12-05-2007, 08:02 PM
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| Senior Member  | tippmann7: Better=problematic Suffice it to say all guns are compromises I'll offer my take .22 cheapest to shoot  .17 flattest shooting of them all Now which would I have. When I first got my .22 the 17hmr wasn't available. So now the .17hmr is in my immediate future. Mine will be in a Ruger Single Six with the 6 1/2 barrel 'blue' Research the 17hmr or go to RimFireCentral. Those folks are all over Rimfires. The 17hmr will do the job on the critters mentioned
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12-05-2007, 09:03 PM
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| Member  | I love my Ruger 10/22 Its got A Bell and Carlson Stock and a Whistle Pig Barrel and I can shoot 3/4 inch groups at 100 wards, plus is very cheap to shoot and have killed crows out to 140 yards. my cousin has a 17 HMR not sure what it is. and it cant even shoot 3/4 inch groups at 50 yards, me and him have been crow hunting before and I have made further shots than him with my 22. And his is ridiculosly overpriced ammo |
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12-05-2007, 09:09 PM
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| Senior Member   | I'm looking at this from a different point of view. Most people I know who shoot & love, or hate .17's cut thier teeth on .22's I guess if a person has owned neither, a .22 may be more enjoyable as it's cheaper to shoot. After owning .22's mst of my life, I could find room for both in the cabinet. I guestimate billions of critters world wide have fallen to the .22. Wat to do it a little further out with a bit of pizzaz, .17. |
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12-05-2007, 09:24 PM
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| Senior Member  | I don't dislike the .17 as I've never owned one or never even fired one. For me, most squirrel hunting is usually around 25 yards or so and well within the range of an average .22. It doesn't have to be a Cooper, Kimber or any other highly-touted .22 bolt action. An old Winchester model-62 pump or even the Taurus and Rossi copies would do fine, as would the Ruger 10/22, Marlin-60 and a host of others. Being retired, I sometimes have to count the pennies and it boils down to the .22 ammo being a lot more reasonable then the .17 stuff. If you have a legitimate need for a .17, just get it. At this point in life I doubt if I'll ever buy any other caliber but a .22. |
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12-05-2007, 09:39 PM
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| Senior Member | The 17 mach 2 is my favorite rifle for open woods squirrel hunting.Shots in the 40 to 80 yard range are not un-common with the hm2 but in IMO tricky with the rainbow trajectory of the .22.I own 2 identical rifles,one in .22 and one in hm2,and the hm2 flat outshoots the.22 at all ranges.I head shot a ground hog last year with the mach 2 and he never new what hit him.Some people think it is too hyper of a round for squirrel size game but I honestly don't believe it is any more destructive than a 36 grain CCI hollow point. It cost more to shoot it but I will gladly pay the difference for the longer range performance it delivers. |
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12-05-2007, 10:45 PM
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| Senior Member | .22 the .17 gets a lot of press but you should note it is a smaller diameter bullet travelling at greater speed thus not always imparting total energy to the target. even with a squirrel you want put down energy. |
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12-05-2007, 11:21 PM
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| Senior Member | Nathangdad please rest assured that the 17 mach 2 has more than adequate power to kill squirrels.A squirrel has a brain about the size of a hulled walnut and a ribcage kill the size of an egg.The 17 grain bullet is devastating to either. |
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12-05-2007, 11:26 PM
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| Senior Member  | .22 gets my vote. I had a 17 HMR, it was OK, but I didn't just fall in love with it. It was a good little rifle - so as the wind wasn't blowing. My next rim-fire will be a .22 mag bull barrel bolt action - probably a Savage. Of course I already have a pile of .22lr rifles - if you don't have a .22 lr, start there. A 10/22 is a good choice to start with. Marlin Model 60's aren't bad for the money either. Be sure to check out the price of the ammo as well - I think you will find the .22lr much more appealing. Good Luck and welcome to the site. |
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12-06-2007, 12:22 AM
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| Senior Member  | Never in my life have I ever heard of a squrriel needing bullet energy to be killed. The reason I like my .17 is that it has a more predictable trajectory. But the others are right when they say that a 22 is far more economical to shoot. |
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12-06-2007, 06:46 PM
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| Senior Member  | I have a CZ 22 and a savage 17 hmr. My CZ is quite accurate out to about 100 yards. After that you have to start fooling around to get your tragectory right. The 17 comes in after this 100 yard mark. The disadvantages with the 17 is that for one the ammo costs almost five times as much so u can afford to miss a couple times with a 22 and iv never hunted squrils to keep the meat or hide but the 17 would just blow a squirle to peices. At my house we shoot them all the time to keep them from making a mess and the 17 can turn them inside out. A 22 will easily kill them but it will not blow them inside out either. A 17 is a long range varmit gun so if your doing shooting at close range the 22 is a way better choice. |
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12-06-2007, 09:21 PM
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| Senior Member | The .17 gives us a reason to get another gun for the collection. Like I said, I like the .22 because it's practical and the price of ammo is right. I never went with the .22 Magnum for the same reason. Check the price of ammo for the .17, .22 and .22 Magnum and that's where I am. |
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12-06-2007, 09:41 PM
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| Senior Member | I like my 17 for the most part just when the winds blowing its hard to hit those little gophers way out there. The farthest one iv touched so far was agout 180yards but the one day i was out with it was in the spring an yes the wind was blowing so you would have to waste bullets trying to compensate for wind drift. |
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12-06-2007, 09:57 PM
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12-07-2007, 05:11 AM
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| Senior Member | dang bigbuddy21: dang; sorry about your experiences with rim fire central. Each of the different 'makes' have responded to my query's sometimes not in "my" timely manner. Do not leave stones unturned; I read a lot, come and go as I please, Mostly for good information. Visit any site for information 17hmr @+1800fsp slamming into anything will impart significant wound damages. @ 150yds traveling @ greater than 1600fps damage is greater than .22 17hmr=highly superior rim fire round down side= price per shot and wind
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01-03-2008, 08:40 PM
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| Registered User | I am also wondering if I want a 22 or a .17 after reading this I am still confused a little as I don't know yet what I want to get. Correct me if I am wrong but the 17 has less drop then the 22 right? What is the drop at 100 yards? How loud is a 17 compared to the 22? Is the HMR the only way to go if you get the 17? What for grain to the 17 bullets have? |
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01-03-2008, 10:29 PM
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| Senior Member | Nathangdad better explains his post I agree the .17 can really kill a squirrel. I was thinking more along the lines of shooting through a squirrel in at a point that would not immediately incapacitate a squirrel. Anyway, I am a .22 fan on this question as I believe price of ammunition, quality of guns, and quality of optics out there plus history of successful squirrel hunting make it the overall better choice. |
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01-03-2008, 10:46 PM
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01-03-2008, 10:57 PM
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| Senior Member  | My plinker was in 17HMR, bought about 2 yrs. ago. I bought the Taurus Tracker in .17HMR 6" barrel stainless finish and added the Taurus scope mount. Currently has a BSA 30mm reddot but soon to have an NC Star D4B 4 reticle sight. Fist decide, hand gun or rifle, then decide .17HMR,.17 MachII or .22. As mentioned, .22 the cheapest. The .17 on average is about $10.99 a box of 50. S&W also makes a good .17 handgun. The Taurus. As for rifles, don't they all pretty much make them in that caliber now? Matter of brand preference then. I guess ask yourself how far out will you be varmenting? Handgun out to 100 yards easy with a good scope. Any farther out then that, go with the rifle. One last thing, the fps for .17HMR is 2350, so if that helps you decide? lol Probably not though. G-Meister |
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