Looking for a low-budget semi-auto rifle (carbine?) for the GF, but bigger than .22.

[squirrelbaster]

the high point pistols stink, but the carbine are real good, they sell for $160 round here, which i think is acualy cheaper than the hi-point websight sells them for, its one of the limmited time sales at local shop but to them limmited time = forever, i say get her the hipoint carbine or an sks

[JMcDonald]

Hmm. I posted a reply but for some reason it didn't show up.

In a nutshell, I was basically saying that my GF's arms are short enough that her left arm is completely strait when reaching the firearm of my shotgun, so you could imagine how uncomfortable it would be to hold a 4lb weight at arms length for someone who weighs 100lbs. Especially when you factor in the possibility of needing to move quickly, or even just aiming.

But yeah we are going to check out the HiPoint rifle.

[lefty o]

with your budget, and her size, and age, buy her a german shepherd. i would not trust a loved ones life to a cheap gun!

[PONTIACDM]

I just came from the gunshow and they had Hi-point carbines brand new for $169.00 .

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

Oooh! I found a local gun store that carries Hi-Point carbines for under $300! Im going to take the GF there some time this week to check them out.

[JMcDonald]

Went shooting quite a bit today. The shotgun was... well... a 12g shotgun, hah. Got shoot a Ruger 10/22... that was a blast. At 40ft, 10 shots in a 4" circle in ~7 seconds was actually not difficult.

As much fun as the rifle was, Im now half tempted to buy myself one of those 9mm Hi-Points, heh. If nothing else, might trade in my 12g for one and use the carbine with hollow points.

[JMcDonald]

How different is the recoil between the 9mm and .40SW version? How much harder are they than a .22 rifle?

[cubbieman]

I haven't shot them in rifles, but in handguns the .40 is a little stiffer than the 9MM, and the .22 is a cap gun in comparison, the recoil on my friend's remington 597 isn't even noticeable. the .40 and 9MM are both light rounds, and no one should have issues with the recoil

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by cubbieman

I haven't shot them in rifles, but in handguns the .40 is a little stiffer than the 9MM, and the .22 is a cap gun in comparison, the recoil on my friend's remington 597 isn't even noticeable. the .40 and 9MM are both light rounds, and no one should have issues with the recoil

It's a pistol round!

How much recoil could any of them have?

Hold it in your teeth!

[Parrothead]

As to the pistol ammo age question, I read on the BATFE website that it's legal to sell pistol ammo to someone over 18 but under 21 if it's for a rifle

I don't have experience with hi-point carbines, but if it's gotta be a long arm, that sounds like the way to go. Heck, I might have to look into one !

[JMcDonald]

I actually think I might trade my shotgun in toward a pair of 9mm Hi-Points for the GF and I... That ruger 10/22 was a blast, heh.

[Hotled]

May want to look up the KEL-TEC SUB 2000

[Recon 173]

So you want power and a bigger size bullet with minimum recoil? How about either a .357 or a .44 magnum lever action saddle carbine? The recoil for either one of them is so soft that it'll amaze you. On top of that they would get a carbine that is easy to use, learn and extremely accurate. What is interesting is that many years ago some people would actually hunt small bears with the .44 magnum saddle carbines so they are also a very good man-stopper as well. Another thing you can do is get the girlfriend involved in "cowboy shooting." Take her to a few local cowboy shoots where men and women dress up like cowboys, Indian scouts, soldiers, school marms, dance hall girls and so on. First let her see how much fun women like her have at those events and then gradually work her into their social structure. That's when you will need to start getting her guns that she can use for her shooting events like the lever action saddle carbines, single action revolvers and maybe even a shotgun or two. In my area, the woman who leads most shooting competitions is a little over 5 feet tall, weights a little over 100 pounds and handles a 1911 with the best of them. She will tell you that her desire to be a top woman shooter, she's won state level competitions in Wisconsin and Illinois both, came about slowly by first having fun with guns. First fun and then expand off of the fun part.

[JMcDonald]

But yeah, she is very excited about getting her own carbine. Having never even held a gun before (even a BB gun, heh), after her first 10 practice shots, I reloaded the clip on the Ruger 10/22 (with a folding, pistol-grip buttstock) and she held a ~5" pattern at 40ft, with 3 landing in the 1" bullseye. Needless to say, she really liked it and would not stop bragging about it (she did better than any of the guys we were with, even after speeding up her shooting speed, hah).

But, I found some HiPoint 9mms locally. One is a rebuilt used one for $169 and they have new ones for $209. Im probably going to get about $80-$90 for my Maverick (unless I sell it to my roommate for ~$100) so total the two carbines should be around $300. Given that I was prepared to spend $300 on her gun alone, Id say it sounds like I might have something good!

And I actually found the HiPoint through searching for that Kel-Tec sub2000. After a bit of searching around here, it seemed that the HiPoint was a better weapon for less money, so I went strait to that.

[Big Tool]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

But yeah, she is very excited about getting her own carbine. Having never even held a gun before (even a BB gun, heh), after her first 10 practice shots, I reloaded the clip on the Ruger 10/22 (with a folding, pistol-grip buttstock) and she held a ~5" pattern at 40ft, with 3 landing in the 1" bullseye. Needless to say, she really liked it and would not stop bragging about it (she did better than any of the guys we were with, even after speeding up her shooting speed, hah).

But, I found some HiPoint 9mms locally. One is a rebuilt used one for $169 and they have new ones for $209. Im probably going to get about $80-$90 for my Maverick (unless I sell it to my roommate for ~$100) so total the two carbines should be around $300. Given that I was prepared to spend $300 on her gun alone, Id say it sounds like I might have something good!

And I actually found the HiPoint through searching for that Kel-Tec sub2000. After a bit of searching around here, it seemed that the HiPoint was a better weapon for less money, so I went strait to that.

I would let her keep the 10/22. Believe me it will ward off anyone trying to break in, and if they get witing range she can always shoot their eyes out. .22 will kill a intruder at close range easily.


My next recomendation would be a youth model remington 870 20 gauge. load it with buck shot and don't worry.

If you want a short carbine rifle I would go with aa saiga in 223 or 7.62x39 you can get one for about 250.00, and i imagine you both would have fun with it.

[squirrelbaster]

i think a youth shotty is a good idea or stay with a pistol caliber carbine, i take back my comment about the sks after thinking about it more, also think the siaga is a bad idea, where as it would be very fun, i worry about useing rifle calibers for home defence they can go threw walls and hit the people next door and the like.

[Big Tool]

Originally Posted by squirrelbaster

i think a youth shotty is a good idea or stay with a pistol caliber carbine, i take back my comment about the sks after thinking about it more, also think the siaga is a bad idea, where as it would be very fun, i worry about useing rifle calibers for home defence they can go threw walls and hit the people next door and the like.

Definitely something to keep in mind if you live near others. I've seen the 7.62x39 cut thgough a 6x6 like butter.


The youth shotgun would be easy to wield and in a 20ga it would have minimal recoil. I'm not sure legal wise but i have thought about getting a remingon 870 youth and cutting the barrel down shorter. It would be great for home defense and a snake gun for the truck.

[JMcDonald]

Going tomorrow to pick up two HP 9mm Carbines. I checked out a used one today and I really liked how it felt in the hands. Trying to decide if the $20 saved buying this used one vs buying a new one from another store is worth it. The only defense it has is the lifetime warranty, but I still don't like that it doesn't look like it was taken care of as good as I would have.

[sell33]

I have always heard that hi point has the best warranty you can get. the guy that owns the local gun shop always said if you buy one take the mag out and send it in first thing and it will be good as new when you get it back and they give you 2 new free mags....just an idea

Plus everyone i have talked to with the hi point carbines loves them....handguns not so much but the carbines seem decent. plus you can get different stocks for them if you don't like the factory (i don't like the look of it)

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by lefty o

with your budget, and her size, and age, buy her a german shepherd. i would not trust a loved ones life to a cheap gun!

LOL

[JMcDonald]

Originally Posted by sell33

I have always heard that hi point has the best warranty you can get. the guy that owns the local gun shop always said if you buy one take the mag out and send it in first thing and it will be good as new when you get it back and they give you 2 new free mags....just an idea

Is this was a used one or even new? I am trying to decide between a local used one or a new one for $20 more. I know it should seem obvious, but the lifetime warranty is what keeps justifying the money saved. But, if I could send in the used clip and get two new ones (sounds too good to be true?), then that might sell it for it.

Originally Posted by sell33

Plus everyone i have talked to with the hi point carbines loves them....handguns not so much but the carbines seem decent.

That's what I keep hearing / seeing! Most of the local gun stores are sold out because everyone keeps buying them up with tax money, heh.

Originally Posted by sell33

plus you can get different stocks for them if you don't like the factory (i don't like the look of it)

Yeah, part of me wants the ATI stock but I am kindof scared off by fitment issues.