 308 is a better choice for big game at 100yd+ ranges. An X39 may work for the smaller varieties at maybe twice that range, but I wouldn't call it versatile.

04-20-2006, 02:32 PM	#21
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	I think you have everything covered already. You have the G3 for the long shots, AK and 12ga for CQC, and the AR-15 for everything in between. All you need now is a Bulgarian AK to show off and be cool. I am going to try and get an underfolder today. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-20-2006, 02:33 PM	#22
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	If you need longer shots than the G3 get a Remmington 700 .308 and you'll be set for life dude. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-20-2006, 03:53 PM	#24
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	Well I am getting a Yugo underfolder today, so there!! __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-20-2006, 04:18 PM	#26
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	I have to got to the store after work and then see if they want to do the trade. We'll see, but I really hope it goes through. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-20-2006, 06:30 PM	#28
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Regarding 308 ARs, there are choices but not with all the same tradeoffs. If I wanted capacity and fast reloads, I'd go with an Eagle (by Armalite) AR-10 for about a grand. There's something perfect about the proportions of that rifle in that caliber in the standard A2 configuration. For a 308 MBR, the most for your money is probably the PTR, but they're more expensive than they used to be. Well worth it though. Lots of options these days, including rail systems. FALs are only the least accurate of the bunch when they're made with worn surplus parts on less than optimal quality receivers. DSA makes excellent FALs in the USA that are quite accurate. However, I wouldn't part with your AR and AK. OK, maybe the AR, I'd part with that for a PTR. There may be another option that's the best of most worlds, including cost, but it's still in the works. If you like the AK, like the 308, like accuracy, and like high capacity, I should have a good solution soon. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-20-2006, 02:55 PM	#23
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	I've already got a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 though. I need more firepower.

04-20-2006, 04:15 PM	#25
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	THREAD STEALER!!!! Thats cool, there better be pics up tonight.

04-20-2006, 04:34 PM	#27
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	Pred, get one of the .50 bmg uppers for your AR if you're wanting more firepower... Sure, they're single shot, but who cares?

04-20-2006, 09:40 PM	#29
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Now I'm interested.....

04-21-2006, 12:36 AM	#30
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,691 Images: 2	You guys Crack Me up... You get great rifles and then you want to get rid of them and get more and then you trade them off Too ! You guys act like women...NEVER SATISFIED !!! LOL Buy Good Guns...Keep em and Buy MORE ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-21-2006, 08:09 AM	#31
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I'm with Mooseman on this! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-21-2006, 10:12 AM	#32
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah but I have to deal with the wife. If I want an M-14, the only way I can do it is to sell some stuff. I can deal with spending $600 and have $800 from sales, but I cant spend $1400, it's weird but you know what I mean. I may not sell anything, I just wanted to get everyones advice/thoughts on these guns so I could make the right choice for what I want. And the right choice might be to keep my G3 and buy more AK's too, either way I'm buying something.

04-21-2006, 10:24 AM	#33
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	So what if I want to sell my AR, I build it. If I can make a $100 on it, sweet. My G3 is a $400 semi-auto .308. Is it accurate? Yes. Can I hit something at 300 yards with it? You bet. We all know Century's work, sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not. Did I get lucky? Looks like it, but will my G3 hold that accuracy out to 1000 yards? The M-14 is a world class rifle, that, doesn't matter if you use it to get your first deer at 50 yards, or to knock off an Iranian general at 1000 yards, it can do it. I've always wanted an M-14, so why not get one. While I may be picking at Moose alittle, the fact is I'm still moving up the scale with a change in rifles. I'd be building another AR also, and I'd like to do it, one because it's fun, and two because theres some stuff I would change, that I wish I had done the first time. If I buy a nice $1000 DSA FAL, or a PTR-91, it's still a better made gun then my G3, will anyone argue that point? Am I wrong?

04-21-2006, 10:34 AM	#34
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	If your $400 G3 shoots accurately and reliably for you, I'd say it's a keeper. AKs are great and affordable in most varieties. If you pick up an AK in 223, you may find yourself wanting to sell your AR simply because of how sweet the AK is in that round - at least that's my experience. I'm working on an innovative bullpup system for 223 AKs. I also highly recommend the Saiga-308. Very accurate, affordable, and reliable. Only limitation is magazines, which is what I'm working on remedying. But even with the 8rd mag you have a rifle that will shoot those 8 rounds reliably and accurately. I've had it with rifles that say "Ooh, this is a sportsman's rifle, not a military rifle" as an excuse for not working. The young girl I hunted with this last fall lost a deer because her not-so-sporting rifle jammed. Reliability matters as much in sport as in war, only difference is an animal could die slowly and painfully if you can't finish it as opposed to you dieing slowly and painfully. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-21-2006, 10:36 AM	#35
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Do you have any links that talk about AK's in .223? Are mags hard to find? As for the gunshow, I should find anything I want up there. The last show had about 3000 tables and took up a whole wing. The next show is supposed to take up two whole wings, I think the hardest part will involve the amount of time I have.

04-21-2006, 10:55 AM	#36
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	223 mags are not hard to find, but are not standard either. Most commonly used ones are Bulgarian waffles, Galil, German Weiger, and AK-74 mags with modified follower. I'm working on a clip in adaptor that will allow use of Mini-14 mags that may suck in the Mini but hopefully the AK will be more forgiving. The bullpup system I'm working on would use AR-15 mags. The straight insertion makes superior ergonomics possible. 223 AKs include the Bulgarian SAM-5 milled that costs as much as an AR but is worth it, the Saiga-223 and conversions thereof, the SAR and WASR-3s from Romania, and Chinese ones no longer imported. There are also some builds using new and used kits. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-21-2006, 12:01 PM	#37
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	I perfer the 7.62x39 round compared to the .223. Just my thought. I know the .223 is more accurate and can travel much longer distances, but it lacks the knock-down power of the 7.62x.39. Would you take a SAIGA .308 over a WASR-10? __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-21-2006, 12:10 PM	#38
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	I am just going to save up for a Yugo and trade in the WASR-10 towards the difference. __________________ Paramedic sks forever