Looking at the Remington Model 700

[sell33]

If you get a heavy fluted barrel it won't be quite as heavy.....i think that sendero has that

[338RemUltraMag]

sell33 that is what i thought he described a rifle and the sendero matched it perfectly that is also why I said 264 win mag, because it is the smallest and lightest recoiling rifle of the chamberings, plus it is a great round, but if he wants a 300 remington ultra magnum more power to him... I love my 338 remington ultra mag but the recoil is a bit... how do i describe it "brisk" if ya know what i mean it is fine for me but for a beginning shooter it is (in my opinion) too much recoil, but he would not regret the rifle and if he does I will gladly buy it from him...

[FS00008]

Personally, I love my 700SPS in .308 WIN. Nothing wrong with that cartridge and there's quite a few available.

[joe90]

I would get 2 but I don't think I will have enough money to get both and scopes plus a good amount of rounds.

And I recently noticed the Model 700 VSF which has a heavy barrel with flutes. Does anyone know about this rifle. Also is there gonna be any really big difference between the Model 700 that is $1000+ and the on that is like $600

[sell33]

Originally Posted by 338RemUltraMag

sell33 that is what i thought he described a rifle and the sendero matched it perfectly that is also why I said 264 win mag, because it is the smallest and lightest recoiling rifle of the chamberings, plus it is a great round, but if he wants a 300 remington ultra magnum more power to him... I love my 338 remington ultra mag but the recoil is a bit... how do i describe it "brisk" if ya know what i mean it is fine for me but for a beginning shooter it is (in my opinion) too much recoil, but he would not regret the rifle and if he does I will gladly buy it from him...

Very true i have looked at the 264 and would love to have one...probably will some day. It seems to be an amazing round, also that sendero is very nice lol. I am also looking at 308 though, and i thought it more practical pricewise, but if hes got the money go for the 264, i just know i am broke and even 308 ammo would be expensive lol.

[joe90]

I was looking on Cabelas the other night for some 264 rounds and I only found like 1 or 2.. But I'm sure its a great gun and round. I just think for now the 308 is easiest for me.

[338RemUltraMag]

too each his own, I like hard to find sh!t gives me justification for all the reloading stuff i bought...

[rdale501]

Originally Posted by 338RemUltraMag

too each his own, I like hard to find sh!t gives me justification for all the reloading stuff i bought...

I do too. I have a 264 in Rem 700 and for a handgun how about a modle 57 S&W. It's a 41 Rem. mag. Both are good guns and slightly overlooked rounds. It is kind of fun having something most others don't. I almost always get into a conversation over one of these guns at the range.

[338RemUltraMag]

another good but overlooked one is the 32-30 better than the 30-30 but not near as famous. and the 35 remington but it still has a little popularity

[joe90]

Now if I were to look into reloading and get the 264 remington how much will the reloading stuff cost and how hard is it to reload?
I just was looking at the remington web page and saw the Model 700™ XCR™ Tactical Long Range. Model 700™ XCR™ Tactical Long Range and it is in 308. anyone know anything on it?

[Ron AKA]

Originally Posted by joe90

I was looking on Cabelas the other night for some 264 rounds and I only found like 1 or 2.. But I'm sure its a great gun and round. I just think for now the 308 is easiest for me.

You have to reload to make the 264WM a reasonable choice. I would suggest you take a bit of time and think about what you really want to do with the gun. On one hand you have the flat shooting hunting cartridges like the 264 where they have lots of power and speed, and for most game they can be sighted in so you can hold dead on out to almost 400 yards. You don't need fancy adjustable scopes or mounts to get your game, and most often you don't have the time to figure out how far it is, and how much you need to adjust,...

To see how the 308 compares to a flat shooting cartridge like the 264 and others see this thread. You will have to skip through a few pages, as I updated the charts as more suggestions came in.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/gen...idge-ever.html (Flattest Shooting Cartridge Ever)

Much different with target shooting, where most often you have all the time in the world to look at your data tables, adjust your scope,... In this situation the relatively meek 308, can do fine. It is like slow pitch baseball, but very predictable.

I think as I said earlier if game bigger than deer is not in the picture, and off the shelf cartridges are a preference, then I would go with a .243 Winchester. Great on varmints, can be used for target shooting, and does not turn your shoulder black and blue after a long day at the range. I would say the only knock on it may be is barrel life. 1500 rounds may be pushing it.

Ron

Originally Posted by joe90

Now if I were to look into reloading and get the 264 remington how much will the reloading stuff cost and how hard is it to reload?

You can get set up with some of the better Lee stuff for around $150. It is very easy if you take it seriously and understand what you are doing.

If you plan to target shoot, it makes good economics no matter what you choose. I gives you many more options to fine tune the accuracy. That said, I'm not sure the 264WM is the right choice for you, if I'm understanding your purpose. As in my other post, if you have no need for more power than a .243, I would start there and decide where to go.

Ron

[338RemUltraMag]

joe90 don't let reloading scare you from a really good rifle, if you get all of the things you need to reload then any gun you buy you can make CUSTOM loads for, believe me once you have a couple of guns you will want to load for them then it gets expensive to play catch-up when you have (like me) 12 guns to reload for. but go for what you can afford but remember if you want to do any serious target shooting you WILL have to reload...

[joe90]

As I said my dad has a Model 700 in 270 which I use for hunting right now, but I want my own rifle. It would be mostly for target shooting with probably one or two deer hunts a year (when I deer hunt I go with my uncle and cousin and sit on the tree line surrounding a field we have permission to hunt). I would like to start varmint hunting if I could find a place not too far away because it sounds like a lot of fun. I live in South Eastern PA not too far from Philly. So also if anyone know's any places to varmint hunt around here and a range that has maybe 300-400 yards.

I also didn't see the .243 in that other thread but what are some ups on that? This rifle will most likely be my target and varmint rifle (if I find a place to hunt). Also what can I hunt up to with a 243? Cause if worst comes to worst I can always use my dads 270 for deer season.

Thanks again for everyones help.

[lefty o]

the .243 is an excellent target/varmint/deer cartridge.

[joe90]

Is it juat as easy to find as the 308 and are there as many cartridges for it? and what was some one saying about bad barrel life? how would that barrel not last as long?

[lefty o]

the .243 is not a barrel burner.

[sell33]

There are plenty of factory loads for the 243 from varmints up to deer. I believe my next rifle will be a 243. it will take deer pretty easily with a well placed shot, no worries there. It also has very good ballistics out to 400+ yds. Barrel doesn't last as long because the round is hotter (faster), so it shortens barrel life a little bit, but not something i would be too worried about i don't think.

well there you go lefty knows his stuff

[338RemUltraMag]

well you live in southern pa so p-dogs are out if the question so you don't have to worry about burning out a barrel in one day, I live in cumberland md so i know all we have out here as varmints are the groundhogs and yotes, .243 is a good all around gun, but it is (in my opinion) a little weak for deer past 300 yards. You are already use to an 06 case(270) so go with a 25-06 great paper puncher and varmint round and plenty of knock down at 300 yards+ cant go wrong with a 100 gr bullet doing 3500+ fps 75 gr goin in the neighborhood of 3900 to 4000 fps perfect yote whistlepig medicine. plus the 25 is super accurate and you can load 120 gr for deer at about 3100 fps just my thoughts (final thoughts) b/c it is a popular round chambered in the rem 700

[joe90]

Thanks again. All of you are really helpfull and now I just have to wait till I have time to go to the outfitter near me to see which one feels the best and get a few extra opinions. Oh and on scopes... I know people say you get what you pay for so will a leopold for like $600-800 be alot better (stay zeroed better and clearer) that a mueller for 200-300? cause I know I could get a nice expensive scope that I could last forever and just keep passing it down rifles or should I start out lower?

[338RemUltraMag]

i have muellers on 4 of my rifles they are good scopes i like them hold up good on my 20 ga slug gun