7mm shooting times westerner

Magnumsrule · 02-21-2008, 04:06 PM

Ok i thin ive settled on a 7mm or 30 cal for my next cartridge. I have hear really god reviews about this cartridge. I was wondering what everyone thought. How much recoil, tragectory and all that jazz. I have also looked at the 7mm rum and 300 rum. I think ill get a muzzle break with these ones but i want something that shoots far flat and hits hard.
ps. i wont be back on the forum untill monday

but i hope to have a list of replies to read through by then. Just because i havent replied back yet, please keep posting! I now that im not going to get too mayn replies.... Maby i should post this as the 30-06 fan club forum??

billy · 02-21-2008, 06:54 PM

ok ,
i replied.
now what?

Midas · 02-21-2008, 06:58 PM

Since you are already using the 7mm Rem Mag, the next logical step would be to get a .300 Win mag, the 7mm STW isn't available in too many, if any, factory rifles. And to be honest, it doesn't add a whole lot over the 7mm Rem Mag. And please, don't be jealous because the 30-06 and similar cartridges get all of the publicity, THEY WORK! so it is only natural that a lot of people use them.

270wsm · 02-21-2008, 07:06 PM

I agree with Midas! Maybe the .300win mag or the .300WSM.
Both are very good cartridges.I don't own the .300win mag but I do own the .300WSM and have nothing but great things to say about it!

samuel · 02-21-2008, 07:17 PM

Yes,we do love our .30-06,s. "There ain't many troubles a man cai'nt fix with seven hundred dollars,and a thirty-ot-six. The STW,s were meant to 'reach out and touch someone',they do it.You are going to be sorry if you put a brake on that rifle.A .30-06 has about 20lbs recoil,a STW 7mm has about 28lbs,a .300 ultra mag has about 32lbs.All of these can be handled with proper recoil pads and proper stance.I dont think the ultra mag is that bad on sandbags.One thing,you can use the biggest bullet made in 7mm with a STW. sam.

win39 · 02-21-2008, 07:38 PM

Why don't you research the 325 WSM. From what I hear it has the punch of a 338 and shoots as flat as the 270 Win. & 7MM RM. Or you can be like everyone else on the block and get old reliable 30/06.

Down South · 02-21-2008, 08:23 PM

I have a Ruger #1 that I had chambered for the 7MM STW about 15 years ago. This was before you could buy a (Factory) STW. I like the cartridge very much. I've killed many deer with it. The problem with most of the Factory bolt rifles in the 7MM STW is that they are built on a short action. The 7MM STW really needs a long action so that the bullet doesn't have to be seated so deep into the case. If you like single shots just buy a Ruger #1 7MM Mag and have the chamber reamed to the STW cartridge like I did.

MOD 70 · 02-21-2008, 08:48 PM

My brother uses a STW for his light deer gun and it`s a drill, but your limited on bullet weight. I`d get a full length 300 mag or 338.

samuel · 02-22-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Down South

I have a Ruger #1 that I had chambered for the 7MM STW about 15 years ago. This was before you could buy a (Factory) STW. I like the cartridge very much. I've killed many deer with it. The problem with most of the Factory bolt rifles in the 7MM STW is that they are built on a short action. The 7MM STW really needs a long action so that the bullet doesn't have to be seated so deep into the case. If you like single shots just buy a Ruger #1 7MM Mag and have the chamber reamed to the STW cartridge like I did.

Could you explain to me how you get a STW case in a short action(or out once you did get it in)The oal with a 195gr is 3.585".They are hard to load in a standard press. sam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOD 70

My brother uses a STW for his light deer gun and it`s a drill, but your limited on bullet weight. I`d get a full length 300 mag or 338.

How are you limited on bullet weight?Isnt a 195gr bullet at 2900fps+ enough or on the light end a 120gr at 3500+? sam.

win39 · 02-22-2008, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Could you explain to me how you get a STW case in a short action(or out once you did get it in)The oal with a 195gr is 3.585".They are hard to load in a standard press. sam.

How are you limited on bullet weight?Isnt a 195gr bullet at 2900fps+ enough or on the light end a 120gr at 3500+? sam.

Sam: I was sitting here scratching my head wondering the same thing.

baltimorelaw · 02-22-2008, 12:42 PM

I have 7mm STW and a .300 RUM, both project guns that my Dad and I rechambered. I agree that the STW doesn't offer anything significantly better than a traditional 7mm Rem. Especially considering the cost and availability of ammo- if you don't handload. The 300 RUM dishes out plenty of recoil, but it delivers performance. Besides the recoil can be greatly reduced with a good pad (limbsaver, etc.) and muzzlebreak.

Using Barnes X-bullets (175gr for STW, 180gr for RUM), I get 26" drop from the RUM at 500 yds, while the STW drops 32". Not to mention that at 500yds, the RUM has approx. 500 more ft-Ibs of energy.

samuel · 02-22-2008, 12:57 PM

Good post.I apreciate your views and personal experience. sam.

MOD 70 · 02-22-2008, 06:47 PM

I`ve got to give you that one Sam. A 195 grn is not a small bullet. I stand corrected, but what I meant was for case capacity of this size it might be better used to drive a .338 dia. or more. I shoot 300 Wea. for deer with 200`s so I guess it`s not logical for me to bash the 7mm`s!

Magnumsrule · 02-24-2008, 09:01 PM

So the STW does not offer any segnificant advantage. Thanks. I still really like the 7mms but maby will have to go up to 30 cal due to the increased availability of ammo.

Ron AKA · 02-24-2008, 09:29 PM

I think if you are not going to be satisfied with the 7mm RM, then you need to make the next logical step up --- 338 Lapua Magnum. Rummor has it that there is 308 Win inside every cartridge just for back up! --- a Mini Me!

Midas · 02-24-2008, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron AKA

I think if you are not going to be satisfied with the 7mm RM, then you need to make the next logical step up --- 338 Lapua Magnum. Rummor has it that there is 308 Win inside every cartridge just for back up!

I don't believe he listed any .338 as one his choices

Ron AKA · 02-24-2008, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midas

I don't believe he listed any .338 as one his choices

It was not a serious suggestion. These cartridges are actually banned at our local range.

It was a backhanded way to suggest that the 7mm RM is a pretty good choice.

Ron

Midas · 02-24-2008, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron AKA

It was not a serious suggestion. These cartridges are actually banned at our local range.

It was a backhanded way to suggest that the 7mm RM is a pretty good choice.

Ron

Heehee, staying with the 7mm Remmy would be too boring!

Ron AKA · 02-24-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

I think ill get a muzzle break with these ones but i want something that shoots far flat and hits hard.

I'm curious as to why? It is going to cost your hearing unless you always hunt with ear protection, and also some muzzle velocity and accuracy.

I would narrow choices to 264 WM (Remington Sendero), 7mm RM, or 7mm RUM. Going bigger in caliber is only going to punish your shoulder (338 Lupa Magnum for example). To shoot flat you need velocity. To hold that velocity you need a high BC. The bigger the bore the heavier the bullet you need to get a high BC. The 338 for example needs a 250 to 300 grain bullet. While the Lapua case may get the velocity up over 3000 fps, I'm not sure I would want to pull the trigger!

Ron

Magnumsrule · 02-25-2008, 10:01 PM

I am seriously thinking that the 7mmrum is the way to go. Articles i have read list it as a contender for the flattest shooting factory cartridge ever made. It has 700-900 foot pounds of energy over the 7mm rem depending on the source. I have heard that the lapua is a good long range rifle but that will be even harder to find rifles and ammo for. The 7mmrum has rifles and ammo that is fairly available. I am thinkin that getting a muzzle break will be neccessary but i would shoot it a couple times first to see how hard it actually recoils. Shooting off a bench will require some serious ear protection.

I didnt know that muzzle breaks affected accuracy?

02-21-2008, 06:54 PM	#2
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	ok , i replied. now what? __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya!

02-21-2008, 06:58 PM	#3
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,709 Trader Rating: (0)	Since you are already using the 7mm Rem Mag, the next logical step would be to get a .300 Win mag, the 7mm STW isn't available in too many, if any, factory rifles. And to be honest, it doesn't add a whole lot over the 7mm Rem Mag. And please, don't be jealous because the 30-06 and similar cartridges get all of the publicity, THEY WORK! so it is only natural that a lot of people use them. __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

02-21-2008, 07:06 PM	#4
270wsm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 326 Trader Rating: (0)	I agree with Midas! Maybe the .300win mag or the .300WSM. Both are very good cartridges.I don't own the .300win mag but I do own the .300WSM and have nothing but great things to say about it! __________________ THIS IS MY COMMANDMENT,THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER,AS I HAVE LOVED YOU-Jesus Christ(John15:12)

02-21-2008, 07:38 PM	#6
win39 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (0)	Why don't you research the 325 WSM. From what I hear it has the punch of a 338 and shoots as flat as the 270 Win. & 7MM RM. Or you can be like everyone else on the block and get old reliable 30/06. __________________ Benny

02-21-2008, 08:48 PM	#8
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	My brother uses a STW for his light deer gun and it`s a drill, but your limited on bullet weight. I`d get a full length 300 mag or 338. __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

02-21-2008, 04:06 PM	#1
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	7mm shooting times westerner Ok i thin ive settled on a 7mm or 30 cal for my next cartridge. I have hear really god reviews about this cartridge. I was wondering what everyone thought. How much recoil, tragectory and all that jazz. I have also looked at the 7mm rum and 300 rum. I think ill get a muzzle break with these ones but i want something that shoots far flat and hits hard. ps. i wont be back on the forum untill monday but i hope to have a list of replies to read through by then. Just because i havent replied back yet, please keep posting! I now that im not going to get too mayn replies.... Maby i should post this as the 30-06 fan club forum?? __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE! Last edited by Magnumsrule; 02-21-2008 at 04:09 PM. Reason: Forgot to add something...

02-21-2008, 07:17 PM	#5
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes,we do love our .30-06,s. "There ain't many troubles a man cai'nt fix with seven hundred dollars,and a thirty-ot-six. The STW,s were meant to 'reach out and touch someone',they do it.You are going to be sorry if you put a brake on that rifle.A .30-06 has about 20lbs recoil,a STW 7mm has about 28lbs,a .300 ultra mag has about 32lbs.All of these can be handled with proper recoil pads and proper stance.I dont think the ultra mag is that bad on sandbags.One thing,you can use the biggest bullet made in 7mm with a STW. sam.

02-21-2008, 08:23 PM	#7
Down South Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jonesville La Posts: 49 Trader Rating: (0)	I have a Ruger #1 that I had chambered for the 7MM STW about 15 years ago. This was before you could buy a (Factory) STW. I like the cartridge very much. I've killed many deer with it. The problem with most of the Factory bolt rifles in the 7MM STW is that they are built on a short action. The 7MM STW really needs a long action so that the bullet doesn't have to be seated so deep into the case. If you like single shots just buy a Ruger #1 7MM Mag and have the chamber reamed to the STW cartridge like I did.

02-22-2008, 12:42 PM	#11
baltimorelaw Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0)	I have 7mm STW and a .300 RUM, both project guns that my Dad and I rechambered. I agree that the STW doesn't offer anything significantly better than a traditional 7mm Rem. Especially considering the cost and availability of ammo- if you don't handload. The 300 RUM dishes out plenty of recoil, but it delivers performance. Besides the recoil can be greatly reduced with a good pad (limbsaver, etc.) and muzzlebreak. Using Barnes X-bullets (175gr for STW, 180gr for RUM), I get 26" drop from the RUM at 500 yds, while the STW drops 32". Not to mention that at 500yds, the RUM has approx. 500 more ft-Ibs of energy.

02-22-2008, 12:57 PM	#12
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	Good post.I apreciate your views and personal experience. sam.

02-22-2008, 06:47 PM	#13
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0)	I`ve got to give you that one Sam. A 195 grn is not a small bullet. I stand corrected, but what I meant was for case capacity of this size it might be better used to drive a .338 dia. or more. I shoot 300 Wea. for deer with 200`s so I guess it`s not logical for me to bash the 7mm`s! __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

02-24-2008, 09:01 PM	#14
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	So the STW does not offer any segnificant advantage. Thanks. I still really like the 7mms but maby will have to go up to 30 cal due to the increased availability of ammo. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

02-24-2008, 09:29 PM	#15
Ron AKA Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 704 Trader Rating: (0)	I think if you are not going to be satisfied with the 7mm RM, then you need to make the next logical step up --- 338 Lapua Magnum. Rummor has it that there is 308 Win inside every cartridge just for back up! --- a Mini Me! Last edited by Ron AKA; 02-24-2008 at 09:38 PM.

02-25-2008, 10:01 PM	#20
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	I am seriously thinking that the 7mmrum is the way to go. Articles i have read list it as a contender for the flattest shooting factory cartridge ever made. It has 700-900 foot pounds of energy over the 7mm rem depending on the source. I have heard that the lapua is a good long range rifle but that will be even harder to find rifles and ammo for. The 7mmrum has rifles and ammo that is fairly available. I am thinkin that getting a muzzle break will be neccessary but i would shoot it a couple times first to see how hard it actually recoils. Shooting off a bench will require some serious ear protection. I didnt know that muzzle breaks affected accuracy? __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!