07-10-2009, 11:16 PM
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#21 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Just got the pm. Very well then, carry on.
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07-11-2009, 01:26 PM
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#22 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Soooo......I guess I should keep my .204? Yes No Maybe ????
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07-11-2009, 03:07 PM
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#23 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by rdale501  | Soooo......I guess I should keep my .204? Yes No Maybe ???? | Both of mine work well (Bushy with custom barrel and Rem.M700 with custom barrel.Both 26".Both 1in12" twist.I would like to try a faster twist and heavier bullets.They hang in at about 1/2"and under groups but 40gr bullets have about a 500yd+ cutoff.I have taken coyote at that range with no problem,just would like to try heavier bullets. ,,,sam.
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07-11-2009, 05:47 PM
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#24 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I don't see the .204 Ruger becoming the .225 Winchester of this generation. I have heard from too many people who ran out and bought one and this cartridge has gotten good promotion from magazines and internet stories. I think the .204 is a safe bet and will only increase in popularity.
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07-11-2009, 08:31 PM
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#25 | | Firearm Zealot
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I am not sure this is a good comparison. I think the 204 and the 22-250 are closer in ballistics. The 223 is a slower round the gun will last longer then that two aforementioned.
When I was looking for a pdog upgrade gun for coffees shoot (that I never went on  ) I compared the 204 to the 220 Swift to the 22-250 and decided on the 22-250 simply because of the newness of the 204, but all the 204 users offered good reviews. I already have a couple 223's that cartridge will still be around in 100 years and is probably in the top 5 carts produced world wide.
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12-09-2009, 12:36 PM
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#26 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I thought the only selling point for the .204 was that it reached over 4000FPS right from the factory?
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12-09-2009, 03:46 PM
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#27 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Ferroflame | I thought the only selling point for the .204 was that it reached over 4000FPS right from the factory? | I believe hornady has a factory 4k fps load for the 22-250 as well.
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12-09-2009, 05:44 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Zealot
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I pushed 40gr vmax past 4100fps and once loaded 35gr vmax close to 4400fps in .22-250 but had accuracy problems.Today I load the 40gr to 3850 the same as I do the 40gr .204.Both are accurate and make 500yds+ in good shape.Factory specs on the .204 are 3900fps for the 40gr.The 32gr is 4225fps but a real dud beyond 400yds and not as accurate as the 40gr at any range.These are 1in12"twist in both cal,s.A .223rem could reach as far with heavier bullets and faster twist.I have a .22-250 in 1in8twist that will handle Sierra 60gr varminter or 65gr gameking real good out to 700yds.That is as far as I tried them.Never killed a coyote at 700yds but believe I could.Both bullets work great at shorter ranges. ,,,sam.
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12-09-2009, 06:49 PM
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#29 | | Firearm Aficionado
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With the bore to case capacity won't the 204 be eating barrels?
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12-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by MLN1963 | With the bore to case capacity won't the 204 be eating barrels? | Not as bad as the .22-250 with about 10 more grains of powder. ,,,sam.
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12-09-2009, 11:01 PM
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#31 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I decode that as a yes, but there or greater offenders.
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12-09-2009, 11:45 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by nathangdad | ballistically but in performance marketwise. As a newer cartridge in a very overcrowded marketplace it faces a risk of demand loss.
If you go with a .204 having some reloading equipment and a good supply of brass and bullets is a thing to consider.
If you have some gun magazines from four or five years ago you will undoubedly find a few highly regarded new cartridges that, for practical purposes, are just not with us anymore.
Personally, as I am conservative in this matter, I would go with the .223. | I'm with ya on that. Frankly, the popular rounds will last longer...and be more readily available.
Before buying an oddball caliber, go into your local gun stores and find out if they stock a fair amount of it on hand...if not, avoid it like the plague, because you WILL get frustrated.
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12-10-2009, 05:07 AM
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#33 | | Firearm Zealot
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At that rate I should never buy any 6.5mm because most stores don't stock ammo.Some don't carry any .33/.35 cal.Guess you can't buy those cal guns. ,,,sam.
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12-10-2009, 07:53 AM
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#34 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by samuel | At that rate I should never buy any 6.5mm | What kind of 6.5, classic Swede or French or the newer Grendle type?
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12-11-2009, 03:31 PM
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#35 | | Firearm Zealot
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.223 in 62 -69 gr range.
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12-12-2009, 09:43 PM
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#36 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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.204 good for chucks and yotes
.223 good for yotes and deer.
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12-12-2009, 11:15 PM
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#37 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by zxpilot | .204 good for chucks and yotes
.223 good for yotes and deer. | A 40gr vmax bullet in a .204 has 824ft lbs at 200yds.A 55gr gameking in .223 has 670ft lbs at the same range.Argumentavly,neither is qualified for deer but the .204 seems to have considerable advantage.If it had a faster twist and could handle 55gr bullets,it would be way beyond the .223.If you could get 3700fps out of a 55gr bullet and it seems like you could,the energy at 200yds would be over 1100ft lbs from a .204. ,,,sam.
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12-13-2009, 07:43 AM
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#38 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by samuel | A 40gr vmax bullet in a .204 has 824ft lbs at 200yds.A 55gr gameking in .223 has 670ft lbs at the same range.Argumentavly,neither is qualified for deer but the .204 seems to have considerable advantage.If it had a faster twist and could handle 55gr bullets,it would be way beyond the .223.If you could get 3700fps out of a 55gr bullet and it seems like you could,the energy at 200yds would be over 1100ft lbs from a .204. ,,,sam. |
If, only if, but it doesnt.
So well go with what we have. a 40 gr Vmax is an explosive varmint bullet,
a 60gr partition and a 55 gr Barnes X are deer bullets.
I'll say it again
.204 is a chuck and yote gun
.223 is a chuck yote and deer rifle.
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12-13-2009, 08:54 AM
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#39 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by zxpilot | If, only if, but it doesnt.
So well go with what we have. a 40 gr Vmax is an explosive varmint bullet,
a 60gr partition and a 55 gr Barnes X are deer bullets.
I'll say it again
.204 is a chuck and yote gun
.223 is a chuck yote and deer rifle. | Have you ever heard of .204 custom barrels with 1in8" twist and some of the 50/55gr bullets available now?I am sure if I wanted to I could set a .204 up that would be 15/20% more efficient than any setup you could make with a .223 for deer.As I said,I am not reccomending either for deer. ,,,sam.
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12-13-2009, 12:31 PM
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#40 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Here we go again, "IF"
.204 loaded with 50 gr can be pushed to 3350
.223 loaded with 50 gr can be pushed to 3540
.204 cant hang.
and thats "if " you build a .204 to a 1-8 twist.
.204 is a chuck and yote gun
.223 is a yote and deer gun
just admit it
since were on "if"
what if I go .223 wssm.
.204 will be spanked like a red headed step child
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