Why so little Mausers.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 09:56 AM

It is strange. I thought I shot a well known make off rifle till I joined this forum. Over here in South Africa you will hardly find a hunting household without them.

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 10:40 AM

Bushkey,Back in the late 40s throughout the 50s,the Mauser was a popular hunting instrument in the United States.Then our commercial manufacturers came back online making American firearms.Milometer verses Caliber also didn't help with Americans being Caliber orientated.The Mauser was often canabalized for it's action by many.Early production Weatherby's used the Mauser action exclusively.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

The Mauser was often canabalized for it's action by many.Early production Weatherby's used the Mauser action exclusively.

That is one thing I have noticed, and not only on the Weatherby's. I have noticed them on a lot of other makes as well.

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 11:09 AM

In "My" opinion the 98 action was the best ever made for obveous reasons,even the step-down barrel on the Mauser was pure genius engineering.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

In "My" opinion the 98 action was the best ever made for obveous reasons,even the step-down barrel on the Mauser was pure genius engineering.

I have to agree. It is definitely a very strong action. I am not sure how it holds up with the newer type actions when it comes to accuracy. It's release(for lack of a better word) time must be slower than the newer actions. What is your feeling.

ArkansasHunter · 05-29-2007, 11:51 AM

Bushkey I've got a 1909...98 Mauser in 7.65 and I'd bet there are 1000's
tucked away in gun cabinets and safes here in the U.S...A.H

.22guy · 05-29-2007, 11:57 AM

Well, I have a 8MM Mauser Yugo 24/47 that I've used to blast rabbits and squirrels. Does that count?

I love it, by the way and wouldn't hestitate to use it for larger game, if I ever got around to doing that.

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushkey

I have to agree. It is definitely a very strong action. I am not sure how it holds up with the newer type actions when it comes to accuracy. It's release(for lack of a better word) time must be slower than the newer actions. What is your feeling.

I've seen blueprinted Mauser's that would go an par with the best rifles made,that would go for locking time also from trigger to primer.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 12:11 PM

I feel better now. I did a search a bit earlier to see what members had to say about their Mausers and I was surprised about the small amount of threads and posts regarding them.

samuel · 05-29-2007, 12:23 PM

The military Mauser action is very flexible making it hard to keep a scope lined up.It works fairly good when glass bedded but still doesnt come close to clones that have more closed surfaces and better heat treating and better metal.The cut in the frame for the stripper clip is one of the big weakness,es plus being too open on top.Altho I used several Mauser actions after heat treating for custom guns in my younger days with fair sucess there are better actions including Mauser,s action that is stronger than the military for about the same money.Most run about $300.to$500.A much better buy than buying a military Mauser and doing what it takes to make it work fairly good.And yes the lock time on a military Mauser is lousey,but with changes can be made to come close to modern actions. samuel.

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 12:55 PM

samuel,I must agree with you on the late War production lots of Mauser's being soft and flexible.But on pre War Mauser's I've found them rock hard,as hard as any Springfield produced.Actually having to brake the skin before I could drill and tap for mounts.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

But on pre War Mauser's I've found them rock hard,as hard as any Springfield produced.Actually having to brake the skin before I could drill and tap for mounts.

How do you know which is pre war and which not.

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushkey

How do you know which is pre war and which not.

I've had better more detailed links but lost them.
K98k manufacturer's codes - Waffenamt - 7,92 headstamp markings and lot numbers - P codes
Firearms and Uniforms of the Wehrmacht

samuel · 05-29-2007, 02:14 PM

Thanks joelee for a very informative post.As I recall the prewar K98 Mauser was a prized posession in the old days.I shouldnt have lumped all mausers togather but on the other hand getting ahold of a prewar might be difficult.I wasnt saying they shouldnt be used,I was just sugesting it might be advisable to look at other actions that virtually are ready to go than use old military actions of any type.On the other hand they work pretty good if you are careful about pressure.Argentine Mausers when over pressured have a habbit of sinking the lugs into the lock.I did that with a .22-250.Had I heattreated it and lapped the lock that might have been prevented. samuel.

Bushkey · 05-29-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

I've had better more detailed links but lost them.
K98k manufacturer's codes - Waffenamt - 7,92 headstamp markings and lot numbers - P codes
Firearms and Uniforms of the Wehrmacht

Thanks JoeLee.

I will study this but I am suspecting I may have a clone. I can also be wrong.

My rifle was assembled by a company called Musgrave. I have tried to research them to find out if they copied the Mauser action or if they reused old Mauser actions, but to no avail.

It seems you are very knowledgable regarding these actions. If I post a photo of my action will you have a look at it and tell me what you think it could be.

Bosman Kruger

maarten221 · 05-29-2007, 03:20 PM

Goeie dag Bosman,
I beleive that the Musgrave rifles are cloned and not refurbed. Musgrave made some fine rifles. I love them! What caliber is your rifle?
Groete
Maarten Venter

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushkey

Thanks JoeLee.

I will study this but I am suspecting I may have a clone. I can also be wrong.

My rifle was assembled by a company called Musgrave. I have tried to research them to find out if they copied the Mauser action or if they reused old Mauser actions, but to no avail.

It seems you are very knowledgable regarding these actions. If I post a photo of my action will you have a look at it and tell me what you think it could be.

Bosman Kruger

Don't count on me,you being a Gunman must find the last piece,of what seems to be an endless puzzle.Enjoy the World of Guns.

billy · 05-29-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by .22guy

Well, I have a 8MM Mauser Yugo 24/47 that I've used to blast rabbits and squirrels. Does that count?

I love it, by the way and wouldn't hestitate to use it for larger game, if I ever got around to doing that.

i got one too. took it out over the weekend with my enfield. me and my buddy had a coolness contest. best shot wins a milkshake...i lost and its MY gun

JoeLee · 05-29-2007, 07:48 PM

[quote=.22guy;308150]Well, I have a 8MM Mauser Yugo 24/47 that I've used to blast rabbits and squirrels. Does that count?

I take it you don't eat rabbit OR squirrel?

ezearln · 05-29-2007, 07:53 PM

Yew know years ago when I was young and foolish I really really wanted one of them 7X57 Mausers! Thing is now that I am supposedly older and wiser I still want one! Of course then again I also want me a 30/40 Krag. Just fun stuff to shoot and hunt with nothing fancy I spose!

05-29-2007, 09:56 AM	#1
Bushkey Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Africa Posts: 35	Why so little Mausers. It is strange. I thought I shot a well known make off rifle till I joined this forum. Over here in South Africa you will hardly find a hunting household without them.

05-29-2007, 07:53 PM	#20
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Yew know years ago when I was young and foolish I really really wanted one of them 7X57 Mausers! Thing is now that I am supposedly older and wiser I still want one! Of course then again I also want me a 30/40 Krag. Just fun stuff to shoot and hunt with nothing fancy I spose! __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

05-29-2007, 10:40 AM	#2
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	Bushkey,Back in the late 40s throughout the 50s,the Mauser was a popular hunting instrument in the United States.Then our commercial manufacturers came back online making American firearms.Milometer verses Caliber also didn't help with Americans being Caliber orientated.The Mauser was often canabalized for it's action by many.Early production Weatherby's used the Mauser action exclusively.

05-29-2007, 11:09 AM	#4
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	In "My" opinion the 98 action was the best ever made for obveous reasons,even the step-down barrel on the Mauser was pure genius engineering.

05-29-2007, 11:51 AM	#6
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,690	Bushkey I've got a 1909...98 Mauser in 7.65 and I'd bet there are 1000's tucked away in gun cabinets and safes here in the U.S...A.H

05-29-2007, 11:57 AM	#7
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,156	Well, I have a 8MM Mauser Yugo 24/47 that I've used to blast rabbits and squirrels. Does that count? I love it, by the way and wouldn't hestitate to use it for larger game, if I ever got around to doing that.

05-29-2007, 12:11 PM	#9
Bushkey Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Africa Posts: 35	I feel better now. I did a search a bit earlier to see what members had to say about their Mausers and I was surprised about the small amount of threads and posts regarding them.

05-29-2007, 12:23 PM	#10
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	The military Mauser action is very flexible making it hard to keep a scope lined up.It works fairly good when glass bedded but still doesnt come close to clones that have more closed surfaces and better heat treating and better metal.The cut in the frame for the stripper clip is one of the big weakness,es plus being too open on top.Altho I used several Mauser actions after heat treating for custom guns in my younger days with fair sucess there are better actions including Mauser,s action that is stronger than the military for about the same money.Most run about $300.to$500.A much better buy than buying a military Mauser and doing what it takes to make it work fairly good.And yes the lock time on a military Mauser is lousey,but with changes can be made to come close to modern actions. samuel.

05-29-2007, 12:55 PM	#11
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	samuel,I must agree with you on the late War production lots of Mauser's being soft and flexible.But on pre War Mauser's I've found them rock hard,as hard as any Springfield produced.Actually having to brake the skin before I could drill and tap for mounts.

05-29-2007, 02:14 PM	#14
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	Thanks joelee for a very informative post.As I recall the prewar K98 Mauser was a prized posession in the old days.I shouldnt have lumped all mausers togather but on the other hand getting ahold of a prewar might be difficult.I wasnt saying they shouldnt be used,I was just sugesting it might be advisable to look at other actions that virtually are ready to go than use old military actions of any type.On the other hand they work pretty good if you are careful about pressure.Argentine Mausers when over pressured have a habbit of sinking the lugs into the lock.I did that with a .22-250.Had I heattreated it and lapped the lock that might have been prevented. samuel.

05-29-2007, 03:20 PM	#16
maarten221 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 218	Goeie dag Bosman, I beleive that the Musgrave rifles are cloned and not refurbed. Musgrave made some fine rifles. I love them! What caliber is your rifle? Groete Maarten Venter

05-29-2007, 07:48 PM	#19
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	[quote=.22guy;308150]Well, I have a 8MM Mauser Yugo 24/47 that I've used to blast rabbits and squirrels. Does that count? I take it you don't eat rabbit OR squirrel?