Glass bedding a model 700

Mr Marksman · 01-18-2008, 10:44 PM

I am thinking about glass bedding my model 700 CDL 30-06, with handloads I am getting about an 1 1/2" at 100yds, and I want an inch, Ive tried pressure bedding but that does worse.
The barrel is already free floating.
I have talked to a gunsmith and he says he has never had any luck with
glass bedding, so is this true?

two-70 · 01-18-2008, 10:47 PM

bedding if done right does make a difference, my thoughts would be pulling up articles on bedding here on the net and study them and see if you think it will make a difference

GlockMeister · 01-18-2008, 10:50 PM

Is that a Remington model?

G-Meister

Mr Marksman · 01-18-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Is that a Remington model?

G-Meister

Yea, a model 700 CLD (Classic Deluxe) Caliber: 30-06.

GlockMeister · 01-18-2008, 11:24 PM

I thought so but wasn't sure. I believe it was this same model that they made a tack driver out of on sighting in USA. Of course when you have sponsors probably paying for most the stuff and a gunsmith probably doing the work for free for air time, it's pretty easy to afford. Who knows though, Jim Scoutton appears to be a pretty up front and straight up guy, maybe he paid for it out of his pocket? I'm sure he could afford to. Not that this is/was the point of my post, just thought I'd mention it. lol Seeing your model number is what made me ask if it was Remington before i went into this.I think they got 3/4" groups @ 100 yds.after they finished it and then broke in the new stainless bull barrel. Then they had custom matched ammo made for it and got 1/2" groups @ 100 yds. I think most of the accuracy came from both the glass beading and the chamber matching they did with a spent casing. I could be wrong though? Wouldn't surprise me at all. The casing was so tight a tolerance, it hardly expanded, if at all, in the chamber. Dam, I wish I had the space, could afford to and knew how to reload.

Is that a 7mm? I think i may be wrong in the model? Check it out.

27-03 Tack Driver

Anyhow, I'm sure you will get a far more accurate rifle when you're done, which I'm sure you also already know. Give us a picture of your grouping before and after if possible? If not, I'd at least like to see the grouping after you glass bead it. I wish you luck.

G-Meister

nathangdad · 01-18-2008, 11:31 PM

Glass bedding has been around a long time. Be sure to use release agent so as not to glue your gun to the stock. When I was a young person growing up in West Texas a two step process was sometimes used in that a person would glass bed the action first coupled with a free floating barrel. Often they would stop at this point as the desired accuracy had been attained. If not, then on to bedding the barrel.

I have never observed a before and after where glass bedding significantly improved accuracy but from the many articles written it seems to have worked for some people. Personally, I would look into buying a higher grade target quality barrel with the new barrel left free floating. But that is just my personal opinion and I respect the disagreements that will come from others in this format.

madcratebuilder · 01-19-2008, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathangdad

Glass bedding has been around a long time. Be sure to use release agent so as not to glue your gun to the stock. When I was a young person growing up in West Texas a two step process was sometimes used in that a person would glass bed the action first coupled with a free floating barrel. Often they would stop at this point as the desired accuracy had been attained. If not, then on to bedding the barrel.

I have never observed a before and after where glass bedding significantly improved accuracy but from the many articles written it seems to have worked for some people. Personally, I would look into buying a higher grade target quality barrel with the new barrel left free floating. But that is just my personal opinion and I respect the disagreements that will come from others in this format.

I agree, if your action/barrel fit the stock well, ie no movement, I would look at a trigger job, barrel upgrade, optics, then bedding. 1 1/2 moa is not that bad. I see a lot of sub 1 moa rifles/pistols on the net, but for some reason they have issues at the range, and shoot 3-4 moa.

samuel · 01-19-2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathangdad

Glass bedding has been around a long time. Be sure to use release agent so as not to glue your gun to the stock. When I was a young person growing up in West Texas a two step process was sometimes used in that a person would glass bed the action first coupled with a free floating barrel. Often they would stop at this point as the desired accuracy had been attained. If not, then on to bedding the barrel.

I have never observed a before and after where glass bedding significantly improved accuracy but from the many articles written it seems to have worked for some people. Personally, I would look into buying a higher grade target quality barrel with the new barrel left free floating. But that is just my personal opinion and I respect the disagreements that will come from others in this format.

If you know what you are trying to accomplish in glass bedding and do the work right it works.If you can only shoot someplace around 1 MOA or dont glass bed right then you probably wont notice much difference.When an action is manufactured it has long sections cut out or molded out for loading/extraction and feeding.This leaves virtually two rails on each side.Then they mold or cut guides inside for the bolt.This leaves the action very flexible when fired and capable of going to slightfly different alignment with the barrel each time the rifle is fired.By glass bedding the action you reenforce and stiffen the action so it doesnt warp as bad when fired and comes closer to the same alignment with the barrel each shot.Since the scope is aligned to the action if the action warps a little bit out of alignment with the barrel it can mean rather wild shooting.If you get it right you may go from 1 1/2 to 1 moa down to 1/2 moa or such.If you look at bench rest rifles they are usually single shot with the port so small you have to enter the bullet first to load as it isnt long enough for the loaded cartridge and if you want to unload without firing you must force the cartridge out of the extractors and they usually have no ejector.This is to prevent action warpage.The glass bedding is to help prevent warpage. sam.

eazyhunter · 11-06-2009, 08:15 PM

Well Im from Australia and im in my 74yr.Ihave been hunting with a rifle since i was 8yrs old.
One of my rifles is a 1979 remington 700 in 22.250 B/A topped with a leupold 6-18x40ao scope.Rifle is glassed bedded and floated sporter light weight barrel.my question is this...it will shoot sub 1/2' at 100yds Most Times using 52 g projectiles.Why Not all the time. I shoot 5 shots the let it cool. I have no glass in front of tang.Im now on my second Remington barrel.Any ideas.

TargetGunFan · 11-06-2009, 08:40 PM

If you are going to hunt with it I would suggest full length pressure bedding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyhunter

Well Im from Australia and im in my 74yr.Ihave been hunting with a rifle since i was 8yrs old.
One of my rifles is a 1979 remington 700 in 22.250 B/A topped with a leupold 6-18x40ao scope.Rifle is glassed bedded and floated sporter light weight barrel.my question is this...it will shoot sub 1/2' at 100yds Most Times using 52 g projectiles.Why Not all the time. I shoot 5 shots the let it cool. I have no glass in front of tang.Im now on my second Remington barrel.Any ideas.

did you break in the barrel?

eazyhunter · 11-06-2009, 11:08 PM

Yes I did break in the barrel.ive been told that i should have the tang bedded in except for the front and bottom. Any suggestions on this

MuShu Gordon · 11-07-2009, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyhunter

Well Im from Australia and im in my 74yr.Ihave been hunting with a rifle since i was 8yrs old.
One of my rifles is a 1979 remington 700 in 22.250 B/A topped with a leupold 6-18x40ao scope.Rifle is glassed bedded and floated sporter light weight barrel.my question is this...it will shoot sub 1/2' at 100yds Most Times using 52 g projectiles.Why Not all the time. I shoot 5 shots the let it cool. I have no glass in front of tang.Im now on my second Remington barrel.Any ideas.

Shoots half a foot? That's not something I would brag about on the forums.

Back on topic, how much would the bedding alter the weight of the firearm? Enough to make a big difference if carrying in the field?

eazyhunter · 11-07-2009, 07:40 AM

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Back on topic, how much would the bedding alter the weight of the firearm? Enough to make a big difference if carrying in the field?[/quote]
only if you use lead

eazyhunter · 11-07-2009, 07:42 AM

could some one tell me if the tang of a REMINGTON 700 sporter should be glassed in the front.I have been told that only the back is this correct

nathangdad · 11-07-2009, 07:45 AM

there are many rifles that have benefitted from both glass bedding and free floating the barrel.

I would suggest first sanding away the internal contact points of the stock to the barrel. Try this free float as a test. It might solve your situation.

If not, the do some serious study before glass bedding both the action and the barrel. This may be the needed work on your rifle.

samuel · 11-07-2009, 08:31 AM

YouTube - Glass Bedding the Bolt Action Rifle

You Tube

,,,sam.

texnmidwest · 11-07-2009, 08:39 AM

Great information, Sam! Thanks!

texnmidwest · 11-07-2009, 08:41 AM

Getting back to the first topic about glass bedding and accuracy. Chuck Hawks on Guns and shooting online wrote an article about improving accuracy. What he found is that his accuracy improved the most after fire lapping the barrel with coated bullets and doing a trigger job. FWIW

Purdy · 11-07-2009, 08:55 AM

M 700's are relative easy to glass bed and usually shoot very well. That said, you said you were using hand loads, have you tried different bullets? Some rifles like one bullet better than another. I have a Remington 700 VBSS that shoots 1 1/2" with Remington 165 gr handloads but does 1/2" with the same load using Sierra 168gr Match Kings.

big shrek · 11-07-2009, 11:33 AM

There's a difference between glass bedding & pillar bedding...

01-18-2008, 10:44 PM	#1
Mr Marksman Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 66	Glass bedding a model 700 I am thinking about glass bedding my model 700 CDL 30-06, with handloads I am getting about an 1 1/2" at 100yds, and I want an inch, Ive tried pressure bedding but that does worse. The barrel is already free floating. I have talked to a gunsmith and he says he has never had any luck with glass bedding, so is this true? Last edited by Mr Marksman; 01-18-2008 at 10:47 PM.

01-18-2008, 10:47 PM	#2
two-70 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ponca city, oklahoma Posts: 1,783	bedding if done right does make a difference, my thoughts would be pulling up articles on bedding here on the net and study them and see if you think it will make a difference __________________ What Would Jesus Do ????? Just Ask Him.

01-18-2008, 10:50 PM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	Is that a Remington model? G-Meister __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

01-18-2008, 11:24 PM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	I thought so but wasn't sure. I believe it was this same model that they made a tack driver out of on sighting in USA. Of course when you have sponsors probably paying for most the stuff and a gunsmith probably doing the work for free for air time, it's pretty easy to afford. Who knows though, Jim Scoutton appears to be a pretty up front and straight up guy, maybe he paid for it out of his pocket? I'm sure he could afford to. Not that this is/was the point of my post, just thought I'd mention it. lol Seeing your model number is what made me ask if it was Remington before i went into this.I think they got 3/4" groups @ 100 yds.after they finished it and then broke in the new stainless bull barrel. Then they had custom matched ammo made for it and got 1/2" groups @ 100 yds. I think most of the accuracy came from both the glass beading and the chamber matching they did with a spent casing. I could be wrong though? Wouldn't surprise me at all. The casing was so tight a tolerance, it hardly expanded, if at all, in the chamber. Dam, I wish I had the space, could afford to and knew how to reload. Is that a 7mm? I think i may be wrong in the model? Check it out. 27-03 Tack Driver Anyhow, I'm sure you will get a far more accurate rifle when you're done, which I'm sure you also already know. Give us a picture of your grouping before and after if possible? If not, I'd at least like to see the grouping after you glass bead it. I wish you luck. G-Meister __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 01-18-2008 at 11:26 PM.

01-18-2008, 11:31 PM	#6
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,175	Glass bedding has been around a long time Glass bedding has been around a long time. Be sure to use release agent so as not to glue your gun to the stock. When I was a young person growing up in West Texas a two step process was sometimes used in that a person would glass bed the action first coupled with a free floating barrel. Often they would stop at this point as the desired accuracy had been attained. If not, then on to bedding the barrel. I have never observed a before and after where glass bedding significantly improved accuracy but from the many articles written it seems to have worked for some people. Personally, I would look into buying a higher grade target quality barrel with the new barrel left free floating. But that is just my personal opinion and I respect the disagreements that will come from others in this format.
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11-06-2009, 08:15 PM	#9
eazyhunter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	floating a remington 700 sporter barrel to shoot moa Well Im from Australia and im in my 74yr.Ihave been hunting with a rifle since i was 8yrs old. One of my rifles is a 1979 remington 700 in 22.250 B/A topped with a leupold 6-18x40ao scope.Rifle is glassed bedded and floated sporter light weight barrel.my question is this...it will shoot sub 1/2' at 100yds Most Times using 52 g projectiles.Why Not all the time. I shoot 5 shots the let it cool. I have no glass in front of tang.Im now on my second Remington barrel.Any ideas.

11-06-2009, 11:08 PM	#11
eazyhunter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	Yes I did break in the barrel.ive been told that i should have the tang bedded in except for the front and bottom. Any suggestions on this

11-07-2009, 07:40 AM	#13
eazyhunter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	. Back on topic, how much would the bedding alter the weight of the firearm? Enough to make a big difference if carrying in the field?[/quote] only if you use lead Last edited by eazyhunter; 11-07-2009 at 07:43 AM.

11-07-2009, 07:42 AM	#14
eazyhunter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	could some one tell me if the tang of a REMINGTON 700 sporter should be glassed in the front.I have been told that only the back is this correct

11-07-2009, 07:45 AM	#15
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,175	Actually, there are many rifles that have benefitted from both glass bedding and free floating the barrel. I would suggest first sanding away the internal contact points of the stock to the barrel. Try this free float as a test. It might solve your situation. If not, the do some serious study before glass bedding both the action and the barrel. This may be the needed work on your rifle.

11-07-2009, 08:39 AM	#17
texnmidwest Some People's kids.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 6,978	Great information, Sam! Thanks! __________________ never pass up a bathroom, never waste a ** , and never trust a fart.

11-07-2009, 08:41 AM	#18
texnmidwest Some People's kids.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 6,978	Getting back to the first topic about glass bedding and accuracy. Chuck Hawks on Guns and shooting online wrote an article about improving accuracy. What he found is that his accuracy improved the most after fire lapping the barrel with coated bullets and doing a trigger job. FWIW __________________ never pass up a bathroom, never waste a ** , and never trust a fart.

11-07-2009, 08:55 AM	#19
Purdy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 430	M 700's are relative easy to glass bed and usually shoot very well. That said, you said you were using hand loads, have you tried different bullets? Some rifles like one bullet better than another. I have a Remington 700 VBSS that shoots 1 1/2" with Remington 165 gr handloads but does 1/2" with the same load using Sierra 168gr Match Kings.

11-07-2009, 11:33 AM	#20
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,128 Images: 56	There's a difference between glass bedding & pillar bedding... __________________ In every Unit...there is a Scrounger...