.270 VS .30-06

nc.hunter · 03-29-2008, 06:20 PM

Which rifle do you preffer for big game hunting?

7mmremmag1995 · 03-29-2008, 06:50 PM

30-06 because i can find more factory ammo and the '06 puts more energy downrange

Righteous · 03-29-2008, 07:03 PM

same balistics, only thing is your bullet weight is be more with the '06, lighter kick with 270, both will do find

turner · 03-29-2008, 07:31 PM

For general big game hunting, the 30/06 can do everything a .270 can do, BUT, because of the greater number of loadings and higher bullet weights available in '06, the .270 cannot do everything the '06 is capable of. That being said, I'd say the .270 is likely a better "deer" cartridge and perhaps the best ever (only equalled, perhaps, by the .308 in my book)

TRUE GRIT · 03-29-2008, 07:39 PM

In my book the 270 is the perfect north American game cartridge.

jaeger · 03-29-2008, 08:08 PM

If you only could have 1 gun.... the -06. If you could have the .270 for long range antelope or deer gun and the 06 for elk/moose that would be better.

Ron AKA · 03-29-2008, 08:27 PM

The 270 is a more vesatile caliber. The 30-06 would be a long long ways down on my nice to have list, almost as low as the .308 :-).

Onesonek · 03-29-2008, 09:04 PM

If I had the choice of only one rifle, shooting one cartridge, with those 2 choices,,,,,,,,,I'll take the .30-06 any day!
It still leads the die sales after 100+ years for a reason!!

Dave

dyeager535 · 03-29-2008, 10:11 PM

Yep, with those two cartridges, the 30-06 for "general" use.

I'm sure you'll find the .270 shoots flatter with certain loads than the 30-06, but it will never be as versatile, since it's just a necked down 30-06 in the first place. More velocity with a smaller bullet.

Long range "smaller" game I'd say .270, anything else, or everything, 30-06.

Bravo · 03-30-2008, 12:32 AM

When comparing those two, there is no reason to take a .270. The 30-06 can do everything the .270 can, and then some. With ammo weight ranging from 125 grain to 220gr, there is no need for a .270, and there is nothing in North American that you can't take with a 30-06.

SwedeSteve · 03-30-2008, 12:50 AM

You just got to go with the old 30 GOVT! While I do like the 270, it just cannot compare with it's parent cartridge. And I sorely wish I could stop hearing the phrase "Anything in North America!" It is all too worn out and overused! And unless you've done exactly that, then you can't really say, can you? Not picking on you Bravo! Just the phrase!

toolman · 03-30-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

When comparing those two, there is no reason to take a .270. The 30-06 can do everything the .270 can, and then some. With ammo weight ranging from 125 grain to 220gr, there is no need for a .270, and there is nothing in North American that you can't take with a 30-06.

Using that argument, you could say the same about the .06vs. 300WM, or a 300WM vs. .300 Weatherby, etc, etc...It all depends on weight class of desired game and anything over 180 gr. in an '06 is very inefficient. I'm not bashing the '06, I'm just saying that the .270 has a very solid space in the list of "useful" cartridges as it can be loaded as low as 90 gr. @ a screaming 3500 fps. or up to 160 gr. for elk-sized game-pretty versatile in my book.

texnmidwest · 03-30-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

You just got to go with the old 30 GOVT! While I do like the 270, it just cannot compare with it's parent cartridge. And I sorely wish I could stop hearing the phrase "Anything in North America!" It is all too worn out and overused! And unless you've done exactly that, then you can't really say, can you? Not picking on you Bravo! Just the phrase!

Now Swede! You stop pickin' on that poor young man!

Besides, What if he has shot an Alaskan Moose or Brown Bear? That is not everything in North America but it counts as some of the biggest, don't it? What about Bigfoot? If he shot him in the A##, wouldn't that count for something?

You just like to pick on everybody don't ya, Swede?

samuel · 03-30-2008, 08:19 AM

Reading factory balistics using a 150gr bullet both have about identicle balistics out to 400yds.Using a 130gr in .270 and 125gr in -06 it comes out about the same.The only real difference I see is the .270 may have a little less recoil making it possible to carry a lighter gun when hunting in rough terain.As to bullets,the .30-06 is far beyond the .270 in heavys and with the 90gr varmint bullet which I have used with very good results,the .270 is way beyond the -06.I also find the -06 great on varmints using the 125gr bullet but not as flat shooting as the 90gr in the .270.I can see where you might get better performance from either by handloading.I have used very little factory ammo. sam.

Blackrock · 03-30-2008, 08:23 AM

I have taken Mule deer, Antelope and Elk with both guns. Loaded 130g bullet in the .270 and 165g or 180g in the -06. I really liked the 270 on Antelope at 300 yds. It's hard to get a close shot on those speed goats. And I like the knock down power of the -06 w/180g on Elk.

Bravo · 03-30-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

You just got to go with the old 30 GOVT! While I do like the 270, it just cannot compare with it's parent cartridge. And I sorely wish I could stop hearing the phrase "Anything in North America!" It is all too worn out and overused! And unless you've done exactly that, then you can't really say, can you? Not picking on you Bravo! Just the phrase!

That's true

I've taken a moose with a 30-06, just never a Grizzly. If I were to, I would truly be able to say; The 30-06 will take anything from a deer to a grizzly, and everything in between.

turner · 03-30-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron AKA

The 270 is a more vesatile caliber. The 30-06 would be a long long ways down on my nice to have list, almost as low as the .308 :-).

I'd never be convinced that for big game hunting the .270 is MORE vesatile, and after all that's the question here...big game hunting in general. For factory loadings as well as anyone's handloads an '06 with 125gr to 220 gr loadings will simply do more than a .270 in my book(and on game). Again, simply looking at all types of deer hunting (not meaning elk, caribou or moose), I'd never argue with a man or woman who chose the .270.

Magnumsrule · 03-30-2008, 09:55 PM

The 30-06 should win this clear out. More power for bigger game. The 270. is capeable in most hands but when chasing elk all the extra footpounds that you have are needed.

Ron AKA · 03-31-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by turner

I'd never be convinced that for big game hunting the .270 is MORE vesatile, and after all that's the question here...big game hunting in general. For factory loadings as well as anyone's handloads an '06 with 125gr to 220 gr loadings will simply do more than a .270 in my book(and on game). Again, simply looking at all types of deer hunting (not meaning elk, caribou or moose), I'd never argue with a man or woman who chose the .270.

It comes back to the old big bore slow bullet vs smaller bore, faster bullet arguement. I will always choose the flatter shooting but equal or more energy choice. That is because I need to hit it as the first priority.

I think each case size has an optimun bore. For the 30-06 case that is much smaller than .308. It could be .277 or as little as .257, but not .308. Whatever it is, the optimum bore is smaller still for the .308 cartridge.

Ron

turner · 03-31-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron AKA

It comes back to the old big bore slow bullet vs smaller bore, faster bullet arguement. I will always choose the flatter shooting but equal or more energy choice. That is because I need to hit it as the first priority.

I think each case size has an optimun bore. For the 30-06 case that is much smaller than .308. It could be .277 or as little as .257, but not .308. Whatever it is, the optimum bore is smaller still for the .308 cartridge.

Ron

I disagree!

Let's see; .270/150grSPBT 2850FPS / 2705FPE (muzzle)
Drop at 400yds with 200 yd zero: 21.4"

30/06/150grSPBT 2910FPS / 2820FPE (muzzle)
Drop at 400yds with 200yd zero: 21.5"

30/06/165grSPBT 2800FPS / 2870FPE (muzzle)
Drop at 400yds with 200yd zero: 22.4"

**30/06/180LM 2880FPS / 3316FPE (muzzle)
Drop at 400yds with a 200yd zero: 21.3"
Energy at 400yds: 1786FPE

For Comparison: .300Win mag 180grNP
2960FPS / 3500FPE
At 400yds: 1585FPE Drop:22.1

**Absolutely NO .270 loading, Light Magnum or otherwise, comes remotely close to this loading. This loading is far superior for any game larger than deer than any load currently available even in a .270WSM!!! To say the 30/06 is a "old slow bullet" is simply not true, period.

View Poll Results: .270 VS .30-06
.30-06	29	80.56%
.270	7	19.44%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

03-29-2008, 06:20 PM	#1
nc.hunter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Forsyth county of north carolina Posts: 226	.270 VS .30-06 Which rifle do you preffer for big game hunting? __________________ I'M A SOUTHERNER THROUGH AND THROUGH!

03-29-2008, 06:50 PM	#2
7mmremmag1995 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,270 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 1	30-06 because i can find more factory ammo and the '06 puts more energy downrange __________________ Just LeDoux it

03-30-2008, 12:50 AM	#11
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,396 Images: 1	You just got to go with the old 30 GOVT! While I do like the 270, it just cannot compare with it's parent cartridge. And I sorely wish I could stop hearing the phrase "Anything in North America!" It is all too worn out and overused! And unless you've done exactly that, then you can't really say, can you? Not picking on you Bravo! Just the phrase! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-30-2008, 08:23 AM	#15
Blackrock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SE Arizona's Gila Valley Posts: 263	I have taken Mule deer, Antelope and Elk with both guns. Loaded 130g bullet in the .270 and 165g or 180g in the -06. I really liked the 270 on Antelope at 300 yds. It's hard to get a close shot on those speed goats. And I like the knock down power of the -06 w/180g on Elk. __________________ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails" Forbidden fruits create many jams

03-29-2008, 07:03 PM	#3
Righteous Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 214	same balistics, only thing is your bullet weight is be more with the '06, lighter kick with 270, both will do find

03-29-2008, 07:31 PM	#4
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	For general big game hunting, the 30/06 can do everything a .270 can do, BUT, because of the greater number of loadings and higher bullet weights available in '06, the .270 cannot do everything the '06 is capable of. That being said, I'd say the .270 is likely a better "deer" cartridge and perhaps the best ever (only equalled, perhaps, by the .308 in my book)

03-29-2008, 07:39 PM	#5
TRUE GRIT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North East Los Angeles Posts: 186	In my book the 270 is the perfect north American game cartridge.

03-29-2008, 08:08 PM	#6
jaeger Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 303 Images: 3	If you only could have 1 gun.... the -06. If you could have the .270 for long range antelope or deer gun and the 06 for elk/moose that would be better.

03-29-2008, 08:27 PM	#7
Ron AKA Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 704	The 270 is a more vesatile caliber. The 30-06 would be a long long ways down on my nice to have list, almost as low as the .308 :-).

03-29-2008, 09:04 PM	#8
Onesonek Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pipestone, MN. Posts: 352	If I had the choice of only one rifle, shooting one cartridge, with those 2 choices,,,,,,,,,I'll take the .30-06 any day! It still leads the die sales after 100+ years for a reason!! Dave

03-29-2008, 10:11 PM	#9
dyeager535 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 52	Yep, with those two cartridges, the 30-06 for "general" use. I'm sure you'll find the .270 shoots flatter with certain loads than the 30-06, but it will never be as versatile, since it's just a necked down 30-06 in the first place. More velocity with a smaller bullet. Long range "smaller" game I'd say .270, anything else, or everything, 30-06.

03-30-2008, 12:32 AM	#10
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,900	When comparing those two, there is no reason to take a .270. The 30-06 can do everything the .270 can, and then some. With ammo weight ranging from 125 grain to 220gr, there is no need for a .270, and there is nothing in North American that you can't take with a 30-06.

03-30-2008, 08:19 AM	#14
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	Reading factory balistics using a 150gr bullet both have about identicle balistics out to 400yds.Using a 130gr in .270 and 125gr in -06 it comes out about the same.The only real difference I see is the .270 may have a little less recoil making it possible to carry a lighter gun when hunting in rough terain.As to bullets,the .30-06 is far beyond the .270 in heavys and with the 90gr varmint bullet which I have used with very good results,the .270 is way beyond the -06.I also find the -06 great on varmints using the 125gr bullet but not as flat shooting as the 90gr in the .270.I can see where you might get better performance from either by handloading.I have used very little factory ammo. sam.

03-30-2008, 09:55 PM	#18
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 593 Blog Entries: 2	The 30-06 should win this clear out. More power for bigger game. The 270. is capeable in most hands but when chasing elk all the extra footpounds that you have are needed. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!