Which .223 military rifle do I want? If thats what I'm looking for...

marker227 · 09-04-2007, 02:13 PM

There are sooo many of them and I can't choose which one I want.

Here is what I want.... Absolutely no recoil, semi-auto, must be lefty accessible.

I want a good gun that I can shoot on the range for a long time without worrying about the recoil. I think that .223 is a great caliber (haven't shot one) and it's really cheap.

I shot a .308 battle rifle semi-auto and it had the best recoil I've experienced with that big of a caliber. I think it was because it was gas operated and thats what made the recoil so light.

I think that the Savage Model 11 Accutrigger I have is an awful gun for me to learn on because it's startling and it hurts when you shoot for a while. It's also very expensive in ammo.

My other gun is a Mauser K98 and that's hard to learn on as well because of the strong recoil.

Most likely (and I think you would agree) that I should learn on iron sights before I go crazy and get all sorts of optics.

I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Maybe I just need a .22 semi? I think that maybe it'd be easier for me to learn on semi.

Not that this really matters, but I really like the look of the panther grip.

I want to get back into this hobby of shooting, but I want to start off on the right foot with the right equipment.

Any info would be grately appreciated!

toolman · 09-04-2007, 06:08 PM

A good .22 such as a Ruger 10-22 or Marlin 60 will allow much more trigger time than any other center-fire out there. They are great for teaching breathing, trigger control, and sight picture due to the lack of recoil. The only drawback for you would be the right-hand ejection. To my knowledge there aren't any left-hand semi-auto rimfires made at this time, but I could be mistaken. There are a couple of left-hand versions of the AR-15 that would be good as well. Look at Welcome to Stag Arms Official Home Page

SilverRun · 09-04-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by toolman

A good .22 such as a Ruger 10-22 or Marlin 60 will allow much more trigger time than any other center-fire out there. They are great for teaching breathing, trigger control, and sight picture due to the lack of recoil. The only drawback for you would be the right-hand ejection. To my knowledge there aren't any left-hand semi-auto rimfires made at this time, but I could be mistaken. There are a couple of left-hand versions of the AR-15 that would be good as well. Look at Welcome to Stag Arms Official Home Page

Yea, everything he said. My buddy has one of the stag left handers and really likes it.

marker227 · 09-04-2007, 08:05 PM

What makes them so expensive?

SilverRun · 09-04-2007, 08:19 PM

They charge so much for AR's because they can. Supply and demand. You can save a little by buying a complete upper and putting the lower together yourself. Saves money and it's fun - can't find a downside. If you have any mechanical aptitude, you can do it. Several web sites have step by step instructions. But, get the complete upper - don't try to put it together - not worth it.

The Ruger 10/22's are still fairly reasonable price wise - for now.

marker227 · 09-04-2007, 09:03 PM

That's good to know.

I can't buy those pre-ban guns. Fine print says NJ doesn't allow them.

Jesse · 09-12-2007, 07:01 PM

I reccomend the .223 AK47. I just finished a training session with two models: a Norinco full size and a custom AK-102 built on a Saiga reciever. They are AWESOME performers. Legit 300 yard carbines with no recoil.

A nice .223 AK build looks like this:

lefty o · 09-12-2007, 08:40 PM

buy a good quality bolt action 22lr. as far as centerfire semi auto's are concerned, as long as it is not a bullpup configuration, just about every one made is left handed friendly.

BattleRifleG3 · 09-12-2007, 09:41 PM

The AK variants in 223 are suprisingly mild recoiling and tend to be more accurate then their 7.62x39mm counterparts. Saigas and customizations thereof are my recommendation.

ruger22com · 09-15-2007, 12:16 AM

I just got a new Stag 15-L with carry handle (the one at the top of the screen below) left handed and I love it (after a little breakfree clp on the bolt and carrier of course)!

Lefty Rifles

marker227 · 12-31-2007, 10:57 AM

How low is the recoil on a Stag 15-L? I can't determine which rifle I'm going to like as my main one. There are too many

. Carbines, and ar15's and so on :P.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/admi...ptr91k2006.jpg

I shot something very similar to this, but it had a wooden stock. .308 battle rifle. NO recoil at all. It was amazing

.

.22guy · 12-31-2007, 11:25 AM

The recoil on that shouldn't be too bad. Same as any other AR, I would think.

sunray · 01-01-2008, 01:11 AM

"...Absolutely no recoil..." Physics won't allow that. Mind you, there isn't much felt recoil with any .223.
"...the Savage Model 11..." It comes in .223. Weighs 6.5 pounds. It'd do nicely. Have a look at the Savage Model 10GXP3(one of their package rifles) too. Barrels a bit heavier and comes with a scope(not a great one, but it'll do to start with). A 10XP is the same rifle with a camouflaged stock and steel. More money though.
"...because it was gas operated..." Yep. A semi-auto .308 battle rifle tends to be heavier than a bolt action .308 too. That absorbs felt recoil too. So does the design and shape of the stock.
"...easier for me to learn on..." A .22 will cost you a whole bunch less to shoot too. You will have to try as many brands of ammo as you can to find the ammo any semi-auto .22 will both shoot well and cycle the action. It's just the way .22's are. The cost of said ammo doesn't matter either.

marker227 · 01-02-2008, 06:50 AM

I'm definitely going with a .22 first to learn the basics, but I'm sort of anxious to get a .223 rifle. They are so customizable and nice looking. There are too many to get though

.

I don't think I'm anywhere near knowledgeable to be able to tell the difference in ammo when I shoot.

I wish my Savage were gas operated...It kills your shoulder in .308, especially with the super sniper stock.

utahvarminter · 01-02-2008, 01:54 PM

Stag and Lewis Machine and Tool are made by CMMG and LMT - the choice manufacturers for Military Reconstructs. Go Stag - they make lefty AR's.

However, if you wanna spend $1400, get the MagPul Masada that's comming out the first quarter of this year - look for it around April.

++ MAGPUL INDUSTRIES ++

Worth every penny

marker227 · 01-02-2008, 02:08 PM

Can someone tell me why everyone loves the AR's?

What's so unique about their design?

I know they are good, but I don't know why :P.

utahvarminter · 01-02-2008, 02:17 PM

It's a proven design, 50+ years of reliability has to speak for something.

GlockMeister · 01-02-2008, 03:50 PM

The only true lefty your going to find in .223 is made by Stag Arms.

Rifles

I bought the Stag 15L model 1L pre-ban and love it. Oh and you can get a post ban from them also, for those states that are, well,you know.

G_Meister

marker227 · 01-04-2008, 10:29 PM

NJ doesn't allow pre-ban..

Whats so different about pre-ban models anyway?

damage855 · 01-04-2008, 10:39 PM

Pre ban is mainly a term used to sell guns now. The clinton gun ban has droped so now all guns are "pre ban" with the exception of states that adopted laws simulair to the ban and continue to inforce them. basicly things like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and other things that make it an "evil assault rifle"

09-04-2007, 02:13 PM	#1
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	Which .223 military rifle do I want? If thats what I'm looking for... There are sooo many of them and I can't choose which one I want. Here is what I want.... Absolutely no recoil, semi-auto, must be lefty accessible. I want a good gun that I can shoot on the range for a long time without worrying about the recoil. I think that .223 is a great caliber (haven't shot one) and it's really cheap. I shot a .308 battle rifle semi-auto and it had the best recoil I've experienced with that big of a caliber. I think it was because it was gas operated and thats what made the recoil so light. I think that the Savage Model 11 Accutrigger I have is an awful gun for me to learn on because it's startling and it hurts when you shoot for a while. It's also very expensive in ammo. My other gun is a Mauser K98 and that's hard to learn on as well because of the strong recoil. Most likely (and I think you would agree) that I should learn on iron sights before I go crazy and get all sorts of optics. I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Maybe I just need a .22 semi? I think that maybe it'd be easier for me to learn on semi. Not that this really matters, but I really like the look of the panther grip. I want to get back into this hobby of shooting, but I want to start off on the right foot with the right equipment. Any info would be grately appreciated! Last edited by marker227; 09-04-2007 at 02:20 PM.

09-04-2007, 06:08 PM	#2
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	A good .22 such as a Ruger 10-22 or Marlin 60 will allow much more trigger time than any other center-fire out there. They are great for teaching breathing, trigger control, and sight picture due to the lack of recoil. The only drawback for you would be the right-hand ejection. To my knowledge there aren't any left-hand semi-auto rimfires made at this time, but I could be mistaken. There are a couple of left-hand versions of the AR-15 that would be good as well. Look at Welcome to Stag Arms Official Home Page __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

09-12-2007, 07:01 PM	#7
Jesse Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,945 Images: 2	I reccomend the .223 AK47. I just finished a training session with two models: a Norinco full size and a custom AK-102 built on a Saiga reciever. They are AWESOME performers. Legit 300 yard carbines with no recoil. A nice .223 AK build looks like this: __________________ Jesse www.gunandgame.com

09-12-2007, 09:41 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	The AK variants in 223 are suprisingly mild recoiling and tend to be more accurate then their 7.62x39mm counterparts. Saigas and customizations thereof are my recommendation. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-15-2007, 12:16 AM	#10
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 723	I just got a new Stag 15-L with carry handle (the one at the top of the screen below) left handed and I love it (after a little breakfree clp on the bolt and carrier of course)! Lefty Rifles __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty!

09-04-2007, 08:05 PM	#4
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	What makes them so expensive?

09-04-2007, 08:19 PM	#5
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	They charge so much for AR's because they can. Supply and demand. You can save a little by buying a complete upper and putting the lower together yourself. Saves money and it's fun - can't find a downside. If you have any mechanical aptitude, you can do it. Several web sites have step by step instructions. But, get the complete upper - don't try to put it together - not worth it. The Ruger 10/22's are still fairly reasonable price wise - for now.

09-04-2007, 09:03 PM	#6
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	That's good to know. I can't buy those pre-ban guns. Fine print says NJ doesn't allow them.

09-12-2007, 08:40 PM	#8
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,807	buy a good quality bolt action 22lr. as far as centerfire semi auto's are concerned, as long as it is not a bullpup configuration, just about every one made is left handed friendly.

12-31-2007, 10:57 AM	#11
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	How low is the recoil on a Stag 15-L? I can't determine which rifle I'm going to like as my main one. There are too many . Carbines, and ar15's and so on :P. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/admi...ptr91k2006.jpg I shot something very similar to this, but it had a wooden stock. .308 battle rifle. NO recoil at all. It was amazing . Last edited by marker227; 12-31-2007 at 11:01 AM.

12-31-2007, 11:25 AM	#12
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,158	The recoil on that shouldn't be too bad. Same as any other AR, I would think. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

01-01-2008, 01:11 AM	#13
sunray Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 98	"...Absolutely no recoil..." Physics won't allow that. Mind you, there isn't much felt recoil with any .223. "...the Savage Model 11..." It comes in .223. Weighs 6.5 pounds. It'd do nicely. Have a look at the Savage Model 10GXP3(one of their package rifles) too. Barrels a bit heavier and comes with a scope(not a great one, but it'll do to start with). A 10XP is the same rifle with a camouflaged stock and steel. More money though. "...because it was gas operated..." Yep. A semi-auto .308 battle rifle tends to be heavier than a bolt action .308 too. That absorbs felt recoil too. So does the design and shape of the stock. "...easier for me to learn on..." A .22 will cost you a whole bunch less to shoot too. You will have to try as many brands of ammo as you can to find the ammo any semi-auto .22 will both shoot well and cycle the action. It's just the way .22's are. The cost of said ammo doesn't matter either.

01-02-2008, 06:50 AM	#14
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	I'm definitely going with a .22 first to learn the basics, but I'm sort of anxious to get a .223 rifle. They are so customizable and nice looking. There are too many to get though . I don't think I'm anywhere near knowledgeable to be able to tell the difference in ammo when I shoot. I wish my Savage were gas operated...It kills your shoulder in .308, especially with the super sniper stock. Last edited by marker227; 01-02-2008 at 06:53 AM.

01-02-2008, 01:54 PM	#15
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	Stag and Lewis Machine and Tool are made by CMMG and LMT - the choice manufacturers for Military Reconstructs. Go Stag - they make lefty AR's. However, if you wanna spend $1400, get the MagPul Masada that's comming out the first quarter of this year - look for it around April. ++ MAGPUL INDUSTRIES ++ Worth every penny __________________ My Photo Album

01-02-2008, 02:08 PM	#16
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	Can someone tell me why everyone loves the AR's? What's so unique about their design? I know they are good, but I don't know why :P.

01-02-2008, 02:17 PM	#17
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	It's a proven design, 50+ years of reliability has to speak for something. __________________ My Photo Album

01-02-2008, 03:50 PM	#18
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,504	The only true lefty your going to find in .223 is made by Stag Arms. Rifles I bought the Stag 15L model 1L pre-ban and love it. Oh and you can get a post ban from them also, for those states that are, well,you know. G_Meister Last edited by GlockMeister; 01-02-2008 at 03:52 PM.

01-04-2008, 10:29 PM	#19
marker227 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 114	NJ doesn't allow pre-ban.. Whats so different about pre-ban models anyway?

01-04-2008, 10:39 PM	#20
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 931 Blog Entries: 1	Pre ban is mainly a term used to sell guns now. The clinton gun ban has droped so now all guns are "pre ban" with the exception of states that adopted laws simulair to the ban and continue to inforce them. basicly things like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and other things that make it an "evil assault rifle" __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?