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Old 05-05-2008, 02:41 AM   #121
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Ok this is my opinion for the Zen Battle Rifle. We allready have it. It's called the M14. All it needs is a new stock and there is one that would fit the job it's called the sage stock. The problem with the production M14 is that the elbow of the stock gives it a natural pivot point while being fired in full auto and also it's mutch heavier. the sage stock fixes this problem because there is no bend no pivot point. all the recoil is going into the user's shoulder making it easier to control under full auto. It also reduces the weight because it is made of aluminum. The stock also has the quad rail system allowing full customization that the M16 family of rifles have enjoyed for the past decade or more. here's a link if you wish to check it out.

The SAGA of the SAGE M14 EBR stock

also the 7.62Nato/.308 Winchester has the punch that the .223 lacks and if I remember correctly is superior to the 7.62x39 because it is a much more consistant round than the soviet counterpart and the rifle itself has an effective range of out to 600 yards versus the M16 at 200 yards or Ak-47 at around 150 yards.
It's off topic but that stock does look interesting.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:45 AM   #122
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also the 7.62Nato/.308 Winchester has the punch that the .223 lacks and if I remember correctly is superior to the 7.62x39 because it is a much more consistant round than the soviet counterpart and the rifle itself has an effective range of out to 600 yards versus the M16 at 200 yards or Ak-47 at around 150 yards.
I don't know what you mean by "more consistent" round. The .308 is much more powerful than the 7.62x39 with a 60gr heavier bullet and 600fps muzzle velocity, it has 80% more energy at the muzzle. The two are not even comparable.

As for the M-16 and the 5.56 NATO, according to the military, has a maximum effective range of 550 meters. That's a greater effective range than the 7.62x39.

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LMFAO .280 your to much man chill out. I think mosins are ugly too, but come on man really? You can continue receiving the beatings if you want, I have been laughing now for 30 min.

Yes I said they are ugly. I also like the remington 700. Some guys like red heads some like blonds, and neither is wrong. I like AK's and AR's as well as fine hunting platforms.

Also .280 your responses = sphincter holeness so if the responses hurt your feelings well you started it.
Hurt my feelings? You gotta be kidding me you sphincter hole! Seriously, you read this thread and think it's me that got my feelings hurt? ROFLMAO!

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Old 05-05-2008, 02:19 PM   #123
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Gentlemen, cool your heels. And .280, if you dislike Mosins so much, then please stop posting in this thread, because you are just stirring the pot. It's one thing to start a debate, it's another thing to throw around childish remarks, and to make an a$$ out of yourself.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:19 PM   #124
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Gentlemen, cool your heels. And .280, if you dislike Mosins so much, then please stop posting in this thread, because you are just stirring the pot. It's one thing to start a debate, it's another thing to throw around childish remarks, and to make an a$$ out of yourself.
If you care to, you'll see that I'd moved on to a substantive discussion. meatloaf thought he needed to call me a "sphincter hole", so I gave it back. Again, I'll post where I like. Anybody else wants to "beat on me" as meatloaf likes to call it for expressing a solicited opinion, I'll be glad to discuss it with them as long as they want. If they want to move past my dislike for the MN's like I had tried to do, then I'm willing to go that route too. It matters not to me.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:23 PM   #125
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^ i agree lets just move on.... no point in this bickering back and forth like this. now what the heck was the topic again!?!??
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:24 PM   #126
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:27 PM   #127
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thats right trolls was the topic......i like the ones with the crazy hair from the 80s, but the ones under the bridges scare the crap out of me.....
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:28 PM   #128
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I guess it was whats the big deal with Mosins. Looks like some love them and some hate them. Some just like them and some dislike them. Some are curious about them. Some aren't. Some are trying to prove a point bad or good about Mosin-Nagant rifles. And some are out to insult each other. Think that about sums this thread up.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:38 PM   #129
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I likes MY Mosin, FWIW.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:40 PM   #130
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I likes MY Mosin, FWIW.
i likes both my mosins as well.... and whats FWIW?!
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:43 PM   #131
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Well IMHO I think you would be SOL if you DKS about FWIW.
FWIW. Oh and I likes my 8 or 9 or however many it is Mosins too.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:45 PM   #132
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:51 PM   #133
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:55 PM   #134
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OHHH ^ thanks rondog!! my brainwas starting to hurt!
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:34 AM   #135
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I don't know what you mean by "more consistent" round. The .308 is much more powerful than the 7.62x39 with a 60gr heavier bullet and 600fps muzzle velocity, it has 80% more energy at the muzzle. The two are not even comparable.

As for the M-16 and the 5.56 NATO, according to the military, has a maximum effective range of 550 meters. That's a greater effective range than the 7.62x39.



Hurt my feelings? You gotta be kidding me you sphincter hole! Seriously, you read this thread and think it's me that got my feelings hurt? ROFLMAO!
yeah I think your feelings are hurt, and you sir are the one I am laughing at please keep it up. By the way I could care less I was only stating my opinion on your posts, also you state "you americans" where are you from? You have alamamba university as your avatar. Aparently you like us, so whats the deal?

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Old 05-06-2008, 06:15 AM   #136
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yeah I think your feelings are hurt, and you sir are the one I am laughing at please keep it up. By the way I could care less I was only stating my opinion on your posts, also you state "you americans" where are you from? You have alamamba university as your avatar. Aparently you like us, so whats the deal?


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LOL, YOU sir are one of the ones I'm laughing at pimping $100 Russian Military surplus rifles!

Well, just so you know, nobody on the net is capable of hurting my feelings. If you can let someone you dont even know on the net "hurt your feelings" then you are a bit too touchy. It's a tired and age old internet tactic to throw out the accusation that someone got their feelings hurt, or that someone hit a nerve, etc etc. That's juvenile, and the people that make such accusations come away with some false sense of 'having won' if they think they've "hurt some feelings". I don't get it really. With all the sniveling and whining from those that seem to have gotten their feelings hurt by my comments, or the way I made my somments about MN's, I fail to see how you could think I got my feelings hurt, but I'm sure it makes you feel superior to throw that out there.

I don't think I said "you americans". I think I said "some Americans".

I don't know where "alamamba unversity" is. That's Auburn University I have as my avatar.

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LOL, YOU sir are one of the ones I'm laughing at pimping $100 Russian Military surplus rifles!

Well, just so you know, nobody on the net is capable of hurting my feelings. If you can let someone you dont even know on the net "hurt your feelings" then you are a bit too touchy. It's a tired and age old internet tactic to throw out the accusation that someone got their feelings hurt, or that someone hit a nerve, etc etc. That's juvenile, and the people that make such accusations come away with some false sense of 'having won' if they think they've "hurt some feelings". I don't get it really. With all the sniveling and whining from those that seem to have gotten their feelings hurt by my comments, or the way I made my somments about MN's, I fail to see how you could think I got my feelings hurt, but I'm sure it makes you feel superior to throw that out there.

I don't think I said "you americans". I think I said "some Americans".

I don't know where "alamamba unversity" is. That's Auburn University I have as my avatar.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:47 AM   #138
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:25 AM   #139
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Wait a minute.

.280 have you ever fired a Mosin? Have you ever held one?
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