Looking at the Remington Model 700 - Page 5

tbonecpk · 05-25-2008, 03:16 AM

Joe if you are hard pressed for a tactical synthetic stock I would also go to Custom rifles, fiberglass stocks, military and police training, tactical and competition gear, hunting accessories. and order one from there. Quite a few of their stocks are currently on rifles produced for the military.

joe90 · 05-25-2008, 11:49 PM

Thanks again! I just had my graduation party so now I have the money. I got a little over $2000. So I'm not sure if I'm gonna spend all of that yet, but my birthday (18th) is june 14th so I have a little more think time, and plus a little more money coming my way. Recently I have been looking at the Remington Model 700P (police) and the Remington Model 700SS 5r Milspec (a supposedly very accurate rifle in all the reviews I have read). If anyone has any opinions on these rifles. And I have realizes I will be more using this rifle for target and a little bit of hunting just because of school.

samuel · 05-26-2008, 06:00 AM

The .25-06 started as the .25-06 Neidner in 1920 and was factory chambered in 1969 by Remington.Factory loads just dont cut it because it was designed before the slower burning powders like 4350 and 4831 were available and didnt have much advantage over the .257rob.If you are considering this cal.you should be handloading to get the full potential of this cartridge.If you dont reload but want the high velocity/performance in .257cal you should go with the .257 Weatherby.If you are going to listen to all of this BS about barrel burners,maybe you should think of some other hobby altho I cant emagine what as even golf requires upgrading equipment.It really irritates me that every time a cartridge is mentioned that is capable of any velocity beyond bp capacities the next thing posted is all of these warnings about "BARREL BURNING"complete with websites to substantiate the fact that a barrel,if used can be burnt out.The truth is if you go out and shoot in some experiment for the sole purpose to see if you can burn a barrel out,you will definitly get your article to write out because by abusing the barrel you will definitly ruin it.On the other hand,with a minor amount of common sense and proper maintenance,the chances of burning a high velocity barrel out in your lifetime is very negligable.Don't let these long oratories and articles frighten you into missing out on one of the greatest pleasures ever put on this earth,Shooting a high velocity,flat shooting,long range cartridge.I say to hell with all of these posts about burning barrels,I am going to have fun. sam.

joe90 · 05-26-2008, 09:39 AM

The main reason I chose the .308 is because I talked to my uncle and he was saying that match grade ammo will be easiest to find for the 308 compaired to the 243 and other cartridges. Because I won't be reloading that fact about match grade ammo availability pushed me towards the 308.

Ron AKA · 05-26-2008, 10:34 AM

You are probably correct there. Suggest you look at Lapua and Norma for match ammo. They make them in more than 308, but 308 is probably the only common cartridge. The rest are specialty target cartridges.

Lapua: Rifle cartridges

Norma Precision

You will find however there is a price to this, and will quickly realize why people reload. Whatever you do, don't throw away that expensive Lapua and Norma brass. If nothing else you should be able to sell it.

Ron

joe90 · 05-26-2008, 05:01 PM

yeah. I will probably start reloading in a year or two. but for the moment I dont.

joe90 · 06-07-2008, 04:39 PM

So today I went and bought my rifle. I got in on GunBroker and will be getting it either next week or the following. I decided on the Remington 700 Mil Spec 308 5R. I can't wait to get it and I'll post to how it looks and shoots once I get it. I think I'm ordeing my scope tonight and I will be getting a Custom Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40mm LR with M1 turrets. The gun has gotten constant positive reviews and is supposed to be extremely accurate out of the box.

Aaronb2245 · 06-10-2008, 02:26 AM

Wow looks like my post was way behind the power curve so I removed it......since you have blown all your grad money on the rifle why don't you run out and get yourself a book on ballistics (utilizing the ability of that rifle isn't like your video games) since I'm 98% sure you have no idea what you are doing with such a rifle.........

Ow and since there were only like 500 of the 5r's made and you have a little over 2k to spend please tell me how you bought a rifle that is going for close to 2k along with a scope that cost almost 1k.....just curious

joe90 · 06-10-2008, 11:05 PM

Ok. I will take that. But first it was not 2k it was 1k. And half the rifles I was looking at were the same price. And I had been looking at it for a while and I went to my local gun shop (who didn't have the 5r and knew I wasn't buying it from them) and they highly recommended it. It is a rifle that now is way past what I can shoot but is something that will last me a really long time and something that I will not need to buy a rifle when I get better and more into shooting. and the scope is not 1k. And it was highly recommended by my uncle who was a SWAT sniper who I highly look up to and trust his advice. I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way with my choice.

Aaronb2245 · 06-11-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by joe90

Ok. I will take that. But first it was not 2k it was 1k. And half the rifles I was looking at were the same price. And I had been looking at it for a while and I went to my local gun shop (who didn't have the 5r and knew I wasn't buying it from them) and they highly recommended it. It is a rifle that now is way past what I can shoot but is something that will last me a really long time and something that I will not need to buy a rifle when I get better and more into shooting. and the scope is not 1k. And it was highly recommended by my uncle who was a SWAT sniper who I highly look up to and trust his advice. I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way with my choice.

No you didn't insult me at all, and I'm sorry to seem so crude. You have made an excellent choice with the purchase. I'm just sick and tired of reading on the internet of the young ppl that play these video games and think they have to have a "sniper" rifle when they know nothing of utilizing the effectiveness of such a tool (and need nothing like the such for hunting). I apologize for placing you in that same category with out such evidence to do so...lol I guess I was in a bad mood when I made the post (watched to many youtube videos to support the idea). Seriously do get a book on ballistics and learn about what you can do with such a fine accurate rifle! GL and enjoy the heck out of that thing!

joe90 · 06-11-2008, 06:11 PM

Thanks. And another reason I picked the 5r is because it is also going to be a target rifle for me, I'm looking at a club kinda close to me now that has a range out to 600 yrds and might even do some competitions when I get really good with it.

Mike Franklin · 06-11-2008, 06:49 PM

Here's a sniper trick I haven't seen posted here. Using a man sized silhouette, put the silhouette at the diiferent ranges you can actually hit at. Like 100, 200, 300, 400 yards and so onto the maximun range for you and your gun. Now on an index card show the same slihouettes at the size they appear through your scope, each with the range beside'm. Now put the card under plastic or another waterproofing cover. Tape this to the off side of your stock. If you're looking at a standing man through your scope you can compare him to the silhouettes on the card to get a good idea of how far away he is. It's not perfect but is pretty good. This also works at hunting ranges with silhouetes of deer, moose or whatever. Do remember that sniping ranges are not the same as hunting ranges. I might not mind wounding an 'enemy'(name your own) but do not want to wound game.

joe90 · 06-11-2008, 07:31 PM

thats an interesting one. i never thought of doing that. also. I didn't buy the scope yet. but is the extra $100 for mil dot worth it for the purpose of being able to range things when hunting

also. for the scope. is it worth the extra $80 for a 6.5-20x magnification compared to a 4.5-14x?

Ron AKA · 06-11-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe90

thats an interesting one. i never thought of doing that. also. I didn't buy the scope yet. but is the extra $100 for mil dot worth it for the purpose of being able to range things when hunting

also. for the scope. is it worth the extra $80 for a 6.5-20x magnification compared to a 4.5-14x?

Joe, it has been a while since I jumped into this thread, but I recall you are into tactical style guns? The mildot is the classical tactical type of reticle. It is difficult to use, and requires a lot of mental gymnastics to account for the zoom setting and the actual distance. Tactical guys do that well.

For shooting game the more practical type of reticle is likely the ballistic style. The difference is that the dots are not equally spaced. It was designed for the common cartridges, and requires you to remember what the marks mean, but can be a bit simpler to use. See this info from Burris on that style. You will also find mildot infor there too.

Burris Reticles

Ron

telkev · 06-11-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe90

thats an interesting one. i never thought of doing that. also. I didn't buy the scope yet. but is the extra $100 for mil dot worth it for the purpose of being able to range things when hunting

also. for the scope. is it worth the extra $80 for a 6.5-20x magnification compared to a 4.5-14x?

The higher mag. scopes are worth it if you are going to do a lot of target shooting. They can be a hinderance while hunting, depending on what ranges your game will normally be taken. Leupold scopes are good scopes, but there are a lot of better scopes for less money. You can buy a good hunting scope like a burris with the ballistic recticle for hunting and a high mag. scope for target shooting for less than the cost you will pay for the lupy. I would rather have 2 scopes anyday. Before you pay the money for the lupy, check out the sightrons, bushnell elites, burris, and ziess conquest. You will find that most of these will be brighter and cheaper than the lupy.

joe90 · 06-11-2008, 10:54 PM

Between the Burris Black Diamond, the Sightron Series III and the Leupold VX-III. Which is best in your opinion? Clearest, brightest... and what are good mounts?

telkev · 06-11-2008, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe90

Between the Burris Black Diamond, the Sightron Series III and the Leupold VX-III. Which is best in your opinion? Clearest, brightest... and what are good mounts?

I don't know about the sightron SIII. I have a SII. I have 2 Burris black diamond 4-16 and a lupy vxIII 3.5-10, sightron SII 3-9. The burris is the brightest of the 3, then sightron, then lupy. I use the burris more for hunting because of the brightness that they have. All are good scopes. A bushnell elite 4200 is about equal to the sightron. Its all just personal preference. I would buy any one of these or a ziess conquest before I bought another lupy. Just my opinion. I try to find the best value for the dollar.

As for mounts, depends on whether or not the scope will be put on the rifle and left there. If so, burris dual dove-tail mounts with burris signature dual dove-tail rings. If you are going to swap scope on the rifle often for target shooting, get a picannty rail and burris tactical rings.

joe90 · 06-12-2008, 04:15 AM

ok. yeah. it is pretty much going to stay on the one rifle. just want some quality mounts that wont move around. thanks for the imput. the burris looks really nice and has everything I want on it. Thanks.

.280Rem · 06-13-2008, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe90

So today I went and bought my rifle. I got in on GunBroker and will be getting it either next week or the following. I decided on the Remington 700 Mil Spec 308 5R. I can't wait to get it and I'll post to how it looks and shoots once I get it. I think I'm ordeing my scope tonight and I will be getting a Custom Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40mm LR with M1 turrets. The gun has gotten constant positive reviews and is supposed to be extremely accurate out of the box.

Although it would not be my personal pref for this particular rig (only because I'm not a target shooter), you've got yourself a nice starting rig for what you want to do. I'm glad to see you went with the Loopy too. You wont be sorry. If you didn't spend all your money, save some back. It should be accurate right out of the box, but since your new, if it needs some trigger work, or bedding, you'll want a competent smith to do it. It'll almost certainly need the trigger adjusted. That's easy and inexpensive, but I recommend you let some that knows what their doing do it.

joe90 · 06-13-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by .280Rem

Although it would not be my personal pref for this particular rig (only because I'm not a target shooter), you've got yourself a nice starting rig for what you want to do. I'm glad to see you went with the Loopy too. You wont be sorry. If you didn't spend all your money, save some back. It should be accurate right out of the box, but since your new, if it needs some trigger work, or bedding, you'll want a competent smith to do it. It'll almost certainly need the trigger adjusted. That's easy and inexpensive, but I recommend you let some that knows what their doing do it.

It has an XMARK adjustable trigger. Supposedly they are easy to adjust but when I go to pick the gun up on monday I will ask the guy at the store about it.

On a side note. Where is a good place to find match ammo. the store near me sells some different types but they didn't say they have the sierra match ammo, which I heard was really good and usually shoots well from the 5r.

05-25-2008, 03:16 AM	#81
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 1,590 Blog Entries: 2	Joe if you are hard pressed for a tactical synthetic stock I would also go to Custom rifles, fiberglass stocks, military and police training, tactical and competition gear, hunting accessories. and order one from there. Quite a few of their stocks are currently on rifles produced for the military. __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

05-26-2008, 06:00 AM	#83
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	The .25-06 started as the .25-06 Neidner in 1920 and was factory chambered in 1969 by Remington.Factory loads just dont cut it because it was designed before the slower burning powders like 4350 and 4831 were available and didnt have much advantage over the .257rob.If you are considering this cal.you should be handloading to get the full potential of this cartridge.If you dont reload but want the high velocity/performance in .257cal you should go with the .257 Weatherby.If you are going to listen to all of this BS about barrel burners,maybe you should think of some other hobby altho I cant emagine what as even golf requires upgrading equipment.It really irritates me that every time a cartridge is mentioned that is capable of any velocity beyond bp capacities the next thing posted is all of these warnings about "BARREL BURNING"complete with websites to substantiate the fact that a barrel,if used can be burnt out.The truth is if you go out and shoot in some experiment for the sole purpose to see if you can burn a barrel out,you will definitly get your article to write out because by abusing the barrel you will definitly ruin it.On the other hand,with a minor amount of common sense and proper maintenance,the chances of burning a high velocity barrel out in your lifetime is very negligable.Don't let these long oratories and articles frighten you into missing out on one of the greatest pleasures ever put on this earth,Shooting a high velocity,flat shooting,long range cartridge.I say to hell with all of these posts about burning barrels,I am going to have fun. sam. Last edited by samuel; 05-26-2008 at 06:03 AM.

06-10-2008, 02:26 AM	#88
Aaronb2245 Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 68	Wow looks like my post was way behind the power curve so I removed it......since you have blown all your grad money on the rifle why don't you run out and get yourself a book on ballistics (utilizing the ability of that rifle isn't like your video games) since I'm 98% sure you have no idea what you are doing with such a rifle......... Ow and since there were only like 500 of the 5r's made and you have a little over 2k to spend please tell me how you bought a rifle that is going for close to 2k along with a scope that cost almost 1k.....just curious Last edited by Aaronb2245; 06-10-2008 at 06:07 PM.

06-11-2008, 06:49 PM	#92
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	Here's a sniper trick I haven't seen posted here. Using a man sized silhouette, put the silhouette at the diiferent ranges you can actually hit at. Like 100, 200, 300, 400 yards and so onto the maximun range for you and your gun. Now on an index card show the same slihouettes at the size they appear through your scope, each with the range beside'm. Now put the card under plastic or another waterproofing cover. Tape this to the off side of your stock. If you're looking at a standing man through your scope you can compare him to the silhouettes on the card to get a good idea of how far away he is. It's not perfect but is pretty good. This also works at hunting ranges with silhouetes of deer, moose or whatever. Do remember that sniping ranges are not the same as hunting ranges. I might not mind wounding an 'enemy'(name your own) but do not want to wound game. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

06-11-2008, 07:31 PM	#93
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	thats an interesting one. i never thought of doing that. also. I didn't buy the scope yet. but is the extra $100 for mil dot worth it for the purpose of being able to range things when hunting also. for the scope. is it worth the extra $80 for a 6.5-20x magnification compared to a 4.5-14x? Last edited by joe90; 06-11-2008 at 08:36 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-25-2008, 11:49 PM	#82
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	Thanks again! I just had my graduation party so now I have the money. I got a little over $2000. So I'm not sure if I'm gonna spend all of that yet, but my birthday (18th) is june 14th so I have a little more think time, and plus a little more money coming my way. Recently I have been looking at the Remington Model 700P (police) and the Remington Model 700SS 5r Milspec (a supposedly very accurate rifle in all the reviews I have read). If anyone has any opinions on these rifles. And I have realizes I will be more using this rifle for target and a little bit of hunting just because of school.

05-26-2008, 09:39 AM	#84
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	The main reason I chose the .308 is because I talked to my uncle and he was saying that match grade ammo will be easiest to find for the 308 compaired to the 243 and other cartridges. Because I won't be reloading that fact about match grade ammo availability pushed me towards the 308.

05-26-2008, 10:34 AM	#85
Ron AKA Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 704	You are probably correct there. Suggest you look at Lapua and Norma for match ammo. They make them in more than 308, but 308 is probably the only common cartridge. The rest are specialty target cartridges. Lapua: Rifle cartridges Norma Precision You will find however there is a price to this, and will quickly realize why people reload. Whatever you do, don't throw away that expensive Lapua and Norma brass. If nothing else you should be able to sell it. Ron

05-26-2008, 05:01 PM	#86
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	yeah. I will probably start reloading in a year or two. but for the moment I dont.

06-07-2008, 04:39 PM	#87
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	So today I went and bought my rifle. I got in on GunBroker and will be getting it either next week or the following. I decided on the Remington 700 Mil Spec 308 5R. I can't wait to get it and I'll post to how it looks and shoots once I get it. I think I'm ordeing my scope tonight and I will be getting a Custom Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40mm LR with M1 turrets. The gun has gotten constant positive reviews and is supposed to be extremely accurate out of the box.

06-10-2008, 11:05 PM	#89
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	Ok. I will take that. But first it was not 2k it was 1k. And half the rifles I was looking at were the same price. And I had been looking at it for a while and I went to my local gun shop (who didn't have the 5r and knew I wasn't buying it from them) and they highly recommended it. It is a rifle that now is way past what I can shoot but is something that will last me a really long time and something that I will not need to buy a rifle when I get better and more into shooting. and the scope is not 1k. And it was highly recommended by my uncle who was a SWAT sniper who I highly look up to and trust his advice. I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way with my choice.

06-11-2008, 06:11 PM	#91
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	Thanks. And another reason I picked the 5r is because it is also going to be a target rifle for me, I'm looking at a club kinda close to me now that has a range out to 600 yrds and might even do some competitions when I get really good with it.

06-11-2008, 10:54 PM	#96
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	Between the Burris Black Diamond, the Sightron Series III and the Leupold VX-III. Which is best in your opinion? Clearest, brightest... and what are good mounts?

06-12-2008, 04:15 AM	#98
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 144	ok. yeah. it is pretty much going to stay on the one rifle. just want some quality mounts that wont move around. thanks for the imput. the burris looks really nice and has everything I want on it. Thanks.