Ar-15

Silent · 05-25-2006, 10:58 PM

I'm looking into getting myself a ar-15 varmint style. For target pratice and also varmints and maybe even a deer

. But i dont want to jsut buy a full build one there more then what i have some people build. So i was thinking about building myself one but i dont know if its the best idea. So what are your thoughts about this need input still thinking this or a normal bolt action.

USMC · 05-25-2006, 11:32 PM

I hunt varmints, deer and target with this one! I'd buy a complete lower then the type of upper you want and then the optics. Thats how I built this. I bought one piece every few months! This one will shoot 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yds.

Silent · 05-25-2006, 11:48 PM

Dude tahts what im looking to get that right there. Fine rifle i must say. See that is what i want right there the Varmint version. This is what i was looking at http://www.model1sales.com/catalog-l...ifle&storeid=1
24'' one. If im not mistaken thats the whole rifle right ? But how much was your rifle ? My pain problem is i dont have that many tools and i dont know if i would be able to build one from part to part unless i get more info and its easy as dirt to do then i will.

FutureMarine · 05-25-2006, 11:52 PM

i could be wrong, because i am not the biggest hunting buff in the world, but how effective is a well placed .223 on a deer

USMC · 05-25-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FutureMarine

i could be wrong, because i am not the biggest hunting buff in the world, but how effective is a well placed .223 on a deer

Mine has been 100% Never had to shoot more than once and only one ran 20 yds and all the rest dropped like a bag of rocks. Heres a couple pics!

FutureMarine · 05-25-2006, 11:58 PM

do you post a pic with all of your posts

USMC · 05-26-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Silent

Dude tahts what im looking to get that right there. Fine rifle i must say. See that is what i want right there the Varmint version. This is what i was looking at http://www.model1sales.com/catalog-l...ifle&storeid=1
24'' one. If im not mistaken thats the whole rifle right ? But how much was your rifle ? My pain problem is i dont have that many tools and i dont know if i would be able to build one from part to part unless i get more info and its easy as dirt to do then i will.

The lower was $250
The bolt w/ charge handle was $120
The upper w/barrel was $150 (used)
Mine has an Olympic 20" SUM barrel which in my opinion is the best barrel made and the twist is 1x10 and I use nosler ballicstic tip 55 gr bullets loaded by T's guns and ammo.

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Originally Posted by FutureMarine

do you post a pic with all of your posts

Only when I reply to people I like!

lefty o · 05-26-2006, 12:16 AM

is the .223 capable of killing deer, yes. is it highly recommended, no. there is also a difference between how a 100# animal will react to it compared to a 200+# animal. not trying to start an argument ( as this has been argued a million times before), just food for thought.

USMC · 05-26-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

is the .223 capable of killing deer, yes. is it highly recommended, no. there is also a difference between how a 100# animal will react to it compared to a 200+# animal. not trying to start an argument ( as this has been argued a million times before), just food for thought.

I have shot axis deer around 200lbs with .223 all with the same effect. I will say that all deer were taken within 125 yds. Those are just pics I already had in the computer. I understand your position but a competent experienced hunter can use .223 effectively and humanely

lefty o · 05-26-2006, 01:11 AM

like i said, i didnt post it to argue the facts, but a 22lr is perfectly capably of cleanly killing a large whitetail- with the right guy behind the trigger. thats not highly recommended either. on the other hand, if it is legal in your state to use a .223 on deer, and you feel confident on making a clean kill- go for it. the newbies should also be advised that in many states , the .223 is not legal to use for hunting big game animals.

BattleRifleG3 · 05-26-2006, 09:16 AM

In PA, you can use a 223, but no semi-autos for deer hunting. You'd have to use a bolt action, pump action, or single shot (lever action doesn't exist for 223 yet.)

I certainly respect your position, USMC. I remember a little bit ago that someone posted that he wanted to hunt deer with an AR just because he didn't think it was fun if you only had to shoot once, he wanted to really open up on the poor creatures. If you use 223 intending and able to make a successful one-shot kill, then I think we're pretty much in agreement. You might just kill me for saying I'm considering using a 375 H&H though.

USMC · 05-26-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

You might just kill me for saying I'm considering using a 375 H&H though.

I sometimes use a 300 Remington ultra mag on 125lb deer, Talk about over kill!

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Originally Posted by lefty o

like i said, i didnt post it to argue the facts, but a 22lr is perfectly capably of cleanly killing a large whitetail- with the right guy behind the trigger. thats not highly recommended either. on the other hand, if it is legal in your state to use a .223 on deer, and you feel confident on making a clean kill- go for it. the newbies should also be advised that in many states , the .223 is not legal to use for hunting big game animals.

I agree

lefty o · 05-26-2006, 12:06 PM

nothing wrong with overkill!

BattleRifleG3 · 05-26-2006, 12:09 PM

I wished I had carried my 300 RUM last year for whitetail deer. A few long shots came about, and that rifle is the one whose accuracy I was the most confident about. I have to say that's a beautiful rig there. What's the rifle/scope combo?

Thing about the 375 H&H is that it isn't a screamer, it's just a moderately speeded bullet that will punch a big hole with determination but not destroy tons of meat with a shockwave or tumbling.

USMC · 05-26-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

What's the rifle/scope combo?

The rifle is a rem 700 with a choate varmint stock and the scope is a Shepherd 3-10x scope with built in range finder. It is my absolute favorite scope. http://www.shepherdscopes.com/

05-25-2006, 10:58 PM	#1
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Ar-15 I'm looking into getting myself a ar-15 varmint style. For target pratice and also varmints and maybe even a deer . But i dont want to jsut buy a full build one there more then what i have some people build. So i was thinking about building myself one but i dont know if its the best idea. So what are your thoughts about this need input still thinking this or a normal bolt action.

05-25-2006, 11:52 PM	#4
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	i could be wrong, because i am not the biggest hunting buff in the world, but how effective is a well placed .223 on a deer __________________ Semper Fi

05-25-2006, 11:58 PM	#6
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	do you post a pic with all of your posts __________________ Semper Fi

05-26-2006, 09:16 AM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,429 Images: 13	In PA, you can use a 223, but no semi-autos for deer hunting. You'd have to use a bolt action, pump action, or single shot (lever action doesn't exist for 223 yet.) I certainly respect your position, USMC. I remember a little bit ago that someone posted that he wanted to hunt deer with an AR just because he didn't think it was fun if you only had to shoot once, he wanted to really open up on the poor creatures. If you use 223 intending and able to make a successful one-shot kill, then I think we're pretty much in agreement. You might just kill me for saying I'm considering using a 375 H&H though. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-26-2006, 12:09 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,429 Images: 13	I wished I had carried my 300 RUM last year for whitetail deer. A few long shots came about, and that rifle is the one whose accuracy I was the most confident about. I have to say that's a beautiful rig there. What's the rifle/scope combo? Thing about the 375 H&H is that it isn't a screamer, it's just a moderately speeded bullet that will punch a big hole with determination but not destroy tons of meat with a shockwave or tumbling. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-25-2006, 11:32 PM	#2
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	I hunt varmints, deer and target with this one! I'd buy a complete lower then the type of upper you want and then the optics. Thats how I built this. I bought one piece every few months! This one will shoot 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yds.

05-25-2006, 11:48 PM	#3
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Dude tahts what im looking to get that right there. Fine rifle i must say. See that is what i want right there the Varmint version. This is what i was looking at http://www.model1sales.com/catalog-l...ifle&storeid=1 24'' one. If im not mistaken thats the whole rifle right ? But how much was your rifle ? My pain problem is i dont have that many tools and i dont know if i would be able to build one from part to part unless i get more info and its easy as dirt to do then i will.

05-26-2006, 12:16 AM	#8
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,028	is the .223 capable of killing deer, yes. is it highly recommended, no. there is also a difference between how a 100# animal will react to it compared to a 200+# animal. not trying to start an argument ( as this has been argued a million times before), just food for thought.

05-26-2006, 01:11 AM	#10
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,028	like i said, i didnt post it to argue the facts, but a 22lr is perfectly capably of cleanly killing a large whitetail- with the right guy behind the trigger. thats not highly recommended either. on the other hand, if it is legal in your state to use a .223 on deer, and you feel confident on making a clean kill- go for it. the newbies should also be advised that in many states , the .223 is not legal to use for hunting big game animals.

05-26-2006, 12:06 PM	#13
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,028	nothing wrong with overkill!