.45/70 is it worth it?? - Page 2

Rex in OTZ · 04-17-2008, 01:53 AM

a .45-70Govt or .30-30win or a 12ga slug gun barrel if you already have a turkey shot gun just swap the barrels.

sc928porsche · 04-18-2008, 04:20 AM

I picked up a "sporterized" siam mauser about 20 years ago that had been rebarreled in 45/70. The stock had been cut down and was pretty much a mess, but the rebarrel and bold work had been done correctly. Used it as a brush gun for many years and was very impressed with the way it knocked game down. I put a new stock on it and replaced the sights about 10 years ago and now it sits in the gun room and only taken out occasionally to move around some steel targets. For an old round, the 45/70 is still one of the best for brush!

matt760 · 04-18-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty o

.308 or 45/70 will both kill them fast. if your getting runners, you are not making great shots. upping the caliber will help, but practicing shooting would help more.

not making great shots? whats a great shot? i shot a deer at a hundred yards once with a 30-30. deer ran 80 yds. what do you think i found when i field dressed it? two lungs, a liver, stomach. everything but a heart. the heart had been completely exploded by the bullet. little chunks of it strewn about inside. my point--great shots dont always drop a deer on the spot. just because they run does'nt mean it was a bad shot. sometimes they just don't realize they are dead yet.

as for the 45-70 i shot one in an H & R Buffalo Classic. recoil wasn't bad at all. my ought 6 kicks twice as hard. the Buffalo classic is a heavy gun and has a long barrel that probly helps some and i dont know what loads i was shooting. but if they all kick like that i wouldnt worry a bit about the recoil. but i dont know what it'd be like in a Guide Gun or something like that. I'd like to have an Enfield converted to 45-70. almost bought one, bought a winchester 100 instead. wish i would've got the Enfield.

lefty o · 04-18-2008, 09:04 PM

you are correct, even a heart shot deer will run. i have never personally seen a heart shot animal go more than 40yds, and ive killed a bunch of 'em.

jiminpa · 04-20-2008, 09:09 PM

i shoot a ruger#1 in 45/70.i had a marlin 1895ss in the 45/70 but i didn't need those 3 extra shell weighing down the gun.one shot is all i ever needed.i use 300 hollows for deer,350's for moose,elk and bear.i put a 1.75x5 scope on mine,wide field of view.yes,it has a rainbow trajectory,but it also helped wipe out the buffalo in this country!!

Hotled · 04-20-2008, 09:53 PM

Heh call me a wuss but I use a Limbsaver on all my rifles in High calibers

mwatson · 04-23-2008, 04:23 PM

Allright, I shoot the new leverevolution in my Marlin 30-30 and it has made a new gun out of it. I guess I am a sissy but the recoil of the 45-70 is alot to me.
Mike

just_a_car · 04-24-2008, 02:34 AM

When I have the money to do so, I plan on purchasing the Marlin 1895 guide gun in .45/70, as pictured on page one. But I'm going to make sure it's got the compensator holes drilled next to the sight by the factory (not all come with it), as that short barrel should likely kick well.

mitch009 · 04-24-2008, 12:59 PM

I just got my marlin 45/70 1895 classic model in the other day, I almost got the guide gun but went with the classic model because of the pistol grip stock. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but hopefully tomorrow.

turner · 04-24-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitch009

I just got my marlin 45/70 1895 classic model in the other day, I almost got the guide gun but went with the classic model because of the pistol grip stock. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but hopefully tomorrow.

Mitch, Good luck with that 1895! I finally got to shoot a bit on Saturday after turkey hunting in the morning. Shot my new (to me) sporterized M98 .308, my M96 6.5x55 sporterized by Kimber and also my 8x57 mod 700 Classic. They all shot well, but the 6.5x55 did the best. Did you choose 300 or 405 grainers for your 45/70?

Big Tool · 04-24-2008, 05:51 PM

If you are looking for one of the 45-70's or 444marlin"my favorite" then check out the Marlin XLR guns.

Me and my dad both have them and they are very accurate. They also have very good recoil pads so you don't get beat up at all. The big bullets drop fast, but that can be accounted for easily. I have no problems keeping my .444 In the kill zone at 300yards.

mitch009 · 04-24-2008, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turner

Mitch, Good luck with that 1895! I finally got to shoot a bit on Saturday after turkey hunting in the morning. Shot my new (to me) sporterized M98 .308, my M96 6.5x55 sporterized by Kimber and also my 8x57 mod 700 Classic. They all shot well, but the 6.5x55 did the best. Did you choose 300 or 405 grainers for your 45/70?

turner- I bought some 300 grain rounds just to get the feel for the gun and get used to it, later on I will get some more powerful loads.

LiveToShoot · 04-24-2008, 09:09 PM

There's something about the old 45-70, beside the "catch your attention" recoil, powerful impact and great short-range accuracy that's delivered in the Marlin 1895 Guide, that makes for a versatile brush gun.

The bullet, all 300-500 grains, depending on the rifle you're shooting it through, means business with an ! right now.

Very wise advice from Nathan, about testing one out, just in case you don't want to deal with the recoil; which, as Sam pointed out so well, is comparable to 30-06 and .308 recoil in heavier bullets.

Warning...I did the test fire thing and got hooked on a 45-70.

Jimbo Indy · 04-25-2008, 02:47 PM

With the 1895G you can hand load the 300 gr. Nosler Partition or Sierra Pro-Hunter into the 2200 FPS range. Yeah, it kicks and roars but it does the job. Heavier solids will give more penetration but your hunting deer, not Bison or brown bear.

petemi · 04-29-2008, 12:45 PM

The only thing short range in the .45-70 is peoples mind set. Yes, it shoots a rainbow trajectory, but my pot of gold is a 3 inch group at 300 yards out of my Handi Rifle.

My Ruger M77 MKII .308 has taken at least a dozen deer. Only one went 75 yards. Most went down where they stood. You may want to look at what bullet you're shooting. Perhaps too much penetration and not enough expansion. I like Winchester Supreme Ballistic tips. They have performed well for me from 20 to 250 yards on whitetails.

sc928porsche · 05-17-2008, 12:05 AM

45-70 is a great round for using in the brush! Mine is a bolt action that I made from a siamese mauser with a 20" douglas bbl. Boom.......drop. As simple as that.

nathangdad · 05-17-2008, 10:23 AM

Have you considered the .35 Whelen or perhaps the wildcat
.338/06?

Rumbek · 05-20-2008, 01:20 AM

The 45-70 in a well built rifle Marlin, Winchester, is an excellent caliber capable of anything from light handloads for small game to heavy loads for Brown bear. One thing not mentioned here is the ability of the round to put game down consistently with very little meat damage. If your going to eat what you hunt it will let you eat more!!

Powderman · 05-20-2008, 02:18 AM

Heh....

Heh, heh......

You want some recoil?

Try THIS one on for size....

100% American Iron. Artistry in wood, steel and silver, if I may wax poetic.

Courtesy of C. Sharps Arms, Big Timber MT.

Caliber: 45-120 Sharps

Load shown:

500 gr. Lyman bullet, hand cast
120 gr. 1F Goex
.030 overpowder and sealer wads, with .060 grease cookie
Compressed load to: .650"

nathangdad · 05-20-2008, 02:45 AM

Yes, I do make a suggestion for all who wish to purchase calibers greater than .30-06 and those thinking of very light hunting rifles to try before they buy. I have seen a good many people arrive at the range only to
be unhappy with their gun after two or three shots.

It is common sense to do a little research before making a major purchase decision and, for many people, a new gun and/or scope is an expenditure for which they must truly plan and save.

I have no intention of ever ceasing to advise people to try before they buy certain calibers and certain weights in rifles.

04-17-2008, 01:53 AM	#21
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kotzebue, Alaska Posts: 439	Deer rifle's a .45-70Govt or .30-30win or a 12ga slug gun barrel if you already have a turkey shot gun just swap the barrels.

04-24-2008, 02:34 AM	#28
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,512	When I have the money to do so, I plan on purchasing the Marlin 1895 guide gun in .45/70, as pictured on page one. But I'm going to make sure it's got the compensator holes drilled next to the sight by the factory (not all come with it), as that short barrel should likely kick well. __________________

04-24-2008, 09:09 PM	#33
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	There's something about the old 45-70, beside the "catch your attention" recoil, powerful impact and great short-range accuracy that's delivered in the Marlin 1895 Guide, that makes for a versatile brush gun. The bullet, all 300-500 grains, depending on the rifle you're shooting it through, means business with an ! right now. Very wise advice from Nathan, about testing one out, just in case you don't want to deal with the recoil; which, as Sam pointed out so well, is comparable to 30-06 and .308 recoil in heavier bullets. Warning...I did the test fire thing and got hooked on a 45-70. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

05-17-2008, 10:23 AM	#37
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,437	Two other possibilities Have you considered the .35 Whelen or perhaps the wildcat .338/06?

05-20-2008, 02:45 AM	#40
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,437	To Irish Murphy Yes, I do make a suggestion for all who wish to purchase calibers greater than .30-06 and those thinking of very light hunting rifles to try before they buy. I have seen a good many people arrive at the range only to be unhappy with their gun after two or three shots. It is common sense to do a little research before making a major purchase decision and, for many people, a new gun and/or scope is an expenditure for which they must truly plan and save. I have no intention of ever ceasing to advise people to try before they buy certain calibers and certain weights in rifles.

04-18-2008, 04:20 AM	#22
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: living in Alabama now Posts: 239	I picked up a "sporterized" siam mauser about 20 years ago that had been rebarreled in 45/70. The stock had been cut down and was pretty much a mess, but the rebarrel and bold work had been done correctly. Used it as a brush gun for many years and was very impressed with the way it knocked game down. I put a new stock on it and replaced the sights about 10 years ago and now it sits in the gun room and only taken out occasionally to move around some steel targets. For an old round, the 45/70 is still one of the best for brush!

04-18-2008, 09:04 PM	#24
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,785	you are correct, even a heart shot deer will run. i have never personally seen a heart shot animal go more than 40yds, and ive killed a bunch of 'em.

04-20-2008, 09:09 PM	#25
jiminpa Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: mercer,co.pa Posts: 2	i shoot a ruger#1 in 45/70.i had a marlin 1895ss in the 45/70 but i didn't need those 3 extra shell weighing down the gun.one shot is all i ever needed.i use 300 hollows for deer,350's for moose,elk and bear.i put a 1.75x5 scope on mine,wide field of view.yes,it has a rainbow trajectory,but it also helped wipe out the buffalo in this country!!

04-20-2008, 09:53 PM	#26
Hotled Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 37	Heh call me a wuss but I use a Limbsaver on all my rifles in High calibers

04-23-2008, 04:23 PM	#27
mwatson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rogers, Arkansas Posts: 236	Allright, I shoot the new leverevolution in my Marlin 30-30 and it has made a new gun out of it. I guess I am a sissy but the recoil of the 45-70 is alot to me. Mike

04-24-2008, 12:59 PM	#29
mitch009 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: WA Posts: 125	I just got my marlin 45/70 1895 classic model in the other day, I almost got the guide gun but went with the classic model because of the pistol grip stock. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but hopefully tomorrow.

04-24-2008, 05:51 PM	#31
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 601	If you are looking for one of the 45-70's or 444marlin"my favorite" then check out the Marlin XLR guns. Me and my dad both have them and they are very accurate. They also have very good recoil pads so you don't get beat up at all. The big bullets drop fast, but that can be accounted for easily. I have no problems keeping my .444 In the kill zone at 300yards.

04-25-2008, 02:47 PM	#34
Jimbo Indy Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 69	With the 1895G you can hand load the 300 gr. Nosler Partition or Sierra Pro-Hunter into the 2200 FPS range. Yeah, it kicks and roars but it does the job. Heavier solids will give more penetration but your hunting deer, not Bison or brown bear.

04-29-2008, 12:45 PM	#35
petemi Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Engadine, Upper Peninsula, MI Posts: 90	The only thing short range in the .45-70 is peoples mind set. Yes, it shoots a rainbow trajectory, but my pot of gold is a 3 inch group at 300 yards out of my Handi Rifle. My Ruger M77 MKII .308 has taken at least a dozen deer. Only one went 75 yards. Most went down where they stood. You may want to look at what bullet you're shooting. Perhaps too much penetration and not enough expansion. I like Winchester Supreme Ballistic tips. They have performed well for me from 20 to 250 yards on whitetails.

05-17-2008, 12:05 AM	#36
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: living in Alabama now Posts: 239	45-70 is a great round for using in the brush! Mine is a bolt action that I made from a siamese mauser with a 20" douglas bbl. Boom.......drop. As simple as that.

05-20-2008, 01:20 AM	#38
Rumbek Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4	The 45-70 in a well built rifle Marlin, Winchester, is an excellent caliber capable of anything from light handloads for small game to heavy loads for Brown bear. One thing not mentioned here is the ability of the round to put game down consistently with very little meat damage. If your going to eat what you hunt it will let you eat more!!

05-20-2008, 02:18 AM	#39
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 129	Heh.... Heh, heh...... You want some recoil? Try THIS one on for size.... 100% American Iron. Artistry in wood, steel and silver, if I may wax poetic. Courtesy of C. Sharps Arms, Big Timber MT. Caliber: 45-120 Sharps Load shown: 500 gr. Lyman bullet, hand cast 120 gr. 1F Goex .030 overpowder and sealer wads, with .060 grease cookie Compressed load to: .650"