Buying a Hi Point Carbine Tomorrow...

mattmacklind · 12-21-2007, 08:21 PM

I was going to buy a new pistol, then I thought well, maybe I should buy a rifle as I'm pretty much pistol'd up right now. Thought about a Marlin 22, but then I thought how about a High Point? I found one in my area for $169, and figured another $60 for the stock replacement as I find the carbine to be the absolute truth in ugliness.

Anyway, here's my issue, and it has nothing to do with me buying one or not. At some point, does a gun become too inexpensive? Most gun owners, like ourselves, are responsible people, people who respect guns and what they are, what they can do and what they can do in the wrong hands.

I was browsing in a major gun store in my area with a huge inventory last summer. I was just looking at the guns, there were some good deals and some beautiful Savage rifles which I thought were as cheap as you could get, until I saw the Hi Point selection. the pistols were all in the $200 range.

I was admittedly alarmed. Many were new and I was just shocked that a new firearm could be purchased for that price. It seems to me there was a similar discussion about Taurus handguns some years ago, but even Taurus handguns are more expensive used than many new Hi Point products.

If a company can cut operating costs and R&D enough to produce a product and price it competetively, especially if its made in the US, I think thats great, but I've always though that the cost of guns more than legislation deterred criminal minds from getting them.

Now, I'm not a gun snob. I don't want this thread to become a discussion about that alone. I acknowledge that most people who buy guns in a store are legit anyway. But, there are a lot of legit people with less than legit connections.

I want to make my issue known in a diplomatic way without offending, but I do want to hear other opinions on the matter. I've been reading reviews of Hi Point products lately (which are by and large positive), and I've seen discussion over the sale-to-street time for an HP product being faster than any other maker.

It makes sense in some respects. A lower entry cost, coupled with depreciation or even mild appreciation means an informal resale may be quicker.

I'm not saying there is anything irresponsible on behalf of HP. I did want to hear some discussion on the matter, though.

Thanks

Big Dog · 12-22-2007, 06:16 AM

It depends a lot on the shop. Here in my local gun/pawn, they have the High-Point pistols starting at $250 and going up! They sell so well, the shop bumped the price up, and still sells them!
Years ago, Rugers and Taurus guns were all dirt cheap - good quality for a good price. Then, as folks realised they were good quality - the price rose commensurately.
In time, H-P will rise too.
The H-P Carbine is still a very good buy! The ONLY advantage the Beretta has over it is magazine capacity.
Add the ATI stock, the ugly duckling begins to even look like the Beretta! And for what, a third the price!? The savings will buy mucho ammo.

I have the 9mm Carbine, and love it. Me and my buddy are eagerly awaiting the much-ballyhooed and as yet absent .45ACP version!

Windwalker · 12-22-2007, 07:30 AM

For a lot of retired seniors Hi-Point has made a weapon that they can afford to buy for home protection.

troylaplante · 12-22-2007, 08:43 AM

I personally do not prefer to replace the stock on my Hi-Point. I actually prefer to have a Planet of the Apes looking gun.

DWARREN123 · 12-22-2007, 10:03 AM

A lot people have Hi-Points and say they are ugly but go boom on every trigger pull. My 40 S&W carbine is pretty accurate, I just do not like the stock wrist, too weak in my opinion.

billy · 12-22-2007, 10:34 AM

they are cheap and ugly AND THEY WORK.

ArkansasHunter · 12-22-2007, 11:02 AM

Hi-Point pistols in my area start at $ 134.00...I almost bought a new 9mm the 2 weeks ago for that price...A.H

NRAJOE · 12-22-2007, 11:15 AM

I paid $150 otd for my New C9:

Paid $150 otd for a barely used 995 carbine:

Got the ATI replacement stock coming for it and a 40mm TruGlo red dot for it...

Snicker, snicker, guffaw...

ArkansasHunter · 12-22-2007, 11:20 AM

Thats the model I almost bought at my friends Pawn and Gun shop !
He only puts a 20 dollar mark up on most guns he sells so cost may be around 112 bucks.

NRAJOE · 12-22-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Thats the model I almost bought at my friends Pawn and Gun shop !
He only puts a 20 dollar mark up on most guns he sells so cost may be around 112 bucks.

So what the hell ya waiting for!?

LiveToShoot · 12-22-2007, 11:34 AM

Each time I'm in a sporting goods store I take a look at the Hi-Point carbines. I look forward to the release of the 45 ACP.

AH, It sure would be nice to have a local pawn shop offer that low of a mark up on firearms. Of course, my wife would then try to hide my wallet.

troylaplante · 12-22-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Paid $150 otd for a barely used 995 carbine

I paid $50 less for the same thing and also got 50 rounds of ammo thrown in on top of it.

NRAJOE · 12-22-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troylaplante

I paid $50 less for the same thing and also got 50 rounds of ammo thrown in on top of it.

Did yours have the comp/laser/2 xtra mags/buttpouch setup like mine?

If so you did REAL good.....

roadie · 12-22-2007, 12:15 PM

Personally , I eally like the hi-point handguns. I have a CF380 and am getting a 45 soon. They're grrrrreat! They take abuse, are pretty accurate and cheap. Sure they're ugly and heavy, but who cares. I got mine on auctionarms.com for $60 not including fees, can't beat that price anywhere. The carbines are kinda pointless I think. You can get a good sks or an AK for about $100 more and have a much better rifle. But to each their own. Either way, grab yourself a hp pistol, you'll love it.

maasyoak · 05-20-2008, 03:10 PM

I have the H P 40 carbine and even though it looks like a P O T A gun it shoots and shoots good.

NRAJOE · 05-20-2008, 03:13 PM

Keeping the carbine...selling the C9 today.

HARDERTR · 05-20-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattmacklind

Anyway, here's my issue, and it has nothing to do with me buying one or not. At some point, does a gun become too inexpensive? Most gun owners, like ourselves, are responsible people, people who respect guns and what they are, what they can do and what they can do in the wrong hands.

If a company can cut operating costs and R&D enough to produce a product and price it competetively, especially if its made in the US, I think thats great, but I've always though that the cost of guns more than legislation deterred criminal minds from getting them.

Now, I'm not a gun snob. I don't want this thread to become a discussion about that alone. I acknowledge that most people who buy guns in a store are legit anyway. But, there are a lot of legit people with less than legit connections.

The PRICE of guns isn't what keeps criminals from getting them. For them, a gun is as easy to get as breaking into a house. OR... some of the best "bargains" on (stolen) guns can be found in a back alley. Crooks don't buy hi-points from a shop, because the much-hated background checks deter much of that.

What i DO hate seeing is folks buying High Points because they are cheap. Don't get me wrong, I own the 40 carbine and 2 pistols, Hi Points have their place.....but it's not in the hands of someone who knows nothing about guns and wouldn't have bought one if it weren't for the price.

Guns can't get TOO cheap, but gunshop owners can get TOO leanient when it comes to suggesting which gun to buy for folks that obviously don't respect guns to begin with.

rondog · 05-20-2008, 04:21 PM

I prefer 1911's, but I've been picking up tons of used .40 and 9mm brass at various ranges, and I'm seriously thinking about nabbing a couple of HP carbines to use the reloaded brass in. Just fun guns for plinking around with the grandson, not for hunting or self defense.

Rex in OTZ · 05-21-2008, 06:04 PM

High point uses allot of the proven processes utilized by the auto industry, that was they can keep production costs low as they do, allot of folks dont care for the materials used but they work and hold together and some folks like the cost.
it puts firearms into the grasp of honist folks who dont have allot of scratch to spread around

Windwalker · 05-21-2008, 09:10 PM

Matt, criminals generally steal the guns they carry or buy them from other criminals who had stolen them. No criminal is going to buy and register a gun in his name regardless of price because if it was dropped at the scene of a crime it would lead the cops to him.

Thank God that Hi Point has kept their prices down where Seniors on a fixed income can still protect their family.

I also am waiting for the .45 Carbine to come out.

12-21-2007, 08:21 PM	#1
mattmacklind Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	Buying a Hi Point Carbine Tomorrow... I was going to buy a new pistol, then I thought well, maybe I should buy a rifle as I'm pretty much pistol'd up right now. Thought about a Marlin 22, but then I thought how about a High Point? I found one in my area for $169, and figured another $60 for the stock replacement as I find the carbine to be the absolute truth in ugliness. Anyway, here's my issue, and it has nothing to do with me buying one or not. At some point, does a gun become too inexpensive? Most gun owners, like ourselves, are responsible people, people who respect guns and what they are, what they can do and what they can do in the wrong hands. I was browsing in a major gun store in my area with a huge inventory last summer. I was just looking at the guns, there were some good deals and some beautiful Savage rifles which I thought were as cheap as you could get, until I saw the Hi Point selection. the pistols were all in the $200 range. I was admittedly alarmed. Many were new and I was just shocked that a new firearm could be purchased for that price. It seems to me there was a similar discussion about Taurus handguns some years ago, but even Taurus handguns are more expensive used than many new Hi Point products. If a company can cut operating costs and R&D enough to produce a product and price it competetively, especially if its made in the US, I think thats great, but I've always though that the cost of guns more than legislation deterred criminal minds from getting them. Now, I'm not a gun snob. I don't want this thread to become a discussion about that alone. I acknowledge that most people who buy guns in a store are legit anyway. But, there are a lot of legit people with less than legit connections. I want to make my issue known in a diplomatic way without offending, but I do want to hear other opinions on the matter. I've been reading reviews of Hi Point products lately (which are by and large positive), and I've seen discussion over the sale-to-street time for an HP product being faster than any other maker. It makes sense in some respects. A lower entry cost, coupled with depreciation or even mild appreciation means an informal resale may be quicker. I'm not saying there is anything irresponsible on behalf of HP. I did want to hear some discussion on the matter, though. Thanks

12-22-2007, 06:16 AM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,359	It depends a lot on the shop. Here in my local gun/pawn, they have the High-Point pistols starting at $250 and going up! They sell so well, the shop bumped the price up, and still sells them! Years ago, Rugers and Taurus guns were all dirt cheap - good quality for a good price. Then, as folks realised they were good quality - the price rose commensurately. In time, H-P will rise too. The H-P Carbine is still a very good buy! The ONLY advantage the Beretta has over it is magazine capacity. Add the ATI stock, the ugly duckling begins to even look like the Beretta! And for what, a third the price!? The savings will buy mucho ammo. I have the 9mm Carbine, and love it. Me and my buddy are eagerly awaiting the much-ballyhooed and as yet absent .45ACP version! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-22-2007, 08:43 AM	#4
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223	I personally do not prefer to replace the stock on my Hi-Point. I actually prefer to have a Planet of the Apes looking gun. __________________ troylaplante.com

12-22-2007, 10:03 AM	#5
DWARREN123 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BETWEEN TN & KY Posts: 833	A lot people have Hi-Points and say they are ugly but go boom on every trigger pull. My 40 S&W carbine is pretty accurate, I just do not like the stock wrist, too weak in my opinion. __________________ Have a nice day!

12-22-2007, 10:34 AM	#6
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 13,878 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	they are cheap and ugly AND THEY WORK. __________________

12-22-2007, 07:30 AM	#3
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,937	For a lot of retired seniors Hi-Point has made a weapon that they can afford to buy for home protection.

12-22-2007, 11:02 AM	#7
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,912	Hi-Point pistols in my area start at $ 134.00...I almost bought a new 9mm the 2 weeks ago for that price...A.H

12-22-2007, 11:15 AM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,177 Images: 3	I paid $150 otd for my New C9: Paid $150 otd for a barely used 995 carbine: Got the ATI replacement stock coming for it and a 40mm TruGlo red dot for it... Snicker, snicker, guffaw... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-22-2007, 11:20 AM	#9
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,912	Thats the model I almost bought at my friends Pawn and Gun shop ! He only puts a 20 dollar mark up on most guns he sells so cost may be around 112 bucks.

12-22-2007, 11:34 AM	#11
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,509	Each time I'm in a sporting goods store I take a look at the Hi-Point carbines. I look forward to the release of the 45 ACP. AH, It sure would be nice to have a local pawn shop offer that low of a mark up on firearms. Of course, my wife would then try to hide my wallet. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

12-22-2007, 12:15 PM	#14
roadie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 725 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 1	Personally , I eally like the hi-point handguns. I have a CF380 and am getting a 45 soon. They're grrrrreat! They take abuse, are pretty accurate and cheap. Sure they're ugly and heavy, but who cares. I got mine on auctionarms.com for $60 not including fees, can't beat that price anywhere. The carbines are kinda pointless I think. You can get a good sks or an AK for about $100 more and have a much better rifle. But to each their own. Either way, grab yourself a hp pistol, you'll love it.

05-20-2008, 03:10 PM	#15
maasyoak Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: virginia Posts: 16	I have the H P 40 carbine and even though it looks like a P O T A gun it shoots and shoots good.

05-20-2008, 03:13 PM	#16
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,177 Images: 3	Keeping the carbine...selling the C9 today. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

05-20-2008, 04:21 PM	#18
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,553	I prefer 1911's, but I've been picking up tons of used .40 and 9mm brass at various ranges, and I'm seriously thinking about nabbing a couple of HP carbines to use the reloaded brass in. Just fun guns for plinking around with the grandson, not for hunting or self defense. __________________ What she doesn't know about, doesn't piss her off.....

05-21-2008, 06:04 PM	#19
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 523	High point uses allot of the proven processes utilized by the auto industry, that was they can keep production costs low as they do, allot of folks dont care for the materials used but they work and hold together and some folks like the cost. it puts firearms into the grasp of honist folks who dont have allot of scratch to spread around

05-21-2008, 09:10 PM	#20
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,937	Matt, criminals generally steal the guns they carry or buy them from other criminals who had stolen them. No criminal is going to buy and register a gun in his name regardless of price because if it was dropped at the scene of a crime it would lead the cops to him. Thank God that Hi Point has kept their prices down where Seniors on a fixed income can still protect their family. I also am waiting for the .45 Carbine to come out. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it