Looking at the Remington Model 700 - Page 2

Ron AKA · 04-16-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by joe90

I was looking at the Savage line for a little but after I talked to my uncle he seemed to just trust the Model 700 more than anything. I also wanted it to be a little bit of everything gun not just target or just hunting. But my Uncle was talking about match grade ammo that he used to use in SWAT and said that at 500 yards he could hit a clay piggion. So I was wondering if a .308 would be ok, or better than a 100 grain .270, for groundhogs and other things, not just deer. Thanks agin for the imput. It's helping a lot and opening new things for me to look into.

The .270 would be more suitable for varmints than the .308. You can load it down with lighter bullets. Getting an accurate gun is not as simple as selecting the cartridge. It is more about selecting the gun and the scope.

Ron

joe90 · 04-16-2008, 10:56 AM

Ok. So talking scopes. I'm not too savy when it comes to them and whats good and whats not. So what am I looking for if I go to the Outfitters store near me to look at scopes. What are the main things I should check. And Whats the difference between a normal scope and one that says LR (long range), They are the same Magnification. Also as I said before I would really like the Tactical Adjustment knobs I guess you'd call them. And all these 700's you guys are showing look really nice!
Thanks.

338RemUltraMag · 04-16-2008, 11:09 AM

Hey, I was in your shoes about 2 years ago, I suggest since you want to target shoot and hunt, get the model 700 sendero in .264 win mag it is what you are looking for as far as a gun. As far as a scope to put on your gun, I would pick a BSA 6x24 so you can shoot close for hunting and target shoot with 24x. here is a pic of the sendero
Remington Model 700™ Sendero® SF II Specifications

plus the 264 is way more accurate than a 308 with a lot more range.

joe90 · 04-16-2008, 11:27 AM

What is the size difference in the .308 and 264? and why is 308 the standard military sniper round if 264 is more accurate and more range? I will have to look into that. Thanks for the Idea cause I didn't know all that. Plus if I'm not wrong 264 is a pretty good varmint size..

338RemUltraMag · 04-16-2008, 11:40 AM

264 is a great varmint round and deer round the 264 cal is almost exclusively used in 1,000 yard competitons. The 264 is not much smaller than the 270 but has the power of the 300 win mag. and the military never makes sense on what they choose for sh*t they use a .223 remington for a man stopper... need i say more

sell33 · 04-16-2008, 11:42 AM

308 is known as a very accurate cartridge. That and it is short action. i believe that is why the military uses its for so much. it is a good sniper round out to around 1000 yards i believe. I'm no expert but there is a lot of info on the internet. Check ballistics of several different rounds and see which best fits your needs or wants. How long of target shooting do you plan on doing??

P.S. any centerfire round will kill a groundhog, I am sure any caliber you are looking for will do it just fine, there is basically no such thing as overkill on varmints

338RemUltraMag · 04-16-2008, 11:47 AM

yes the 308 will reach 1000 yds but so will the 22 lr, the 264 win mag gets there with less of a rainbow than the 308 there is about a 25-30 gr powder difference... not much more kick... plus it is in the sendero, ya know even remington said it will hit a 50 cent piece at 300 yds...

Ron AKA · 04-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe90

Ok. So talking scopes. I'm not too savy when it comes to them and whats good and whats not. So what am I looking for if I go to the Outfitters store near me to look at scopes. What are the main things I should check. And Whats the difference between a normal scope and one that says LR (long range), They are the same Magnification. Also as I said before I would really like the Tactical Adjustment knobs I guess you'd call them. And all these 700's you guys are showing look really nice!
Thanks.

Here are a few sites to check out to get up to speed on scopes:

SCOPES AND SPORT OPTICS, BINOCULARS, ACCESSORIES

The Shooting Sports Cheap Scope Page

Recommended Riflescopes

The Optics Talk Forums: SWFA Riflescope Rating Scale

You may want to look into the Mueller Tactical scopes. They have a strong following and are more reasonably priced.

Tactical Rifle Scopes*•*Mueller Optics

On the Sendero in 264WM I saw this glowing testimonial in another forum. I have two older 264's and they are a great long distance gun. For target shooting I think most would choose the 6.5-284 over it (6.5mm=.264" so same bullets), as the 264WM is a belted cartridge and apparantly is harder to headspace to match standards. My Remington 700 and the other gun a Browning, never shot a 5 shot group under 1" at 100 yards though - more like 1 1/4" to 1 1/2". Both have sporting barrels.

264 win mag -

If you want to learn about the details of the more hard core target cartridges this is a good site. Click on the different calibers at the top and you can get lots of info on each including how to load them for accuracy. The 308 and 6.5-284 are a couple of the ones covered. The .243 is a nice cartridge as well, unless you are going to be hunting game bigger than deer. The .243 is a 308 case necked down to .243".

6mmBR.com -- Best Guide to 6mm BR Rifle Shooting and 6BR Reloading

Ron

joe90 · 04-16-2008, 01:49 PM

Dang... Didn't know all of that. My friend just said my 270 was even too much for groundhog because of how heavy it is and how much it will drop.. and 338RemUltraMag do you mean the 308 has more kick or the 264 has more. and one last thing in this post. are there as many options in cartridges in 264 as there are in 308. from what I hear 308 has alot of different cartridges to choose from.

turner · 04-16-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by joe90

Dang... Didn't know all of that. My friend just said my 270 was even too much for groundhog because of how heavy it is and how much it will drop.. and 338RemUltraMag do you mean the 308 has more kick or the 264 has more. and one last thing in this post. are there as many options in cartridges in 264 as there are in 308. from what I hear 308 has alot of different cartridges to choose from.

The .308 will have slightly less kick than a .264 in most loadings. It is a MUCH more common round and known for years to be one of the most accurate rounds ever devised in quality rifles. There are likely more than 70 different commercial loadings available for the .308 and likely under 5 for the .264 made by major manufacturers. The .308 has excellent performance from a 22" barrel and .264 needs 24 or 26" to meet it's true potential. The .308 is made in nearly every type and model bolt gun sold today and the .264 in maybe two or three. The cost of ammunition will be far less for .308 and there are many places to buy bulk ammo for inexpensive practice.

soulracer · 04-16-2008, 02:22 PM

Look into the new Remington 700 VTR also..I just read about it in Shooting times, I think..seems pretty nice. MSRP is about 800. I'd like to get my hands on one for a day..

joe90 · 04-16-2008, 02:43 PM

I was looking at that and the SPS Varmint in the .308. But then people started talking of the 264 and it sounded like a god send. haha. and on that Mueller Tactical scope for like $200. Is that gonna come close to the quality of Leupolds scopes? just he price difference makes me wonder.

sell33 · 04-16-2008, 06:02 PM

I would probably stick with the 308 especially if it is your first rifle. Also think about saving some of that 1500-2000 from graduation/birthday for some ammo, you will probably want quite a bit to start out lol.

joe90 · 04-16-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

I would probably stick with the 308 especially if it is your first rifle. Also think about saving some of that 1500-2000 from graduation/birthday for some ammo, you will probably want quite a bit to start out lol.

Yeah. I was just thinking about that earlier today. And speaking of ammo. Does anyone have a preference on 308 cartridges for most accuracy for less. My uncle mentioned match grade ammo but that is like $35 per box of 20. And then me getting into reloading would be a whole other story.

sell33 · 04-16-2008, 09:19 PM

Just try several different types of factory ammo once you have your rifle, every rifle likes its own type of ammo so you should try several

Muddog · 04-16-2008, 11:05 PM

Joe90, that is my next buy, a quality rifle with quality glass that will be able to do everything I ask it to for years to come 2k and under. My choice would be a Rem700 XCR in 7mm-08, but a SPS stainless has a .308 available, the XCR doesn't. For a scope I was thinking a Nikon Monarch in 2.5-10x. Variable power definitely, you'll be able to lower magnification for those hunting trips and crank it up to try to shoot those clays 500 yards away(Even if you only hit them from 300 yards your doin' pretty good). I would buy an aftermarket stock for it though, since the XCR or SPS doesn't advertise any type of bedding, a Bell and Carlson is only a couple hundred extra.

I'm stuck on a stainless action as will stand up to the elements much better, another bonus if you keep this rifle as long as your old man has had his. I wouldn't want a heavy varmint barrel if I plan on carrying it in the field all day, it would be pretty heavy.

Nikon, Burris, higher-end Bushnells, and of course Leupolds come to mind for scopes, all are very good quality and a good scope is important.

The stock is nothing you will need, but a bedded action does make it a little more accurate.

A $650 rifle, a $350 scope and a boresnake, my high-school-level math makes for a hell of a setup and a whole bunch of range time. Thats my personal opinion, you have a lot of options and will get something your sure to like.

338RemUltraMag · 04-17-2008, 01:39 AM

well everyone thinks 308 winchester but in .308 cal I personally would choose the 300 WSM it is popping up all over the 1,000 yard competition and my 300 WSM shoots under .5 inch at 100 yards

joe90 · 04-17-2008, 05:44 AM

The varmint barrell isn't that much of an issue with weight... Cause I don't mind an extra pound for improved accuracy. And Muddog when you said bedding did you mean like glass bedding. Cause I know my uncle mentioned that.

338RemUltraMag · 04-17-2008, 11:16 AM

yes he was reffering to glass bedding pillar bedding, and shuch but think about the .300 WSM good round....

big boomer · 04-17-2008, 11:41 AM

You got tons of good advice from our learned forum people, I just wanted to mention one thing if you get a varmit model it means a heavier barrel, with is good for shooting but not so good for lugging for miles hunting. Think before you buy, of everything you want out of your rifle, and i think you will do well, both Reminton and Savage are great rifles. You may want to consider getting 2, one to target shoot, one to hunt with.

04-16-2008, 11:09 AM	#23
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199	Hey, I was in your shoes about 2 years ago, I suggest since you want to target shoot and hunt, get the model 700 sendero in .264 win mag it is what you are looking for as far as a gun. As far as a scope to put on your gun, I would pick a BSA 6x24 so you can shoot close for hunting and target shoot with 24x. here is a pic of the sendero Remington Model 700™ Sendero® SF II Specifications plus the 264 is way more accurate than a 308 with a lot more range. Last edited by 338RemUltraMag; 04-16-2008 at 11:11 AM.

04-16-2008, 11:42 AM	#26
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	308 is known as a very accurate cartridge. That and it is short action. i believe that is why the military uses its for so much. it is a good sniper round out to around 1000 yards i believe. I'm no expert but there is a lot of info on the internet. Check ballistics of several different rounds and see which best fits your needs or wants. How long of target shooting do you plan on doing?? P.S. any centerfire round will kill a groundhog, I am sure any caliber you are looking for will do it just fine, there is basically no such thing as overkill on varmints Last edited by sell33; 04-16-2008 at 11:43 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-16-2008, 02:22 PM	#31
soulracer Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 54 Images: 6	700 vtr Look into the new Remington 700 VTR also..I just read about it in Shooting times, I think..seems pretty nice. MSRP is about 800. I'd like to get my hands on one for a day..

04-16-2008, 10:56 AM	#22
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 142	Ok. So talking scopes. I'm not too savy when it comes to them and whats good and whats not. So what am I looking for if I go to the Outfitters store near me to look at scopes. What are the main things I should check. And Whats the difference between a normal scope and one that says LR (long range), They are the same Magnification. Also as I said before I would really like the Tactical Adjustment knobs I guess you'd call them. And all these 700's you guys are showing look really nice! Thanks.

04-16-2008, 11:27 AM	#24
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 142	What is the size difference in the .308 and 264? and why is 308 the standard military sniper round if 264 is more accurate and more range? I will have to look into that. Thanks for the Idea cause I didn't know all that. Plus if I'm not wrong 264 is a pretty good varmint size..

04-16-2008, 11:40 AM	#25
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199	264 is a great varmint round and deer round the 264 cal is almost exclusively used in 1,000 yard competitons. The 264 is not much smaller than the 270 but has the power of the 300 win mag. and the military never makes sense on what they choose for sh*t they use a .223 remington for a man stopper... need i say more

04-16-2008, 11:47 AM	#27
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199	yes the 308 will reach 1000 yds but so will the 22 lr, the 264 win mag gets there with less of a rainbow than the 308 there is about a 25-30 gr powder difference... not much more kick... plus it is in the sendero, ya know even remington said it will hit a 50 cent piece at 300 yds...

04-16-2008, 01:49 PM	#29
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 142	Dang... Didn't know all of that. My friend just said my 270 was even too much for groundhog because of how heavy it is and how much it will drop.. and 338RemUltraMag do you mean the 308 has more kick or the 264 has more. and one last thing in this post. are there as many options in cartridges in 264 as there are in 308. from what I hear 308 has alot of different cartridges to choose from.

04-16-2008, 02:43 PM	#32
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 142	I was looking at that and the SPS Varmint in the .308. But then people started talking of the 264 and it sounded like a god send. haha. and on that Mueller Tactical scope for like $200. Is that gonna come close to the quality of Leupolds scopes? just he price difference makes me wonder.

04-16-2008, 06:02 PM	#33
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	I would probably stick with the 308 especially if it is your first rifle. Also think about saving some of that 1500-2000 from graduation/birthday for some ammo, you will probably want quite a bit to start out lol.

04-16-2008, 09:19 PM	#35
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Just try several different types of factory ammo once you have your rifle, every rifle likes its own type of ammo so you should try several

04-16-2008, 11:05 PM	#36
Muddog Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 125	Joe90, that is my next buy, a quality rifle with quality glass that will be able to do everything I ask it to for years to come 2k and under. My choice would be a Rem700 XCR in 7mm-08, but a SPS stainless has a .308 available, the XCR doesn't. For a scope I was thinking a Nikon Monarch in 2.5-10x. Variable power definitely, you'll be able to lower magnification for those hunting trips and crank it up to try to shoot those clays 500 yards away(Even if you only hit them from 300 yards your doin' pretty good). I would buy an aftermarket stock for it though, since the XCR or SPS doesn't advertise any type of bedding, a Bell and Carlson is only a couple hundred extra. I'm stuck on a stainless action as will stand up to the elements much better, another bonus if you keep this rifle as long as your old man has had his. I wouldn't want a heavy varmint barrel if I plan on carrying it in the field all day, it would be pretty heavy. Nikon, Burris, higher-end Bushnells, and of course Leupolds come to mind for scopes, all are very good quality and a good scope is important. The stock is nothing you will need, but a bedded action does make it a little more accurate. A $650 rifle, a $350 scope and a boresnake, my high-school-level math makes for a hell of a setup and a whole bunch of range time. Thats my personal opinion, you have a lot of options and will get something your sure to like.

04-17-2008, 01:39 AM	#37
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199	well everyone thinks 308 winchester but in .308 cal I personally would choose the 300 WSM it is popping up all over the 1,000 yard competition and my 300 WSM shoots under .5 inch at 100 yards

04-17-2008, 05:44 AM	#38
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 142	The varmint barrell isn't that much of an issue with weight... Cause I don't mind an extra pound for improved accuracy. And Muddog when you said bedding did you mean like glass bedding. Cause I know my uncle mentioned that.

04-17-2008, 11:16 AM	#39
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199	yes he was reffering to glass bedding pillar bedding, and shuch but think about the .300 WSM good round....

04-17-2008, 11:41 AM	#40
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 942	You got tons of good advice from our learned forum people, I just wanted to mention one thing if you get a varmit model it means a heavier barrel, with is good for shooting but not so good for lugging for miles hunting. Think before you buy, of everything you want out of your rifle, and i think you will do well, both Reminton and Savage are great rifles. You may want to consider getting 2, one to target shoot, one to hunt with.