Which Short Mag

wily1 · 04-20-2008, 12:25 PM

Well I have made up my mind to purchase a short mag but trying to make up my mind to what caliber. I live in Manitoba and hunt primarily for deer, but elk and moose are both close by for hunting. I was thinking the .300 WSM but was wondering if it would be overkill for deer. My buddy suggested the .270 WSM. I know lots of elk and moose have been taken with just the normal .270 I just want to know what the general opinion is. Take in mind that I reload my own ammo and have my heart set on a Tikka T3 which comes in both calibers and has dropped down to $649.00 Cdn (used to be close to $800.00).

7mmremmag1995 · 04-20-2008, 12:31 PM

the 300 WSM would be my pick but both will do

turner · 04-20-2008, 03:52 PM

I agree with 7MMRemmag1995, The .300WSM might be a tad more than what's necessary(?) for deer, but it's simply a souped up '06. I think it would be great for your needs, I used to own a T-3 SS/Lam in .300WSM and it's a very nice rifle. If it doesn't bother you to shoot it...go for it! So you know, the T-3 in .300WSM and .300WinMag is exactly the same rifle, same action size. There's no S/A in a T-3.

wily1 · 04-20-2008, 05:34 PM

Well the SIR Catalog I have shows the .300 Win Mag, .270 WSM and the .300 WSM for the Tikka T3 as well as their website. I think they just added the Short Mags to their line up last year, as the Fall 2007 SIR Catalog was the first time I saw the T3 in the Short Mag. I am still leaning towards the .300 WSM as you can load a heavier bullet for bigger game.

Ron AKA · 04-20-2008, 05:39 PM

I would go with the standard 270 which is $599 at SIR. But if you have to go bigger then the 270 WSM is a better choice than the 300 WSM. The 270 WSM is more than enough so that makes the 300 WSM much more than enough.

Ron

vikingpreacher · 04-20-2008, 05:44 PM

The 300. It will work fine for deer. Do you need to carry that much gun, NO, but many people kill deer with 300 Wby.'s and 300 RUM's. Plus it is muck better for the Elk but for Moose it is a ton better than the 270.

Ron AKA · 04-20-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wily1

Well the SIR Catalog I have shows the .300 Win Mag, .270 WSM and the .300 WSM for the Tikka T3 as well as their website. I think they just added the Short Mags to their line up last year, as the Fall 2007 SIR Catalog was the first time I saw the T3 in the Short Mag. I am still leaning towards the .300 WSM as you can load a heavier bullet for bigger game.

Because they offer the caliber it does not necessarily mean they have a shorter action. They may be putting the short cartridge in a longer action. Don't know in the Tikkas. I like Savage and Remington. Also consider that big game does not necessarily require a big heavy bullet. Those loading up their 30-06 with 220 grains are just handicaping themselves going into the bush. 140-150 grain is lots, and still probably too much for deer.

Ron

wily1 · 04-20-2008, 06:17 PM

I am not really worried about the action size just the caliber!!!!

okami515 · 04-20-2008, 06:49 PM

I would go with the 300, since you are going to be reloading. you have more bullet choices in 30 cal vs the 270. But that is just my opinion.

turner · 04-20-2008, 07:26 PM

Seems like there are a couple of questions... I bought my T-3 in .300WSM in 05 for a trip to Idaho. I never realised at that time that Tikas were only made in one length...thought I was savin' some length/weight. No biggie as the .300WSM equals the .300Win mag in most all loadings. I only mentioned that fact, in case you were buying the WSM to save weight or length. Look at their web site and you'll see they are the same weight and length. Good Luck!

wily1 · 04-20-2008, 08:29 PM

yep Turner I understand what you are talking about now, I'm not really too concerned about the bit of extra weight.....after carrying a C9 (the US M249 SAW) in my army (reserve) days anything seems light........I thought maybe you meant that the T3 wasn't available in the 300 WSM an oversight on my part

Magnumsrule · 04-20-2008, 09:55 PM

Why not split the difference and go with a 7mm wsm? But then i see that Tikka does not offer one......

AKHunter · 04-20-2008, 10:40 PM

Personaly I wouldn't be interested in a wsm of any caliber but, I would suggest the .300wsm for reasons already stated. A huge selection of bullets and greater capability for larger than deer game should the chance arise.

lefty o · 04-20-2008, 11:28 PM

i love both of my 270WSM's and would have no issue using them on elk. for large bull moose, i would opt for a 300.

338RemUltraMag · 04-21-2008, 12:58 PM

I personally have and shoot a .300 WSM does whonders on deer (bang, flop) I havn't looked but do they have it in 325 WSM? that would be my choice for elk and moose if they are a factor but if not I am a strong believer in the .300 WSM should do anything you ask it of.

Oh what a company doesn't tell ya about a rifle is the barrel length is actually from the bottom of the case forward it does not start at the rifling so the shorter the round in the barrel the more actual length you get for rifling... just an after thought

lefty o · 04-21-2008, 10:10 PM

its common knowledge that barrel length is measured from the breech face.

338RemUltraMag · 04-22-2008, 11:40 AM

oh i didn't know it was "Common Knowledge" thought i was helping....

04-20-2008, 12:25 PM	#1
wily1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brandon, Manitoba Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (0)	Which Short Mag Well I have made up my mind to purchase a short mag but trying to make up my mind to what caliber. I live in Manitoba and hunt primarily for deer, but elk and moose are both close by for hunting. I was thinking the .300 WSM but was wondering if it would be overkill for deer. My buddy suggested the .270 WSM. I know lots of elk and moose have been taken with just the normal .270 I just want to know what the general opinion is. Take in mind that I reload my own ammo and have my heart set on a Tikka T3 which comes in both calibers and has dropped down to $649.00 Cdn (used to be close to $800.00).

04-20-2008, 12:31 PM	#2
7mmremmag1995 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,275 Trader Rating: (0)	the 300 WSM would be my pick but both will do __________________ Just LeDoux it

04-20-2008, 05:44 PM	#6
vikingpreacher Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 269 Trader Rating: (0)	The 300. It will work fine for deer. Do you need to carry that much gun, NO, but many people kill deer with 300 Wby.'s and 300 RUM's. Plus it is muck better for the Elk but for Moose it is a ton better than the 270. __________________ Join the cartridge comparisons group! http://gunandgame.com/forums/group.php?groupid=3

04-20-2008, 07:26 PM	#10
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (0)	Seems like there are a couple of questions... I bought my T-3 in .300WSM in 05 for a trip to Idaho. I never realised at that time that Tikas were only made in one length...thought I was savin' some length/weight. No biggie as the .300WSM equals the .300Win mag in most all loadings. I only mentioned that fact, in case you were buying the WSM to save weight or length. Look at their web site and you'll see they are the same weight and length. Good Luck! Last edited by turner; 04-20-2008 at 07:28 PM.

04-20-2008, 09:55 PM	#12
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	Why not split the difference and go with a 7mm wsm? But then i see that Tikka does not offer one...... __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

04-20-2008, 03:52 PM	#3
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (0)	I agree with 7MMRemmag1995, The .300WSM might be a tad more than what's necessary(?) for deer, but it's simply a souped up '06. I think it would be great for your needs, I used to own a T-3 SS/Lam in .300WSM and it's a very nice rifle. If it doesn't bother you to shoot it...go for it! So you know, the T-3 in .300WSM and .300WinMag is exactly the same rifle, same action size. There's no S/A in a T-3.

04-20-2008, 05:34 PM	#4
wily1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brandon, Manitoba Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (0)	Well the SIR Catalog I have shows the .300 Win Mag, .270 WSM and the .300 WSM for the Tikka T3 as well as their website. I think they just added the Short Mags to their line up last year, as the Fall 2007 SIR Catalog was the first time I saw the T3 in the Short Mag. I am still leaning towards the .300 WSM as you can load a heavier bullet for bigger game.

04-20-2008, 05:39 PM	#5
Ron AKA Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 704 Trader Rating: (0)	I would go with the standard 270 which is $599 at SIR. But if you have to go bigger then the 270 WSM is a better choice than the 300 WSM. The 270 WSM is more than enough so that makes the 300 WSM much more than enough. Ron

04-20-2008, 06:17 PM	#8
wily1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brandon, Manitoba Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (0)	I am not really worried about the action size just the caliber!!!!

04-20-2008, 06:49 PM	#9
okami515 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0)	I would go with the 300, since you are going to be reloading. you have more bullet choices in 30 cal vs the 270. But that is just my opinion.

04-20-2008, 08:29 PM	#11
wily1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brandon, Manitoba Posts: 173 Trader Rating: (0)	yep Turner I understand what you are talking about now, I'm not really too concerned about the bit of extra weight.....after carrying a C9 (the US M249 SAW) in my army (reserve) days anything seems light........I thought maybe you meant that the T3 wasn't available in the 300 WSM an oversight on my part

04-20-2008, 10:40 PM	#13
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 904 Trader Rating: (0)	Personaly I wouldn't be interested in a wsm of any caliber but, I would suggest the .300wsm for reasons already stated. A huge selection of bullets and greater capability for larger than deer game should the chance arise.

04-20-2008, 11:28 PM	#14
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	i love both of my 270WSM's and would have no issue using them on elk. for large bull moose, i would opt for a 300.

04-21-2008, 12:58 PM	#15
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (0)	I personally have and shoot a .300 WSM does whonders on deer (bang, flop) I havn't looked but do they have it in 325 WSM? that would be my choice for elk and moose if they are a factor but if not I am a strong believer in the .300 WSM should do anything you ask it of. Oh what a company doesn't tell ya about a rifle is the barrel length is actually from the bottom of the case forward it does not start at the rifling so the shorter the round in the barrel the more actual length you get for rifling... just an after thought Last edited by 338RemUltraMag; 04-21-2008 at 01:00 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-21-2008, 10:10 PM	#16
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	its common knowledge that barrel length is measured from the breech face.

04-22-2008, 11:40 AM	#17
338RemUltraMag Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cumberland, MD USA Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (0)	oh i didn't know it was "Common Knowledge" thought i was helping....