Questions on selling guns online

JW83 · 12-22-2007, 05:09 PM

I am wanting to sell a rifle online but wasn't sure of laws. It is registered to me. When i sell it do I have to report to anyone that I sold it? Also can you sell unregistered firearms online? Any help would be appreciated.

NRAJOE · 12-22-2007, 05:17 PM

If it is not antique or C&R you must ship to an FFL...whoever buys it from you needs to send a signed copy of their dealers FFL and it gets sent to the dealers place of business.

If its C&R you need a signed copy of their 03 C&R license and you can send it directly to them.

If its antique you can send to anyone with a photocopy of their drivers license showing they are at least 21 yrs of age.

Rifles can be sent via USPS...around $25 with insurance
Handguns go UPS overnight...$40

I've sold about 30 guns online through forums or Gunbroker.com

JW83 · 12-22-2007, 05:29 PM

So I guess it doesnt matter if its registered or not. What does C&R stand for?

NRAJOE · 12-22-2007, 05:33 PM

Curio and Relic...milsurps or at least 50 yrs old...

Mooseman684 · 12-22-2007, 06:33 PM

Joe forgot to mention that the FFL dealer has to Log it in and out of his book, So it meets "Minimal" registration,and I hate that word...Registration, but it is a way foe BATFE to track guns used in Crimes, etc.
His log book will denote where the gun came from and who it went to...
Rich

BattleRifleG3 · 12-22-2007, 09:26 PM

Note that there is a difference between something being registered to someone and there being a dealer's record of it being transferred to someone. There are legal ways for guns to change hands without a dealer record of transfer. Sometimes there are state laws on the subject.

22-rimfire · 12-22-2007, 10:15 PM

Generally speaking, you are required to go through a FFL if the rifle is purchased out of state. If you sell it in-state, you can do a face to face sale if you feel like meeting somewhere. I believe you (a non-FFL) will have to use FedEx to ship directly to the FFL and you will need his FFL to provide to Fedex if they ask. You do put a copy inside the package as I recall. I would talk to Fedex about shipping a long-gun.

big boomer · 12-22-2007, 10:47 PM

So many states have so many laws I play it safe and do a transfer at my local dealer. If you ask ahead of time many will tell you that they will do the paper work for a small fee(15 to 25 dollars) its cheep insurance from getting in trouble. One FFL can ship to another FFL they just fax a copy of their lic. to each other. Of course it does increase the cost some.

NRAJOE · 12-23-2007, 12:37 AM

Once again...rifles and antiques (even antique handguns) can be shipped via USPS...handguns no...handguns (even C&R's...unless you are aregular 01 FFL holder...01's can use USPS if they have an account with them) go overnight via UPS...UPS is better than FedEx hands down....never had a problem with ups...but I've heard of problems with FedEx.

I have gone over the regs with my local Postal people....
Like I said...I've done it over 30 times in the last 6 yrs...last time a couple months ago....

And yes if you sell it online and a buyer from the same State meets you face to face you can sell any gun to that person with no FFL involement if you wish.

And you do not put a copy of a license in with the gun unless you have a C&R and are selling to another FFL holder....the copy from the receiving person is proof enough to the sending agent.

rfc357 · 12-24-2007, 09:43 AM

To elaborate slightly on NRAJOE's post, face-to-face in-state transfers can be done without violating federal laws. There are age restrictions on transferring firearms. You must also follow local laws. For instance, a face-to-face handgun transfer in New York (City) may not violate federal laws, but it almost certainly violates NY law. Know the law or pay the price. I only do transfers through my cooperative dealer. This way there is a background check and no question of legal compliance. I have had individuals back out of the deal because of this. Oh, well, another deal will come along.

12-22-2007, 05:09 PM	#1
JW83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 9	Questions on selling guns online I am wanting to sell a rifle online but wasn't sure of laws. It is registered to me. When i sell it do I have to report to anyone that I sold it? Also can you sell unregistered firearms online? Any help would be appreciated.

12-22-2007, 05:17 PM	#2
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,254 Images: 3	If it is not antique or C&R you must ship to an FFL...whoever buys it from you needs to send a signed copy of their dealers FFL and it gets sent to the dealers place of business. If its C&R you need a signed copy of their 03 C&R license and you can send it directly to them. If its antique you can send to anyone with a photocopy of their drivers license showing they are at least 21 yrs of age. Rifles can be sent via USPS...around $25 with insurance Handguns go UPS overnight...$40 I've sold about 30 guns online through forums or Gunbroker.com __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-22-2007, 05:33 PM	#4
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,254 Images: 3	Curio and Relic...milsurps or at least 50 yrs old... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-22-2007, 06:33 PM	#5
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,561 Images: 2	Joe forgot to mention that the FFL dealer has to Log it in and out of his book, So it meets "Minimal" registration,and I hate that word...Registration, but it is a way foe BATFE to track guns used in Crimes, etc. His log book will denote where the gun came from and who it went to... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-22-2007, 09:26 PM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,464 Images: 13	Note that there is a difference between something being registered to someone and there being a dealer's record of it being transferred to someone. There are legal ways for guns to change hands without a dealer record of transfer. Sometimes there are state laws on the subject. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

12-22-2007, 05:29 PM	#3
JW83 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 9	So I guess it doesnt matter if its registered or not. What does C&R stand for?

12-22-2007, 10:15 PM	#7
22-rimfire Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 118	Generally speaking, you are required to go through a FFL if the rifle is purchased out of state. If you sell it in-state, you can do a face to face sale if you feel like meeting somewhere. I believe you (a non-FFL) will have to use FedEx to ship directly to the FFL and you will need his FFL to provide to Fedex if they ask. You do put a copy inside the package as I recall. I would talk to Fedex about shipping a long-gun.

12-22-2007, 10:47 PM	#8
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 1,243	So many states have so many laws I play it safe and do a transfer at my local dealer. If you ask ahead of time many will tell you that they will do the paper work for a small fee(15 to 25 dollars) its cheep insurance from getting in trouble. One FFL can ship to another FFL they just fax a copy of their lic. to each other. Of course it does increase the cost some.

12-23-2007, 12:37 AM	#9
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,254 Images: 3	Once again...rifles and antiques (even antique handguns) can be shipped via USPS...handguns no...handguns (even C&R's...unless you are aregular 01 FFL holder...01's can use USPS if they have an account with them) go overnight via UPS...UPS is better than FedEx hands down....never had a problem with ups...but I've heard of problems with FedEx. I have gone over the regs with my local Postal people.... Like I said...I've done it over 30 times in the last 6 yrs...last time a couple months ago.... And yes if you sell it online and a buyer from the same State meets you face to face you can sell any gun to that person with no FFL involement if you wish. And you do not put a copy of a license in with the gun unless you have a C&R and are selling to another FFL holder....the copy from the receiving person is proof enough to the sending agent. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-24-2007, 09:43 AM	#10
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	To elaborate slightly on NRAJOE's post, face-to-face in-state transfers can be done without violating federal laws. There are age restrictions on transferring firearms. You must also follow local laws. For instance, a face-to-face handgun transfer in New York (City) may not violate federal laws, but it almost certainly violates NY law. Know the law or pay the price. I only do transfers through my cooperative dealer. This way there is a background check and no question of legal compliance. I have had individuals back out of the deal because of this. Oh, well, another deal will come along.